Liberals: Where You Went Wrong

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1. Modern Liberalism, as distinct from the Classical Liberalism of the Founders, was far from a terrible idea. They endorsed two political themes: a) democratic reforms, and b) apolitical managerial expertise.

a. From the former, progressives supported measures designed to promote more direct democratic input, such as direct election of Senators, state ballot initiatives and referenda on the recall of stated officials.

b. The latter involved ‘scientific management’ of government, putting political decision making in the hands of ostensibly apolitical bureaucrats, ‘nonpartisan’ commissions, and regulatory agencies remote from democratic accountability. And these designed to check monopolies and trusts, and regulate railroads and utilities, and favor social welfare legislation.

c. But it didn't end there.




2. For over a century the natural rights concept of the Founders, and of Abraham Lincoln, had served as the philosophical foundation for America. But, during the late 19th -early 20th centuries, what we know as ‘progressives’ repudiated the idea. A leading progressive, John Dewey: “Natural rights and natural liberties exist only in the kingdom of mythology and social zoology.” Dewey, “Liberalism and Social Action,” p. 17.

a. Charles Merriam: “The individualistic ideas of the ‘natural rights’ school of political theory, endorsed in the Revolution, are discredited and repudiated.” Merriam, “A History of American Political Theories,” p. 307.

3. Let’s be clear: the central doctrine of progressives is that government can withdraw any ‘right’ at any time, as opposed to the view that there are permanent rights founded in “nature and nature’s God.” Perhaps you recall it this way: that humans are “endowed by their Creator” with “unalienable rights.”

a. "Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523: You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.

b. In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Obama's Supreme Court Justice Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government. : "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs." WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"





4. Progressives believed that rights are relative (Dewey spoke of ‘historical relativity’) and that not just society changes, but human nature itself does; i.e., it is malleable. Compare this to the view of the Founders. The Constitution commemorates our revolution, and, as Madison states in the ‘Federalist,’ is the greatest of all reflections on human nature…human beings are not angels.”

a. Humans are not perfectible, but are capable of self government. The republican form of government presupposes this idea of humans. Our government is not a controlling government, but must itself be controlled: by the Constitution.

b. Where else do we see the progressives view? “Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1] New Soviet man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. The view is consistent today: In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.” http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____





5. Until the 1930’s, the Constitution served to check progressive’s enthusiasm. But the Imperial President, FDR, wielded enough power to make the enumerated powers merely a suggestion. New Deal Liberals “sought to regulate modern industrial organization, not by returning influence to the individual farmer, worker, or businessman, but by building a parallel capacity in the national government to regulate and direct it.”
James Piereson,”Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism,” p. 6.


6. To review…the modern liberal’s excesses include
a) the removal of natural rights,
b) the attempt to change human nature,
c) denial of the efficacy of the free market with the substitute view that good-natured bureaucrats will know how to assign economic value.
d)Further….that there is no limitation to the power of government.



I don't see any way back from this ineluctable march of totalitarianism.
 
B) The attempt to change human nature

That part you are 100% correct. Neither party seems to have a clear grasp on the reality of human nature.
 
"Classic Liberalism" - A faux term coined by conservatives includes:

1. The belief that slavery is viable industry.
2. That women should not have the right to vote.
3. That the landed white christian gentry should be the decision makers in this country.
 
The problem with Conservatives is that they are always on the wrong side of history

They opposed the American Revolution
They opposed abolition
They opposed the womens vote
They opposed worker protections
They opposed Civil Rights
They opposed environmental protections

Today, they continue the proud legacy of conservatism.....blocking gay rights, access to healthcare, immigration reform
 
The problem with Conservatives is that they are always on the wrong side of history

They opposed the American Revolution
They opposed abolition
They opposed the womens vote
They opposed worker protections
They opposed Civil Rights
They opposed environmental protections

Today, they continue the proud legacy of conservatism.....blocking gay rights, access to healthcare, immigration reform

And today, no conservative, for example, opposes the right of women to vote. At least none I can think of. What was once a divisive controversial liberal cause is now universally accepted. Why?

Because progress is human nature. Conservatives, generation by generation, routinely oppose progress; they seek to 'conserve' that which natural human progress is attempting to change.
 
Another 5 run home run from PC

Progressives are progressing to a 100% guaranteed fail state; it will collapse of its own weight like it always does and the useful idiots will be buried first and deepest

Again I fault dubya for not instituting a voter fraudproof election system and for not dismantling any of the Progressive Jihad. In fact he made it worse
 
Another 5 run home run from PC

Progressives are progressing to a 100% guaranteed fail state; it will collapse of its own weight like it always does and the useful idiots will be buried first and deepest

Again I fault dubya for not instituting a voter fraudproof election system and for not dismantling any of the Progressive Jihad. In fact he made it worse

Conservatives have been saying that for over 200 years
 
The problem with Conservatives is that they are always on the wrong side of history

They opposed the American Revolution
They opposed abolition
They opposed the womens vote
They opposed worker protections
They opposed Civil Rights
They opposed environmental protections

Today, they continue the proud legacy of conservatism.....blocking gay rights, access to healthcare, immigration reform

And today, no conservative, for example, opposes the right of women to vote. At least none I can think of. What was once a divisive controversial liberal cause is now universally accepted. Why?

Because progress is human nature. Conservatives, generation by generation, routinely oppose progress; they seek to 'conserve' that which natural human progress is attempting to change.
One of the things the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood hates most is the woman's right to vote and they would get rid of it in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it!

August 8, 2008
RUSH: Now we're told the night Hillary speaks is the anniversary of women getting the vote, which is what started the welfare state that now strangles us, by the way. If women had never gotten the vote we wouldn't have a budget deficit, but that's another story.

"I think [women] should be armed but should not vote ... women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it ... it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, February 26, 2001.

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted."
- Ann Coulter, The Guardian, Friday 16 May 2003
 
Another 5 run home run from PC

Progressives are progressing to a 100% guaranteed fail state; it will collapse of its own weight like it always does and the useful idiots will be buried first and deepest

Again I fault dubya for not instituting a voter fraudproof election system and for not dismantling any of the Progressive Jihad. In fact he made it worse

Conservatives have been saying that for over 200 years

Progressive are not be as bright as they think they are; they advocate an economic model that is failing right now in broad daylight in Greece and Spain (25% unemployment) and has failed so totally that it has been abandoned by genuine Communists in China, Russia, Vietnam and even Cuba
 
Another 5 run home run from PC

Progressives are progressing to a 100% guaranteed fail state; it will collapse of its own weight like it always does and the useful idiots will be buried first and deepest

Again I fault dubya for not instituting a voter fraudproof election system and for not dismantling any of the Progressive Jihad. In fact he made it worse

Conservatives have been saying that for over 200 years

Progressive are not be as bright as they think they are; they advocate an economic model that is failing right now in broad daylight in Greece and Spain (25% unemployment) and has failed so totally that it has been abandoned by genuine Communists in China, Russia, Vietnam and even Cuba

Conservatives have been saying that for over 60 years
 
I love when the losing side tells the winning side what they did wrong...:eusa_eh:



Your post suggest this question: losing side of what?

1. If it is the election you refer to, it is clear that you have all the depth of wall paper.


2. If it is the America of the Founders, and Liberty itself, that is lost, and you treat it with a shrug, it is a sense of priorities that has been lost, and it is yours.
 
What are "natural rights" absent government? I don't believe they exist in the form the OP presents. Absent a government to regulate what we'd call crime, your only right, if I'm stronger than you, is to sit meekly by while I eat your kill, in hopes that I'll leave you some scraps. THAT'S Natural Law. Any other formulation has no meaning absent a government to enforce it.
 
Another 5 run home run from PC

Progressives are progressing to a 100% guaranteed fail state; it will collapse of its own weight like it always does and the useful idiots will be buried first and deepest

Again I fault dubya for not instituting a voter fraudproof election system and for not dismantling any of the Progressive Jihad. In fact he made it worse

Conservatives have been saying that for over 200 years

Progressive are not be as bright as they think they are; they advocate an economic model that is failing right now in broad daylight in Greece and Spain (25% unemployment) and has failed so totally that it has been abandoned by genuine Communists in China, Russia, Vietnam and even Cuba


Yeah...frank I wouldn't go spouting who isn't smart around here.
 
"Classic Liberalism" - A faux term coined by conservatives includes:

1. The belief that slavery is viable industry.
2. That women should not have the right to vote.
3. That the landed white christian gentry should be the decision makers in this country.

Are you seriously this uneducated? That you spout such complete nonsense?
If you were smart, you'd be ashamed and keep quiet. Maybe go read. Instead, you'll do this very embarrassing act again later.
 
I love when the losing side tells the winning side what they did wrong...:eusa_eh:


I did a big time double-take on the title.

You just can't make this stuff up.

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You have yet to prove to be astute.
This post of yours is consistent with every other one.
Same goes for you. You make a op about how liberals are dumb or how you are right using opinion and loose connect the dots.
Then spend pages insulting peoples intelligence like a wannabe elite.its really fun when you make threads on elites and do this. Oh is the hypocrisy thick on that one.

Its not as fun though when everyone has your number.
 
I love when the losing side tells the winning side what they did wrong...:eusa_eh:



Your post suggest this question: losing side of what?

1. If it is the election you refer to, it is clear that you have all the depth of wall paper.


2. If it is the America of the Founders, and Liberty itself, that is lost, and you treat it with a shrug, it is a sense of priorities that has been lost, and it is yours.

That liberty was never really there.
 

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