Liberals voice concerns about Obama

[BlackAsCoal]

I just s-o-o-o love it when I'm right.

I've been saying this since the primaries ended .. which is the same time I jumped off his bandwagon.

I suspect that he'll come up with one meanigless appointment for liberals just to shut them up .. but that won't change the direction he's going in and it won't change who he is.

Obama is a fraud .. but liberals need to look no further than in the mirror for being tricked by his mindfuck.

They defended his flip-flops with "He's only saying what he has to say to get elected" .. guess what? They were right .. only he was bullshitting them, not the right. He only said what he had to say to get the forever hapless left to vote for him.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

So now the people who were complaining that Obama was a marxist are complaining that he is too conservative.

The reason for dropping the windfall profits tax is that conditions have changed. A good leader adjusts to changing conditions.

Unlike George Bush who believes on Wednesday, what he believed on Monday, regardless of what happened on Tuesday.

You don't get it brother.

The reason for dropping the windsfall tax is because that's what he intended to do all along. He belongs to Wall Street. How is that a surprise?

What excuse did you invent for him when he started calling the bailout a "rescue plan?"

What excuse is there for FISA?

How about his right-wing cabinet .. is there a logical excuse for that?

What excuse will you invent when he doesn't come through on healthcare?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

HOLD ON ....

As I read this thread .. it's a thread where posters on the right are chastizing posters who supported OBama .. because Obama is closer to them than he appears to be to the left.

Imagine that.

Some of the celebration is coming from some of the very people who thought Obama is a marxist .. but they're celebrating because someone else got fooled?

Irrespective of what Obama is or is thought to be .. the good news here is that he is not George Bush .. and the republicans are not in control .. anywhere.

Obama is a centrist that leans to the right .. no differently than Bill Clinton .. and while I'm no fan of Bill Clinton, the good news is that he was not George Bush. I recognize it's been a while since people on the right have had any fucking thing at all to celebrate ... I feel your pain .. but c'mon, you should be happy with Obama.

 

[catzmeow]

Wow. Someone actually addressed the topic. Hell, I can't remember what I'm supposed to do it's been so long ....

I really don't care where he falls on the spectrum. He's going to President and I can only hope he does the right thing since I'm stuck with him.

I actually agree with all of the shifts in policy he has made that are listed in the article. The stuff he sold the leftwingnuts was not realistic.

Hence my relief. I was VERY concerned that he was going to endorse some left wing vision of the future, but he's apparently come into contact with reality...some changes can't be made, for very good reasons.

I wonder how much of a role the security briefings have played in his changed position on Iraq...

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Hence my relief. I was VERY concerned that he was going to endorse some left wing vision of the future, but he's apparently come into contact with reality...some changes can't be made, for very good reasons.

I wonder how much of a role the security briefings have played in his changed position on Iraq...

You don't get it either.

Americans are easy.

 

[Lycurgus]

HOLD ON ....

As I read this thread .. it's a thread where posters on the right are chastizing posters who supported OBama .. because Obama is closer to them than he appears to be to the left.

No professor, we are laughing at them because the only national pissing and moaning thus far about Obama is coming from his own party.

 

[catzmeow]

Americans are easy.

Especially the earth girls.

 

[Lycurgus]

I've been saying this since the primaries ended .. which is the same time I jumped off his bandwagon.

I suspect that he'll come up with one meanigless appointment for liberals just to shut them up .. but that won't change the direction he's going in and it won't change who he is.

Obama is a fraud .. but liberals need to look no further than in the mirror for being tricked by his mindfuck.

They defended his flip-flops with "He's only saying what he has to say to get elected" .. guess what? They were right .. only he was bullshitting them, not the right. He only said what he had to say to get the forever hapless left to vote for him.

This is interesting. Could you elaborate with some specifics?

No sarcastic teasing this time, seriously.

 

[frazzledgear]

what happened to all the brainwashed moonbats?

those hardcore lefties wouldn't be happy unless Obama socialized the entire country, threw Bush in jail and yanked our troops out of every country in the world and did away with guns and the military.

damn, guess he's not the socialist, marxist, terrorist lover you righties thought he was huh?

Oh I think Obama is very much a fan of socialism and communism -he admits the attraction it has for him in his own book. But the guy is a political realist as well. The far left accounts for a small minority in this country. If he decided to go ahead and cater to the far left because they did so much to help get him elected -he knows good and well he will end up a one-term President. He has to play his best odds -and that is making sure those in the middle of the political spectrum end up happy. He needs those in the middle now much more than he needs the much smaller numbers on the far left. Come re-election, the far left isn't going anywhere else. They still aren't going to switch sides and vote for a Republican -they are stuck with Obama. But if the much greater numbers in the middle are unhappy with Obama -they do have somewhere to go with their vote and a long history of doing just that.

If Obama were to win re-election, I think he would take a sharper turn to the left during his second term because the political incentive not to - would be gone.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

No professor, we are laughing at them because the only national pissing and moaning thus far about Obama is coming from his own party.

Too bad republicans weren't that smart .. and I don't compliment democrats often.

Too bad republicans didn't have the wisdom to criticize and jump all over Bush before he wrecked your party.

I guess republicans had to goosestep to orders not to speak ill of another republican .. that is until your party starts to implode.

 

[Lycurgus]

Too bad republicans weren't that smart .. and I don't compliment democrats often.

Too bad republicans didn't have the wisdom to criticize and jump all over Bush before he wrecked your party.

I guess republicans had to goosestep to orders not to speak ill of another republican .. that is until your party starts to implode.

I agree. However, the word "your" doesn't apply.
I am not party affiliated.

I am still interested in my question to you.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

This is interesting. Could you elaborate with some specifics?

No sarcastic teasing this time, seriously.

No problem .. I always respond civily to civil conversation.

The very moment Obama won the nomination he set his course on centrist politics and abandoned the forces that got him the nomination. That caused me to look even deeper into his politics and who he is .. and what I discovered was a guy that doesn't stand on anything other than being the president. He can easily slide between both sides of the same issue .. as can most centrists.

As I've said before, he's possibly the most calculated man in human history and thus far, his calculations have worked to near-perfection. His stand on Iraq was a calculation that allowed him to beat the most powerful political family in America in the last 40 years. It allowed him to use the antiwar movement and the left like a 2 dollar whore .. and as soon as he was done with them he left them .. not even a kiss goodbye.

Had anyone stop to take a serious look at where all the money was coming from, they would not be surprised by his sudden closeness to Wall Street. Nor would they be surprised by his all-too closeness to Israel. He is totally surrounded by Jewish politicians and operatives. Nothing "anti-semitic" about the recognition of truth.

There have been a plethora of clues as to how he intends to govern, but the music sounded so good, nobody paid attention. His capitulation on illegal government spying should have given him away .. but the music was bumpin'

His selection of Larry Summers was a boot up the ass to the mass of African-Americans who stood in long ass lines to vote for him .. and it also gave the finger to the women who supported him

His selection of Eric Holder slaps the youth element who supported him.

His selection of a total pro-war cabinet was a hard slap to the antiwar faction who drove him to the nomination.

What I discovered about Obama is that he appears to have great disdain for the left .. and a special dislike for civil rights leaders. Jesse is from Chicago, he knew that .. which is why he wants to cut his balls off. Look no further than his loss to Congressman Bobby Rush to discover why he doesn't care for civil rights leaders. His attendance at Wright's church was a calculation.

The problem Jesse would have in "cutting off his balls" is I'm not sure he has any. He does not take courageous stands .. that aren't calculations. He has a record of missing important votes or simply voting "Present."

None of this is to suggest McCain/Palin would have been any better .. they would not. However, it would have produced a divided government and McCain/Palin would have been so bumbling they wouldn't have gotten much accomplished .. which is good.

Most have no idea the proposal to pay the Georgian President one billion dollars in pay-off money .. make that, one billion tax-payer dollars in payoff money, came from Obama and Biden .. which says that Obama is going to follow the Bush Doctrine of war for pipelines and oil .. but that shouldn't have surprised anyone either given that Brezinski is his foreign policy brain .. which means, get ready for Iraqistan.

Most people don't know that Obama and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere .. Palin did not .. nor do they know they voted for the bridge to nowhere over a vitally needed bridge in New Orleans during Katrina.

Most Americans don't really pay attention to politics .. that's why we're easy to manipulate.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I agree. However, the word "your" doesn't apply.
I am not party affiliated.

I am still interested in my question to you.

My bad .. I apologize.

I answered your questions in the post before this one.

 

[catzmeow]

No problem .. I always respond civily to civil conversation.

The very moment Obama won the nomination he set his course on centrist politics and abandoned the forces that got him the nomination. That caused me to look even deeper into his politics and who he is .. and what I discovered was a guy that doesn't stand on anything other than being the president. He can easily slide between both sides of the same issue .. as can most centrists.

As I've said before, he's possibly the most calculated man in human history and thus far, his calculations have worked to near-perfection. His stand on Iraq was a calculation that allowed him to beat the most powerful political family in America in the last 40 years. It allowed him to use the antiwar movement and the left like a 2 dollar whore .. and as soon as he was done with them he left them .. not even a kiss goodbye.

Had anyone stop to take a serious look at where all the money was coming from, they would not be surprised by his sudden closeness to Wall Street. Nor would they be surprised by his all-too closeness to Israel. He is totally surrounded by Jewish politicians and operatives. Nothing "anti-semitic" about the recognition of truth.

There have been a plethora of clues as to how he intends to govern, but the music sounded so good, nobody paid attention. His capitulation on illegal government spying should have given him away .. but the music was bumpin'

His selection of Larry Summers was a boot up the ass to the mass of African-Americans who stood in long ass lines to vote for him .. and it also gave the finger to the women who supported him

His selection of Eric Holder slaps the youth element who supported him.

His selection of a total pro-war cabinet was a hard slap to the antiwar faction who drove him to the nomination.

What I discovered about Obama is that he appears to have great disdain for the left .. and a special dislike for civil rights leaders. Jesse is from Chicago, he knew that .. which is why he wants to cut his balls off. Look no further than his loss to Congressman Bobby Rush to discover why he doesn't care for civil rights leaders. His attendance at Wright's church was a calculation.

The problem Jesse would have in "cutting off his balls" is I'm not sure he has any. He does not take courageous stands .. that aren't calculations. He has a record of missing important votes or simply voting "Present."

None of this is to suggest McCain/Palin would have been any better .. they would not. However, it would have produced a divided government and McCain/Palin would have been so bumbling they wouldn't have gotten much accomplished .. which is good.

Most have no idea the proposal to pay the Georgian President one billion dollars in pay-off money .. make that, one billion tax-payer dollars in payoff money, came from Obama and Biden .. which says that Obama is going to follow the Bush Doctrine of war for pipelines and oil .. but that shouldn't have surprised anyone either given that Brezinski is his foreign policy brain .. which means, get ready for Iraqistan.

Most people don't know that Obama and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere .. Palin did not .. nor do they know they voted for the bridge to nowhere over a vitally needed bridge in New Orleans during Katrina.

Most Americans don't really pay attention to politics .. that's why we're easy to manipulate.

I actually knew most of this, having done some reading on Obama's history in Chicago politics, and how he rose through the ranks more rapidly than those who paid their dues the traditional way. Having said that, though, as a Centrist, I'm happy that he is following a more centrist path than he promised during the election, although I don't doubt it a bit that his more progressive followers will have cause to regret their glowing affection for him.

The only quibble I have with you is over Eric Holder. He is very well respected by Justice Department folks, and was a good DAG. Why do you say that his appointment is a slap to the youth element? And, who do you wish he'd proposed, instead, for this position?

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I actually knew most of this, having done some reading on Obama's history in Chicago politics, and how he rose through the ranks more rapidly than those who paid their dues the traditional way. Having said that, though, as a Centrist, I'm happy that he is following a more centrist path than he promised during the election, although I don't doubt it a bit that his more progressive followers will have cause to regret their glowing affection for him.

The only quibble I have with you is over Eric Holder. He is very well respected by Justice Department folks, and was a good DAG. Why do you say that his appointment is a slap to the youth element? And, who do you wish he'd proposed, instead, for this position?

Appointing Holder as AG is like appointing Bill Bennett.

Holder is an extreme drug warrior whoi believes that all marijuana convictions should be a felony .. as should all prostitution convictions.

America is already the greatest prison nation in human history and Holder wants to fill the prison/plantations withe evn more non-viplent minor offenders.

It's a slap in the face to the youth because more than any other segment of the population, they will pay the price for Holder's dementia.

Additionally. this is not what Obama promised when he went courting the youth. Obama said there were too many people languishing in America's prisons for non-violent crimes .. then he chooses Eric Holder, who, when he was the DA in Washington, DC, convinced the council there to implement draconian drug laws that exploded their prison system.

Holder was Deputy AG during Clinton's term and helped Clinton claim the title of the greatest incarceration president in American history.

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