Liberals still blaming Bush after 30 months and trillions, when does it stop?s

[Oddball]

Liberals still blaming Bush after 30 months and trillions, when does it stop?s


WHEN HIS DEBT IS PAID IN FULL......

The debts incurred by the foolhardiness of all the socialiatic programs from FDR forward haven't been paid for, you intellectually dishonest hack.

Nah, created by capitalist foolery, like outsourcing is a good thing, wmds!, Haliburton no-bid contracts, bail outs, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc., you lying scum bag...........

History didn't begin with GEORGE BOOOOOOOSH!, shitferbrains.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

George W. Bush left office as our economy plunged toward the brink of a depression. Bush spent money like a drunken sailor. He enacted a Medicare prescription drug program whose cost is approaching a trillion dollars without paying or budgeting for it. His Iraq adventure, a war of choice, passed the trillion-dollar mark and that tab still grows. The worst decision he made, however, was the $1.3 trillion tax cut.

The above are facts, beyond dispute – we see no facts from Bush apologists, republicans, and other on the right, merely subjective partisan opinion.

Liberals still blaming Bush after 30 months and trillions, when does it stop?s

WHEN HIS DEBT IS PAID IN FULL......

…and not by those who didn’t benefit.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The debts incurred by the foolhardiness of all the socialiatic programs from FDR forward haven't been paid for, you intellectually dishonest hack.

Nah, created by capitalist foolery, like outsourcing is a good thing, wmds!, Haliburton no-bid contracts, bail outs, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc., you lying scum bag...........

History didn't begin with GEORGE BOOOOOOOSH!, shitferbrains.

That's true!!

BUT....he's a HUGE participant in the whole....

.....MEGA-DEBT TRIP!!!!!

 

[Mustang]

As I recall, Bush (as well as many people in his administration) spent a great deal of time blaming Clinton for a lot of problems. That's pretty amazing considering how good a shape the country was in back in 2001 compared to 2009.

Bush doesn't need to worry about what Obama says. (And frankly, I don't think Obama mentions Bush by name. The president merely says he inherited the economy in this general shape.) Bush needs to worry about what other Republicans will be saying about him in years to come since you know they're not going to be willing to run on his results.

Mustang the point is the media spent 8 years attacking GWB
The GOP has no choice but to distance them selves from him, but history will prove thru 9-11, 2 bubbles, 2 recessions, neither made of his policy, 7 major hurricanes, 2 wars, that GWB did one hell of a job
Obama inherited an economy that had tarp in place as well a super majority in both the senate and the house. Dont forget tarp had over 500 billion dollars left
Instead of focusing on the problem, he focused on everything but
His "never let a crises go to waste" 1 trillion dollar failed stimulus (with tarp, he did not need") he made the federal budget much larger and created a slush fund for the his party

Look at these facts and tell me what GWB did to create this?
Iraq is over with troop levels less than 50% of what they where in 07, very limited fighting, and by years end all but gone as GWB had laid out prior to Obama's inauguration

What are you talking about? The media essentially gave Bush a pass. The first few months was a honeymoon period, and after 9-11, Bush's poll numbers were (understandably) through the roof. Even in the lead up to the attack on Iraq, virtually nobody was questioning the rationale for the war. It was shock and awe all the way. It was only when the Iraq War went south, no WMDs were found, and the debacle that was the federal response to Katrina that the press started to ask hard questions.

And you are delusional to the extreme if you think Bush did one hell of a job. Hell, Bush and Cheney are even partially to blame for Benazir Bhutto's assassination in Pakistan because they didn't demand that Musharraf provide adequate security for her.

Everything Bush touched turned to shit. He even ran the US constitution through a shredder with large scale secret wiretaps of Americans and a suspension of habeous corpus to men who were essentially kidnapped off the street all over the world and eventually tortured in other countries.

For crying out loud, they lied our country into war with Iraq over nonexistent WMD that they said they KNEW Saddam had while turning their backs on bin Laden in Afghanistan. One would be bad enough, but both? How many Americans paid for that insane choice with their lives or limbs? That's a WAY bigger deal by a factor of about a million than some president who gets a knob job from a young woman who was more than willing.

How about the 100s of billions of dollars that went to private security firms like Blackwater which at one point killed 17 civilians in Iraq. Abu Ghraib ring a bell? Talk about a recruiting tool. Then there were the billions of dollars in cash that were passed out in Iraq with no record of where it went and no accountability. In the years to come, a great number of books will be written exposing the facts that were kept secret at the time, and it's going to be a hellish series of nightmares of one exposé after another eventually.

I could go on for paragraph after paragraph, page after page. But let's stop this fiction that Bush kept us safe. He didn't on 9-11, and Bush's actions have actually put America in greater danger. And that man couldn't even go in front of the 9-11 Commission without Dick Cheney sitting next to him. That's pathetic on so many levels.

And the stimulus didn't fail. A large part of that federal money went to the states and allowed the states to retain police, fire fighters and teachers on payrolls as opposed to laying them off which is EXACTLY what they were prepared to do. And what's happening now? Public employees are being let go to the tune of 39,000 last month. That's a first salvo of what's going to happen when the stimulus runs out and federal spending is slashed.

 

[JRK]

As I recall, Bush (as well as many people in his administration) spent a great deal of time blaming Clinton for a lot of problems. That's pretty amazing considering how good a shape the country was in back in 2001 compared to 2009.

Bush doesn't need to worry about what Obama says. (And frankly, I don't think Obama mentions Bush by name. The president merely says he inherited the economy in this general shape.) Bush needs to worry about what other Republicans will be saying about him in years to come since you know they're not going to be willing to run on his results.

Mustang the point is the media spent 8 years attacking GWB
The GOP has no choice but to distance them selves from him, but history will prove thru 9-11, 2 bubbles, 2 recessions, neither made of his policy, 7 major hurricanes, 2 wars, that GWB did one hell of a job
Obama inherited an economy that had tarp in place as well a super majority in both the senate and the house. Dont forget tarp had over 500 billion dollars left
Instead of focusing on the problem, he focused on everything but
His "never let a crises go to waste" 1 trillion dollar failed stimulus (with tarp, he did not need") he made the federal budget much larger and created a slush fund for the his party

Look at these facts and tell me what GWB did to create this?
Iraq is over with troop levels less than 50% of what they where in 07, very limited fighting, and by years end all but gone as GWB had laid out prior to Obama's inauguration

What are you talking about? The media essentially gave Bush a pass. The first few months was a honeymoon period, and after 9-11, Bush's poll numbers were (understandably) through the roof. Even in the lead up to the attack on Iraq, virtually nobody was questioning the rationale for the war. It was shock and awe all the way. It was only when the Iraq War went south, no WMDs were found, and the debacle that was the federal response to Katrina that the press started to ask hard questions.

And you are delusional to the extreme if you think Bush did one hell of a job. Hell, Bush and Cheney are even partially to blame for Benazir Bhutto's assassination in Pakistan because they didn't demand that Musharraf provide adequate security for her.

Everything Bush touched turned to shit. He even ran the US constitution through a shredder with large scale secret wiretaps of Americans and a suspension of habeous corpus to men who were essentially kidnapped off the street all over the world and eventually tortured in other countries.

For crying out loud, they lied our country into war with Iraq over nonexistent WMD that they said they KNEW Saddam had while turning their backs on bin Laden in Afghanistan. One would be bad enough, but both? How many Americans paid for that insane choice with their lives or limbs? That's a WAY bigger deal by a factor of about a million than some president who gets a knob job from a young woman who was more than willing.

How about the 100s of billions of dollars that went to private security firms like Blackwater which at one point killed 17 civilians in Iraq. Abu Ghraib ring a bell? Talk about a recruiting tool. Then there were the billions of dollars in cash that were passed out in Iraq with no record of where it went and no accountability. In the years to come, a great number of books will be written exposing the facts that were kept secret at the time, and it's going to be a hellish series of nightmares of one exposé after another eventually.

I could go on for paragraph after paragraph, page after page. But let's stop this fiction that Bush kept us safe. He didn't on 9-11, and Bush's actions have actually put America in greater danger. And that man couldn't even go in front of the 9-11 Commission without Dick Cheney sitting next to him. That's pathetic on so many levels.

And the stimulus didn't fail. A large part of that federal money went to the states and allowed the states to retain police, fire fighters and teachers on payrolls as opposed to laying them off which is EXACTLY what they were prepared to do. And what's happening now? Public employees are being let go to the tune of 39,000 last month. That's a first salvo of what's going to happen when the stimulus runs out and federal spending is slashed.

A free pass?
what CBS did in 2004 was a free pass?
what CBS did in 2000 with 1 hour left to vote in Florida was a free pass?
Iraq?
the information Bush and the press was reporting on Iraq mostly came from the previous admin and the dem controlled senate in 2002
I voted for this man and would again probably
We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
what lie?
the lie above from graham?
Why does Obama continue to use the same security?
2012 Forum • Report: State Dept. extends Blackwater contract in Iraq

?

 

[JRK]

George W. Bush left office as our economy plunged toward the brink of a depression. Bush spent money like a drunken sailor. He enacted a Medicare prescription drug program whose cost is approaching a trillion dollars without paying or budgeting for it. His Iraq adventure, a war of choice, passed the trillion-dollar mark and that tab still grows. The worst decision he made, however, was the $1.3 trillion tax cut.

The above are facts, beyond dispute – we see no facts from Bush apologists, republicans, and other on the right, merely subjective partisan opinion.

Liberals still blaming Bush after 30 months and trillions, when does it stop?s

WHEN HIS DEBT IS PAID IN FULL......

…and not by those who didn’t benefit.

The tax cut?
you must not pay taxes, it saved me 30,000 that I have put back into our economy
dipute?
what facts?
GWB had a liberal democratic congress in 07-08

the budget was within 162 billion of being even wit the last GOP budget
Now we have more deficit in 09-10 than we did from 02-08

GWB should have added enough tax on an item that everyone would have to pay for the wars
His Medicare reform should have had an increase in that tax
without 9-11
none of this was needed

 

[Wry Catcher]

Mustang the point is the media spent 8 years attacking GWB
The GOP has no choice but to distance them selves from him, but history will prove thru 9-11, 2 bubbles, 2 recessions, neither made of his policy, 7 major hurricanes, 2 wars, that GWB did one hell of a job
Obama inherited an economy that had tarp in place as well a super majority in both the senate and the house. Dont forget tarp had over 500 billion dollars left
Instead of focusing on the problem, he focused on everything but
His "never let a crises go to waste" 1 trillion dollar failed stimulus (with tarp, he did not need") he made the federal budget much larger and created a slush fund for the his party

Look at these facts and tell me what GWB did to create this?
Iraq is over with troop levels less than 50% of what they where in 07, very limited fighting, and by years end all but gone as GWB had laid out prior to Obama's inauguration

What are you talking about? The media essentially gave Bush a pass. The first few months was a honeymoon period, and after 9-11, Bush's poll numbers were (understandably) through the roof. Even in the lead up to the attack on Iraq, virtually nobody was questioning the rationale for the war. It was shock and awe all the way. It was only when the Iraq War went south, no WMDs were found, and the debacle that was the federal response to Katrina that the press started to ask hard questions.

And you are delusional to the extreme if you think Bush did one hell of a job. Hell, Bush and Cheney are even partially to blame for Benazir Bhutto's assassination in Pakistan because they didn't demand that Musharraf provide adequate security for her.

Everything Bush touched turned to shit. He even ran the US constitution through a shredder with large scale secret wiretaps of Americans and a suspension of habeous corpus to men who were essentially kidnapped off the street all over the world and eventually tortured in other countries.

For crying out loud, they lied our country into war with Iraq over nonexistent WMD that they said they KNEW Saddam had while turning their backs on bin Laden in Afghanistan. One would be bad enough, but both? How many Americans paid for that insane choice with their lives or limbs? That's a WAY bigger deal by a factor of about a million than some president who gets a knob job from a young woman who was more than willing.

How about the 100s of billions of dollars that went to private security firms like Blackwater which at one point killed 17 civilians in Iraq. Abu Ghraib ring a bell? Talk about a recruiting tool. Then there were the billions of dollars in cash that were passed out in Iraq with no record of where it went and no accountability. In the years to come, a great number of books will be written exposing the facts that were kept secret at the time, and it's going to be a hellish series of nightmares of one exposé after another eventually.

I could go on for paragraph after paragraph, page after page. But let's stop this fiction that Bush kept us safe. He didn't on 9-11, and Bush's actions have actually put America in greater danger. And that man couldn't even go in front of the 9-11 Commission without Dick Cheney sitting next to him. That's pathetic on so many levels.

And the stimulus didn't fail. A large part of that federal money went to the states and allowed the states to retain police, fire fighters and teachers on payrolls as opposed to laying them off which is EXACTLY what they were prepared to do. And what's happening now? Public employees are being let go to the tune of 39,000 last month. That's a first salvo of what's going to happen when the stimulus runs out and federal spending is slashed.

A free pass?
what CBS did in 2004 was a free pass?
what CBS did in 2000 with 1 hour left to vote in Florida was a free pass?
Iraq?
the information Bush and the press was reporting on Iraq mostly came from the previous admin and the dem controlled senate in 2002
I voted for this man and would again probably
We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
what lie?
the lie above from graham?
Why does Obama continue to use the same security?
2012 Forum • Report: State Dept. extends Blackwater contract in Iraq

?

JRK is challenged by reality. GWB was both incompetent and foolish and the harm lives on that he and Cheney perpetrated on our country. Whether he could have prevented the WTC attack is open to debate, surely evidence suggests he was less than diligent as one might have expected given the attack on Cole a frew short months before he took the oath of office.

Bush was supported by the anti-tax crowd and his first act after 'appointment' as Commander-in-Chief was to claim our economy was in trouble and offer tax cuts as the fix. His tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 coincided with and combined with the invasion and occupation of Iraq would have created a fiscal crisis alone, but his failure to act on the housing crisis of which he was aware created the perfect storm which hit our economy in 2008.

JRK can pretend all he wants that it's all Obama's fault. But that's a lie and not a very good one.

 

[Kuros]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

 

[JRK]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

Why do you think they should be repealed?
do you pay income tax?
did you pay income tax in the year 2000?

It has made over 30,000 dollars difference in my paycheck which has been used to create jobs
these jobs
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

 

[JRK]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

I also have issue with your "CBO" graph
not sure where that came from
The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog


this graph is real and shows tax cuts what they really have done/impacted the deficit

 

[8537]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

Why do you think they should be repealed?
do you pay income tax?
did you pay income tax in the year 2000?

It has made over 30,000 dollars difference in my paycheck which has been used to create jobs
these jobs
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

I hope you're awfully proud of a decade of zero net job growth in the aughts.

Nevermind that 16-19 million were created in each of the previous three decades.

 

[Article 15]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

Why do you think they should be repealed?
do you pay income tax?
did you pay income tax in the year 2000?

It has made over 30,000 dollars difference in my paycheck which has been used to create jobs
these jobs
2003...... 129,999 108,416 21,816 572 6,735 14,510
2004...... 131,435 109,814 21,882 591 6,976 14,315
2005...... 133,703 111,899 22,190 628 7,336 14,226
2006...... 136,086 114,113 22,531 684 7,691 14,155
2007...... 137,598 115,380 22,233 724 7,630 13,879
2008...... 136,790 114,281 21,334 767 7,162 13,406
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt

As the board discovered the other day, you aren't even remotely qualified to discuss tax policy.

 

[Kuros]

when is the liberal going to join forces and put a stop to this failing administration and ut a stop to the blame GWB world?

When the Bush tax cuts end or are finally repealed.

I also have issue with your "CBO" graph
not sure where that came from
The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog


this graph is real and shows tax cuts what they really have done/impacted the deficit

Yes, the Bush tax cuts are in full effect. Hence, to get the modern deficit bulge, you add Bush tax cuts + Bush's wars + Obama's Afghanistan War + Bush/Obama TARP + Obama Stimulus spending + economic downturn (Bush) =

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Never.

You know what amazes me?
Bush did ok, he really did
We should have looked at adding a tax to the something to pay for the wars. To be taken off immediately when they were over (like now for Iraq)
I also think we should have looked harder at the hole his mediacre reform
GWB had great plans
9-11 changed those plans and the media as well the libs pretend it does not exist

Are you serious??

First off. GWB is a criminal. The occupation of Iraq was unjust, right along with the war in Afghanistan. If anything, GWB and his "team" need to be brought to trial on war crimes at the very least. His manipulation of the justice department, science, hoodwinking the American public, etc..etc..etc..would be an added bonus.

 

[JRK]

Never.

You know what amazes me?
Bush did ok, he really did
We should have looked at adding a tax to the something to pay for the wars. To be taken off immediately when they were over (like now for Iraq)
I also think we should have looked harder at the hole his mediacre reform
GWB had great plans
9-11 changed those plans and the media as well the libs pretend it does not exist

Are you serious??

First off. GWB is a criminal. The occupation of Iraq was unjust, right along with the war in Afghanistan. If anything, GWB and his "team" need to be brought to trial on war crimes at the very least. His manipulation of the justice department, science, hoodwinking the American public, etc..etc..etc..would be an added bonus.

what about these people then?
it was there 8 years of intel we used for the most part to determine the things we did
One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by: -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

what do you think?
get these also?