Liberals Have Gone Mad

[miketx]

What else is there to say about Liberals?

- They're arguing saving 1100 jobs for middle class Americans was wrong.
- They're spending millions on a pointless recount. Of course they're hiding behind Jill Stein and only recounting states Hillary lost.
- They're hijacking Vice-President Elect Mike Pence at show.
- They're doubling down on a guy wearing a Fidel Castro shirt and trying to tell us why Castro is better than Trump.
- They're attacking Trump's 10 year old son.
- They're burning flags and wearing safety pins.
- The voted for Nancy Pelosi again who has presided over all their losses.

All this in less than a month. And these Liberals wonder why America voted them out of the White House, Senate and House.

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Gone "Made"

Libtard ROE


1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth you are objecting to.

2. Promptly reject all explanations as right wing lies.

3. Ignore any facts presented.

4. Ridicule spelling and typos.

5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", question their education, intelligence.

6. Employ misdirection, smear people, attack religion

7. Lie, make false assumptions

8. Play race/gender card

9. Play gay/lesbian card

10. Play the Nazi card

11. Make up stuff

12. Deny constantly

13. Reword and repeat

He's right though. You all are mad, if not liars.

 

[beagle9]

Carrier reminds me of the Atlanta Braves, who told Atlanta that if they didn't build them a new free stadium, they would move to Cobb County, Georgia. The difference is that Atlanta was run by businessmen who were not interested in shaking down the taxpayers, so they told the Braves not to let the screen door hit them in the ass on their way out of town.

. Bad analogy, but you probably know that.. Grab at them straws, maybe you will find one but it's doubtful.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Carrier reminds me of the Atlanta Braves, who told Atlanta that if they didn't build them a new free stadium, they would move to Cobb County, Georgia. The difference is that Atlanta was run by businessmen who were not interested in shaking down the taxpayers, so they told the Braves not to let the screen door hit them in the ass on their way out of town.

. Bad analogy, but you probably know that.. Grab at them straws, maybe you will find one but it's doubtful.

Nope. Perfect analogy. In both cases, a wealthy private business wanted individual taxpayers to bribe them to remain in their area, so that others select few can profit. In Atlanta, they told them for fuck off. Trump said to Carrier, "I feel your pain. Here is a lot of taxpayer money for you."

 

[beagle9]

Carrier reminds me of the Atlanta Braves, who told Atlanta that if they didn't build them a new free stadium, they would move to Cobb County, Georgia. The difference is that Atlanta was run by businessmen who were not interested in shaking down the taxpayers, so they told the Braves not to let the screen door hit them in the ass on their way out of town.

. Bad analogy, but you probably know that.. Grab at them straws, maybe you will find one but it's doubtful.

Nope. Perfect analogy. In both cases, a wealthy private business wanted individual taxpayers to bribe them to remain in their area, so that others select few can profit. In Atlanta, they told them for fuck off. Trump said to Carrier, "I feel your pain. Here is a lot of taxpayer money for you."

 

[EverCurious]

Don't have the actual numbers but this is just an example of the stupid being displayed in this thread:

Taxes LOST if Carrier leaves = $17,000,000
Dealmakers for state say to Carrier: "We'll give you $7,000,000 off taxes over the next 10 years if you stay.
End result taxes GAINED by deal $10,000,000

Folks with zero clue what they're talking about: "State PAID them $7,000,000 to stay!!!"

Business people the world over: "..."

 

[Vandalshandle]

Don't have the actual numbers but this is just an example of the stupid being displayed in this thread:

Taxes LOST if Carrier leaves = $17,000,000
Dealmakers for state say to Carrier: "We'll give you $7,000,000 off taxes over the next 10 years if you stay.
End result taxes GAINED by deal $10,000,000

Folks with zero clue what they're talking about: "State PAID them $7,000,000 to stay!!!"

Business people the world over: "..."

I don't think that math is your strong subject, EC. 700 jobs saves does not =$17,000,000 in taxes. Stick to parroting proof of Trump's divinity.

 

[EverCurious]

I'm agnostic.

The point is that the state stood to lose 17,000,000 (or whatever again I didn't dig up the actual numbers)

They decided to give up some in order to keep most. It's called a negotiation, also known as bartering. In fact, you can still do this yourself at most small businesses in the country. In bartering, the business owner decides that they can cut the price in order to make a sale. It is a common practice in business, municipalities, states, and federal deals the world over. I'm sorry you've never heard of it, but I'm happy to have had this opportunity to tell you a little about how the real world works. Go to your local small business and see if they're willing to barter, I'll save you some money. (Note doesn't work in big box stores you have to shop local.)

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm agnostic.

The point is that the state stood to lose 17,000,000 (or whatever again I didn't dig up the actual numbers)

They decided to give up some in order to keep most. It's called a negotiation, also known as bartering. In fact, you can still do this yourself at most small businesses in the country. In bartering, the business owner decides that they can cut the price in order to make a sale. It is a common practice in business, municipalities, states, and federal deals the world over. I'm sorry you've never heard of it, but I'm happy to have had this opportunity to tell you a little about how the real world works. Go to your local small business and see if they're willing to barter, I'll save you some money. (Note doesn't work in big box stores you have to shop local.)

You call it negotiation. I call it corporate welfare, and when the government decided to give company A a pass in taxes, you can be assured that the other companies in the state will be forming a line behind them asking for their share. They would be fools not to. Meantime, the citizens will end up making up the difference on April 15 out of their own pockets, while the uninsureds and unemployed go without, due to budget cuts. Then,. as soon as the tax breaks expire, Carrier will be back with their hand outstretched demanding more. So, Carrier, which is part of a multibillion dollar enterprise, wins. and private citizens and the needy lose. Hurray for croney capitalism! It completely bypasses the invisible hand of economics, and changes it to survival of the richest and most powerful! The whole thing practically begs companies to threaten to leave the US.

 

[Onyx]

Lower the artificial barriers of entry so more companies can compete. This solves unemployment, offshoring, and low wages.

 

[EverCurious]

Vandalshandle You're welcome to have your [socialist colored] take on it. Those of us in the business world look at the reality that /they/ are actually dealing with.

Government taxes and regulations have made business in America non-competitive in a global market economy. Business folks and workers all over the country have been complaining about this for decades. Enough people finally became aware of the root problem to stand up and vote.

That is where we are now. Trump will attempt to drop the corporate taxes, he will attempt to strip away regulations that hamper business investment in the US.

 

[EverCurious]

If you are serious about learning about global competitiveness and business outlooks toward countries they might invest in, I highly recommend this site, they are non-partisan and have been surveying actual business people, large and small, the world over since 1971 to produce reports on all manner of business concerns. Probably the foremost repository of business information out there, with thousands of reports and white papers from the people who actually run the businesses, it covers a massive breadth of business opinions and desires as well as their concerns that infulence their decisions as to where to invest (aka where to base their businesses etc.)

Here's a quick primer on their annual "Global Competitiveness Report for 2016-2017): The Global Competitiveness Report 2016–2017

"Despite being in the top 10 best-ranked economies and recent positive news from the Current Population Report 2016 showing recovering income growth across all income groups, the United States does not rank in the top 10 on any of the basic requirements pillars (institutions, infrastructure, macroeconomic environment, health and primary education). On the efficiency enhancers subindex, it is not within the top 10 on goods market efficiency or technological adoption. The position of the United States is driven by innovation, business sophistication, market size, financial market development, labor market efficiency, and higher education and training. These findings highlight important challenges if the country is to remain in the top 10 over the long term, and possible bottlenecks indicating the supply-side constraints that are holding back progress and reducing the effectiveness of monetary policy for jump-starting growth"

- (Where America stands): Country/Economy profiles

(Along with the snapshot chart of "Most problematic factors for doing business" in the US, scrolling down, you can expand the "pillars" and see where the US is having trouble and where we are doing well compared to other countries businesses might chose to invest in.)

Recommend digging around in their "Reports" section, so much information...

 

[Vandalshandle]

Vandalshandle You're welcome to have your [socialist colored] take on it. Those of us in the business world look at the reality that /they/ are actually dealing with.

Government taxes and regulations have made business in America non-competitive in a global market economy. Business folks and workers all over the country have been complaining about this for decades. Enough people finally became aware of the root problem to stand up and vote.

That is where we are now. Trump will attempt to drop the corporate taxes, he will attempt to strip away regulations that hamper business investment in the US.

Having spent all my working years as a republican, and as an executive of health insurance companies, I am very much aware of how business works. For example, when I started my career in health insurance in 1966 there were exactly 1950 health insurance companies in America. Today, there are less than 200, and none of them are small local companies, like they were in 1966.. United Healthcare alone brings in almost $200,000,000 per year in revenue. Trump loves big business, and is in bed with them, because they all dominate the playing field and buy what they want from politicians. It is a beautiful codependent relationship. Small companies with no clout are forced to merge, sell, or fold, while Carrier gets tax breaks.This is not free enterprise. It is not even free capitalism. It is crony capitalism, and is why the pharmacy industry has managed to make itself the only industry that the US government buys from, without having the legal right to negotiate prices. Obviously, you feel that if the government does not have the right to play favorites with the business world, then, you call that socialism; and incredibly enough, tell me that I don't understand why government needs to artificially jack around with private enterprise. You are partly right. One of us needs to go back to school, and since I already have a BBA in management, it isn't me.

 

[EverCurious]

Negotiations between the state and company. Such "deals" are struck every time they accept a bid from someone to work on x or y project. You're objecting to this based on a political ideology. That has no relationship to the specific deal that was made between the state and the company. As I said, you are free to your opinions.

The state cut them a tax deal in order to keep them, regardless of your take on the politics of it, it is obvious that the state felt it was better to retain them than to let them leave so they made the deal. States rights. And frankly it was a good deal for the state, as noted by the numbers given in this thread. Take some rather than lose all, it's a pretty simple concept.

 

[HenryBHough]

Gone "Made"

That's the feminine form of "Mad". Appropriate since they're all now pussies.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Negotiations between the state and company. Such "deals" are struck every time they accept a bid from someone to work on x or y project. You're objecting to this based on a political ideology. That has no relationship to the specific deal that was made between the state and the company. As I said, you are free to your opinions.

The state cut them a tax deal in order to keep them, regardless of your take on the politics of it, it is obvious that the state felt it was better to retain them than to let them leave so they made the deal. States rights. And frankly it was a good deal for the state, as noted by the numbers given in this thread. Take some rather than lose all, it's a pretty simple concept.

And the people of Indiana deserve the government that they elected, and the taxes that they will have to make up out of their own pockets to cover the crony capitalism engineered by Trump with their money, while Carrier is laughing at the whole thing, and planning for their next threat to move out of the state when the tax cuts expire, and Trump struts around like the working man's savior while 700 low skilled workers have basically become welfare queens, supported by the taxpayers of Indiana.

 

[EverCurious]

I've tried to be patient, but you've worn that thread out. There's no money coming out of their pockets you moron.

The company would have left and there would be 0 taxes coming in from the business.

Instead the state will make some tax income off the business, as well as the employees keeping their jobs.

It's a win/win for the state.