CDZ Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the sam

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Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the same.

They throw us all in the same pot and call us "RWNJ's" and "American Taliban" and other kooky names like that.

The fact is, there are perhaps a dozen kinds of conservatives, and that does not even include moderates, libertarians, independents, Tea Party types, and neo-conservatives, none of whom are really conservatives in the classic sense of the word.

And then there's the so-called "alt-right" and I'm not really sure they're really conservatives either.

To me, a conservative is a person who is, in general, well educated, almost always of the Christian faith but sometimes Jewish, and has certain viewpoints on the relationship between man and God, man and man, and man and government. The fundamental principle is the respect for the rights of the individual, including his rights to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, right to bear arms, free from unreasonable searches and seizures, privacy of his personal papers, right to own property including land and the means of production, and a host of other rights enumerated in the Constitution, or granted in natural law by our Creator.

The conservative believes that inequality in the law based on race is always wrong, whether it be white oppression of blacks, or blacks getting special treatment over whites. Conservatives have always been consistent in opposing slavery, opposing the KKK, opposing the Jim Crow laws, and opposing Affirmative Action and racial quotas.

The conservative believes that the right to own property, including land and the means of production, is just as fundamental as all the other rights, and just as essential because a man without the right to use his property as he sees fit is nothing but a slave to the whims of the state.

Beyond that, there are differences in conservatives, which is more a difference in emphasis rather than real disagreements.

A social conservative believes that social issues are also fundamental, and opposes abortion-on-demand, the radical homosexual agenda, and baseness in our culture because he believes that the society as a whole is being harmed by these things. Also, with the abortion issue, it is literally a matter of life and death. Most social conservatives believe the fetus is a human being with all the rights the Creator has granted to human beings, including the fundamental right to life.

A fiscal conservative believes that government should balance the budget and control spending, as a matter of moral principle not just a matter of good policy. Some fiscal conservatives are also social conservatives, some care less about social issues, or not at all.

A foreign policy conservative believes the United States is a force of good in the world, and should use that power to defend American interests abroad, and form alliances with friendly nations. A foreign policy conservative is very supportive of a strong defense and the military. A foreign policy conservative is NOT the same as a neo-conservative, and may be very opposed to neo-conservative goals.

A law and order conservative believes that enforcement of the laws are important, especially drug laws, since drugs have a proven harmful effect on society and young people in particular. Law and order conservatives are very supportive of the police and the FBI.

A civil rights oriented conservative is less interested in enforcing the laws, but more interested in protecting individuals from police and prosecutors, who are prone to overstep their authority in their zeal to prosecute those accused of crime. Conservatives of this type view police and prosecutors with the same level of suspicion as other conservatives view any bureaucrat.
 
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Personally, I think non-conservatives don't think all conservatives are the same. I think instead that the problem is that there is currently a maniac leading the conservative movement and that scares people.
 
Look at how the CON$ who don't CONFORM to supporting Trump's Trumpery are viciously attacked by the conforming CON$.
 
Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the same.

They throw us all in the same pot and call us "RWNJ's" and "American Taliban" and other kooky names like that.

The fact is, there are perhaps a dozen kinds of conservatives, and that does not even include moderates, libertarians, independents, Tea Party types, and neo-conservatives, none of whom are really conservatives in the classic sense of the word.

And then there's the so-called "alt-right" and I'm not really sure they're really conservatives either.

To me, a conservative is a person who is, in general, well educated, almost always of the Christian faith but sometimes Jewish, and has certain viewpoints on the relationship between man and God, man and man, and man and government. The fundamental principle is the respect for the rights of the individual, including his rights to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, right to bear arms, free from unreasonable searches and seizures, privacy of his personal papers, right to own property including land and the means of production, and a host of other rights enumerated in the Constitution, or granted in natural law by our Creator.

The conservative believes that inequality in the law based on race is always wrong, whether it be white oppression of blacks, or blacks getting special treatment over whites. Conservatives have always been consistent in opposing slavery, opposing the KKK, opposing the Jim Crow laws, and opposing Affirmative Action and racial quotas.

The conservative believes that the right to own property, including land and the means of production, is just as fundamental as all the other rights, and just as essential because a man without the right to use his property as he sees fit is nothing but a slave to the whims of the state.

Beyond that, there are differences in conservatives, which is more a difference in emphasis rather than real disagreements.

A social conservative believes that social issues are also fundamental, and opposes abortion-on-demand, the radical homosexual agenda, and baseness in our culture because he believes that the society as a whole is being harmed by these things. Also, with the abortion issue, it is literally a matter of life and death. Most social conservatives believe the fetus is a human being with all the rights the Creator has granted to human beings, including the fundamental right to life.

A fiscal conservative believes that government should balance the budget and control spending, as a matter of moral principle not just a matter of good policy. Some fiscal conservatives are also social conservatives, some care less about social issues, or not at all.

A foreign policy conservative believes the United States is a force of good in the world, and should use that power to defend American interests abroad, and form alliances with friendly nations. A foreign policy conservative is very supportive of a strong defense and the military. A foreign policy conservative is NOT the same as a neo-conservative, and may be very opposed to neo-conservative goals.

A law and order conservative believes that enforcement of the laws are important, especially drug laws, since drugs have a proven harmful effect on society and young people in particular. Law and order conservatives are very supportive of the police and the FBI.

A civil rights oriented conservative is less interested in enforcing the laws, but more interested in protecting individuals from police and prosecutors, who are prone to overstep their authority in their zeal to prosecute those accused of crime. Conservatives of this type view police and prosecutors with the same level of suspicion as other conservatives view any bureaucrat.
Wait...did you just lump all Liberals together in your first sentence? :lol: :lol: :lol: You did!
 
Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the same..

You are so amazingly delusional- again.

Most Conservatives are actually rational- unlike you.

And most don't live their lives in fear- unlike you.
 
Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the same.

They throw us all in the same pot and call us "RWNJ's" and "American Taliban" and other kooky names like that.

The fact is, there are perhaps a dozen kinds of conservatives, and that does not even include moderates, libertarians, independents, Tea Party types, and neo-conservatives, none of whom are really conservatives in the classic sense of the word.

And then there's the so-called "alt-right" and I'm not really sure they're really conservatives either.

To me, a conservative is a person who is, in general, well educated, almost always of the Christian faith but sometimes Jewish, and has certain viewpoints on the relationship between man and God, man and man, and man and government. The fundamental principle is the respect for the rights of the individual, including his rights to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, right to bear arms, free from unreasonable searches and seizures, privacy of his personal papers, right to own property including land and the means of production, and a host of other rights enumerated in the Constitution, or granted in natural law by our Creator.

The conservative believes that inequality in the law based on race is always wrong, whether it be white oppression of blacks, or blacks getting special treatment over whites. Conservatives have always been consistent in opposing slavery, opposing the KKK, opposing the Jim Crow laws, and opposing Affirmative Action and racial quotas.

The conservative believes that the right to own property, including land and the means of production, is just as fundamental as all the other rights, and just as essential because a man without the right to use his property as he sees fit is nothing but a slave to the whims of the state.

Beyond that, there are differences in conservatives, which is more a difference in emphasis rather than real disagreements.

A social conservative believes that social issues are also fundamental, and opposes abortion-on-demand, the radical homosexual agenda, and baseness in our culture because he believes that the society as a whole is being harmed by these things. Also, with the abortion issue, it is literally a matter of life and death. Most social conservatives believe the fetus is a human being with all the rights the Creator has granted to human beings, including the fundamental right to life.

A fiscal conservative believes that government should balance the budget and control spending, as a matter of moral principle not just a matter of good policy. Some fiscal conservatives are also social conservatives, some care less about social issues, or not at all.

A foreign policy conservative believes the United States is a force of good in the world, and should use that power to defend American interests abroad, and form alliances with friendly nations. A foreign policy conservative is very supportive of a strong defense and the military. A foreign policy conservative is NOT the same as a neo-conservative, and may be very opposed to neo-conservative goals.

A law and order conservative believes that enforcement of the laws are important, especially drug laws, since drugs have a proven harmful effect on society and young people in particular. Law and order conservatives are very supportive of the police and the FBI.

A civil rights oriented conservative is less interested in enforcing the laws, but more interested in protecting individuals from police and prosecutors, who are prone to overstep their authority in their zeal to prosecute those accused of crime. Conservatives of this type view police and prosecutors with the same level of suspicion as other conservatives view any bureaucrat.
Wait...did you just lump all Liberals together in your first sentence? :lol: :lol: :lol: You did!

Yep- lol.

And attacked us all for thinking all Conservatives are the same!

LOL
 
The following are NOT conservatives in the classic sense:

Neo-conservatives are liberals who believe that American military force should be used to impose the democratic form of government on nations after their governments have been overthrown. I believe this philosophy has been discredited by the American experience in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Tea Party believed in limited government, responsible government spending, and opposed Obamacare, which are conservative impulses. However, the Tea Party lacked the organization and sophistication that conservatives bring to their endeavors, which is why they were such a flash-in-the-pan. It was a grassroots movement of ordinary Americans, without any real leadership that could sustain it and give it direction.

Libertarians are not conservatives because they believe that the freedom of the individual is unbound by even moral restrictions imposed by God. That is why a libertarian could not come up with a reason why a woman should not be allowed to make her living as a prostitute, why a man should not be allowed to sell his own body organs, or why a man should not be allowed to sell himself into slavery.

Moderates are not conservatives because, in fact, moderates have no principles they live by other than to win elections. Moderates tend to be useless since they quickly cave in to Democratic demands because they are afraid of being criticized by the Democratic controlled mainstream media.

Independents is a catch-all term that might apply to anyone who is not a member of the Republican or Democratic party. An independent could be a conservative, but might be a moderate, a liberal, or anything else.
 
Trump is not a conservative and he does not lead the conservative movement. He has temporarily captured the Republican Party, but it is more a hostile takeover than a real change in what the Republican Party stands for. If Trump loses the election, his influence will be quickly purged.
 
To me, a conservative is a person who is, in general, well educated, almost always of the Christian faith but sometimes Jewish,.
Wow- occasionally Jews can be Conservative!

I guess its like Blackrook's country club.
 
Liberals don't understand how diverse the conservative movement is, and they think we're all the same.

They throw us all in the same pot and call us "RWNJ's" and "American Taliban" and other kooky names like that.

The fact is, there are perhaps a dozen kinds of conservatives, and that does not even include moderates, libertarians, independents, Tea Party types, and neo-conservatives, none of whom are really conservatives in the classic sense of the word.

And then there's the so-called "alt-right" and I'm not really sure they're really conservatives either.

To me, a conservative is a person who is, in general, well educated, almost always of the Christian faith but sometimes Jewish, and has certain viewpoints on the relationship between man and God, man and man, and man and government. The fundamental principle is the respect for the rights of the individual, including his rights to freedom of speech, freedom of worship, right to bear arms, free from unreasonable searches and seizures, privacy of his personal papers, right to own property including land and the means of production, and a host of other rights enumerated in the Constitution, or granted in natural law by our Creator.

The conservative believes that inequality in the law based on race is always wrong, whether it be white oppression of blacks, or blacks getting special treatment over whites. Conservatives have always been consistent in opposing slavery, opposing the KKK, opposing the Jim Crow laws, and opposing Affirmative Action and racial quotas.

The conservative believes that the right to own property, including land and the means of production, is just as fundamental as all the other rights, and just as essential because a man without the right to use his property as he sees fit is nothing but a slave to the whims of the state.

Beyond that, there are differences in conservatives, which is more a difference in emphasis rather than real disagreements.

A social conservative believes that social issues are also fundamental, and opposes abortion-on-demand, the radical homosexual agenda, and baseness in our culture because he believes that the society as a whole is being harmed by these things. Also, with the abortion issue, it is literally a matter of life and death. Most social conservatives believe the fetus is a human being with all the rights the Creator has granted to human beings, including the fundamental right to life.

A fiscal conservative believes that government should balance the budget and control spending, as a matter of moral principle not just a matter of good policy. Some fiscal conservatives are also social conservatives, some care less about social issues, or not at all.

A foreign policy conservative believes the United States is a force of good in the world, and should use that power to defend American interests abroad, and form alliances with friendly nations. A foreign policy conservative is very supportive of a strong defense and the military. A foreign policy conservative is NOT the same as a neo-conservative, and may be very opposed to neo-conservative goals.

A law and order conservative believes that enforcement of the laws are important, especially drug laws, since drugs have a proven harmful effect on society and young people in particular. Law and order conservatives are very supportive of the police and the FBI.

A civil rights oriented conservative is less interested in enforcing the laws, but more interested in protecting individuals from police and prosecutors, who are prone to overstep their authority in their zeal to prosecute those accused of crime. Conservatives of this type view police and prosecutors with the same level of suspicion as other conservatives view any bureaucrat.
The country is harmed way, way, way, way more by so called Conservatism than by the made up so called radical gay agenda. Conservatives have damaged every aspect of American foreign and domestic policy. Society is divided because of their racism and phobias. They have damaged America's acceptance of science and education. And Donald Trump is the outcome of what they have done and who they are. Believe it.
 
Conservatives are very diverse. On one extreme, you have racist homophobes, and on the other extreme you have homophobic racists.
 
I would usually not concern myself with these trollish responses, but this is CDZ. If you keep it up, I'm just going to put you on ignore.
 
Of course, every one of this diverse community of Conservatism is totally convinced that his (or her) brand of Conservatism is the 'One True Conservatism', and all other stripes are imposters.
Rooky clearly displays this religious delusion.
And other Religious Delusions as well....
 
I would usually not concern myself with these trollish responses, but this is CDZ. If you keep it up, I'm just going to put you on ignore.
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No Please, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!

The truth is the country has been terribly damaged by conservatism. Like I said, conservatives have damaged every aspect of American foreign and domestic policy. Society is divided because of their racism and phobias. They have damaged America's acceptance of science and education. And Donald Trump is the outcome of what they have done and who they are. You only need to look at Reagan, then Bush then disastrous Bush and now Trump. We are only just recovering from Bush Jr. We might need another decade or two after the damage to the country and the world the GOP did under Bush Jr.
 
Trump is not a conservative and he does not lead the conservative movement. He has temporarily captured the Republican Party, but it is more a hostile takeover than a real change in what the Republican Party stands for. If Trump loses the election, his influence will be quickly purged.
Trump is where conservatism leads, whatever the good intentions.
 

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