Liberals, do you side with Barack Obama or Noam Chomsky?

Do you agree with Chomsky or Obama?

  • Obama, assasinating terror suspects is best.

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • Chomsky, assasinating terror suspects is worse than torturing them.

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • Total voters
    5

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Chomsky takes Obama to task | Cian Murphy | Law | guardian.co.uk

Chomsky was speaking at the launch of a new academic journal, State Crime, and was referring to the increasingly controversial US tactic of assassination of al-Qaida leaders and associated individuals. For Chomsky, this practice goes far beyond what he called the Bush administration's 'kidnapping' to Guantanamo Bay. The current strategy is, he claimed, developing into a 'massive global assassination campaign'.
 
I'm afraid I have a hard time getting upset about dead terrorists who hide beyond our ability to bring them to justice in conventional ways. I agree that killing that traitorous shithead was not strictly legal or the way anyone would have preferred but having a guy like that in the cross hairs and just letting them go is not something most people could have done. Chomsky is alright I guess but philosophers bore me to tears, I have my own very pragmatic philosophy, what use do I have for someone else's?
 
I'm afraid I have a hard time getting upset about dead terrorists who hide beyond our ability to bring them to justice in conventional ways. I agree that killing that traitorous shithead was not strictly legal or the way anyone would have preferred but having a guy like that in the cross hairs and just letting them go is not something most people could have done. Chomsky is alright I guess but philosophers bore me to tears, I have my own very pragmatic philosophy, what use do I have for someone else's?

Chomsky is -not- a philosopher you fucking nitwit. He is a linguist and a historian, which is far from philosophy.

You poor uneducated fool. Want a good read?
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Power-Indispensable-Chomsky-Noam/dp/1565847032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326240981&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky (9781565847033): Noam Chomsky, John Schoeffel, Peter Mitchell: Books[/ame]

Best 15$ you will ever spend in your life. Keep you from looking like a dummy on political forums.
 
The name calling really does not help whatever case you are trying to make, I've read Chomsky, you may not call him a philosopher but his writings damn sure read like philosophical ramblings rather than any kind of real life guide to leading stupid ass humans.
 
Doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, check it out ...

That black squatter sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom did what the impotent little Bush-Baby couldn't - He killed bin Laden and never lost an American life. He did it again in Libya. While the pubs were creaming their jeans over their token black who didn't even know that Libya is a country, our president (that black guy who runs rings around the pubs) teamed up with others on the same side and killed Gaddafi while the orange guy was playing golf. In between times, he has wiped out more Taliban and a quaeda leaders and deported more illegal aliens than any other president, AND, in his spare times, he shoots some mean hoops AND has created and/or saved in excess of THREE MILLION JOBS.

All this while you repubs are giving more money to the 1% and getting all kinds of hard for a truly disgusting fat pig in New Jersey.

I ask this question every few days and, so far, no repub/teadrinker has been able to answer it:

What have the Republicans done?
 
well he didnt do anything in lybia, he just didnt screw it up. Europe was the lead there, and the revolutionaries on the ground did all the leg work.
 
The name calling really does not help whatever case you are trying to make, I've read Chomsky, you may not call him a philosopher but his writings damn sure read like philosophical ramblings rather than any kind of real life guide to leading stupid ass humans.

Your a fucking liar. There is no philosophy in Noam Chomsky's writings at all. He doesnt speculate. He states facts which are documented and backed up.

Fucking moron lying piece of shit
 
The name calling really does not help whatever case you are trying to make, I've read Chomsky, you may not call him a philosopher but his writings damn sure read like philosophical ramblings rather than any kind of real life guide to leading stupid ass humans.

Your a fucking liar. There is no philosophy in Noam Chomsky's writings at all. He doesnt speculate. He states facts which are documented and backed up.

Fucking moron lying piece of shit

The natives are getting restless, had to add more foul mouthed name callers to my ignore list in the last couple of days then in all the time before. Goodbye name caller.
 
I'm afraid I have a hard time getting upset about dead terrorists who hide beyond our ability to bring them to justice in conventional ways. I agree that killing that traitorous shithead was not strictly legal or the way anyone would have preferred but having a guy like that in the cross hairs and just letting them go is not something most people could have done. Chomsky is alright I guess but philosophers bore me to tears, I have my own very pragmatic philosophy, what use do I have for someone else's?

Chomsky is -not- a philosopher you fucking nitwit. He is a linguist and a historian, which is far from philosophy.

You poor uneducated fool. Want a good read?
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Power-Indispensable-Chomsky-Noam/dp/1565847032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326240981&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky (9781565847033): Noam Chomsky, John Schoeffel, Peter Mitchell: Books[/ame]

Best 15$ you will ever spend in your life. Keep you from looking like a dummy on political forums.

Oddly, Chomsky's employer (MIT Department of Linguistics: People: Faculty: Noam Chomsky), the Dictionary of Modern American Philosophers (Noam Chomsky, by Zoltn Gendler Szab, Dictionary of Modern American Philosophers, 1860-1960), and the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy all seem to be under the impression that Chomsky is a philosopher. It would seem that the philosophical establishment as a whole falls under your definition of a "fucking nitwit".

Returning to the subject of the thread, I am of the opinion that assassination is sometimes justified. I find it more acceptable than torture because it is not clear to me that torture accomplishes anything other forms of interrogation cannot, whereas assassination can remove an otherwise inaccessible individual from the global battlefield.
 
I don't side with either, for neither is a true liberal. Chomsky is pretty much a self-admitted anarchist, and Obama is some odd mixture of socialist/fascist ideas. Socialist in his ideals, fascist in his methods.
 
Doesn't really matter, does it? I mean, check it out ...

That black squatter sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom did what the impotent little Bush-Baby couldn't - He killed bin Laden and never lost an American life. He did it again in Libya. While the pubs were creaming their jeans over their token black who didn't even know that Libya is a country, our president (that black guy who runs rings around the pubs) teamed up with others on the same side and killed Gaddafi while the orange guy was playing golf. In between times, he has wiped out more Taliban and a quaeda leaders and deported more illegal aliens than any other president, AND, in his spare times, he shoots some mean hoops AND has created and/or saved in excess of THREE MILLION JOBS.

All this while you repubs are giving more money to the 1% and getting all kinds of hard for a truly disgusting fat pig in New Jersey.

I ask this question every few days and, so far, no repub/teadrinker has been able to answer it:

What have the Republicans done?

Do you get paid by the talking point? If so you're a rich man.

I'm not a republican.

It was simple question, no need to get defensive. It screams of insecurity, either about yourself or your hero.
 
Obama executed an American citizen w/o a trial of any kind.

I would have thought at least one liberal would be outraged. but as it is, I can't find a mildly upset liberal.

It's clear they will think and say Chomp is wrong, b/c they would have to admit that killing your own citizens is a crime and that obama should be in jail awaiting trial.
 
well he didnt do anything in lybia, he just didnt screw it up. Europe was the lead there, and the revolutionaries on the ground did all the leg work.

:lol:

Then why was congress (well the republican side) trying to get him to stop "doing nothing". American airstrikes made Gaddaffi's Libyan force wholly ineffective and allowed the Rebels to rout them.

In any case..Republicans gave ol' Gaddaffi a pass when Bush accepted blood money for Lockerbie.

Obama basically said, "Fuck that shit, the guy is a terrorist. He deserves a dirtnap".
 
well he didnt do anything in lybia, he just didnt screw it up. Europe was the lead there, and the revolutionaries on the ground did all the leg work.

:lol:

Then why was congress (well the republican side) trying to get him to stop "doing nothing". American airstrikes made Gaddaffi's Libyan force wholly ineffective and allowed the Rebels to rout them.

In any case..Republicans gave ol' Gaddaffi a pass when Bush accepted blood money for Lockerbie.

Obama basically said, "Fuck that shit, the guy is a terrorist. He deserves a dirtnap".

Is this stance based on principle or partisanship?

In other words were you demanding Bush scatter bombs all over Libya and also kill Gaddaffi, or were you only speaking in favor of it once Obama decided to do it?
 
Obama executed an American citizen w/o a trial of any kind.

I would have thought at least one liberal would be outraged. but as it is, I can't find a mildly upset liberal.

It's clear they will think and say Chomp is wrong, b/c they would have to admit that killing your own citizens is a crime and that obama should be in jail awaiting trial.

Well I live in NYC. And the last time some asshole with legs in the terrorist community started mouthing off about how he was going to take the fight to American shores..we got 9/11.

So I ain't crying any tears over al-Awlaki.

Although I find it interesting that no conservative was all that concerned with Dogan's death.

Funny that.
 
well he didnt do anything in lybia, he just didnt screw it up. Europe was the lead there, and the revolutionaries on the ground did all the leg work.

:lol:

Then why was congress (well the republican side) trying to get him to stop "doing nothing". American airstrikes made Gaddaffi's Libyan force wholly ineffective and allowed the Rebels to rout them.

In any case..Republicans gave ol' Gaddaffi a pass when Bush accepted blood money for Lockerbie.

Obama basically said, "Fuck that shit, the guy is a terrorist. He deserves a dirtnap".

Is this stance based on principle or partisanship?

In other words were you demanding Bush scatter bombs all over Libya and also kill Gaddaffi, or were you only speaking in favor of it once Obama decided to do it?

Once it was established that Gaddaffi was the author of Lockerbie..I was all for taking that asshole off the planet.

I've been pretty clear about terrorism against this country..in this forum..and others. And been pretty clear about terrorism in general. It should not be tolerated or supported.
 
Obama executed an American citizen w/o a trial of any kind.

I would have thought at least one liberal would be outraged. but as it is, I can't find a mildly upset liberal.

It's clear they will think and say Chomp is wrong, b/c they would have to admit that killing your own citizens is a crime and that obama should be in jail awaiting trial.

Well I live in NYC. And the last time some asshole with legs in the terrorist community started mouthing off about how he was going to take the fight to American shores..we got 9/11.

So I ain't crying any tears over al-Awlaki.

Although I find it interesting that no conservative was all that concerned with Dogan's death.

Funny that.

yeeaahhh

He got on board a ship that was planning on running the blockade, Israel said not to to that, but they did it any way and they responded, in person, and he got himself killed.

OBAMA sent a bomb, OBAMA made no attempt to capture OUR citizen.

Your comparison is jack shit.

Have a big cup of manthefuckup and admit obama should be in jail for murder.
 

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