Liberalism has won

[rtwngAvngr]

Look there is a finite amount of tax money that taxpayers pay each year. If the spending is too high eventually you'll need to raise taxes or stop spending. If you have been paying any attention lately you souldn't expect the spending to stop. So eventually you'll have higher taxes.

But when? When MUST taxes be raised. Are we to that condition now, in your opinion? It's funny when you libs get all conservative to out-conservative a conservative president. You're such a liar. Call be a bad conservative. Your invective means nothing. THis tactic will also fail for you guys.

 

[KarlMarx]

We have conservatives all over the place who are supporting hardcore smoking bans. We have a president who has the most liberal spending policy of anyone I've ever seen. Also a conservative president would never pass CFR. The thing is you guys see an R or a D next to a name and think you know who is running the country.

Liberalism is running rampant right now on capital hill and they've got you all fooled into thinking it isn't

For once, I find myself in the strange position of actually agreeing with PM and to some extent, even William Joyce....

Liberalism is not just a political belief, it is a cultural problem.

The Republicans running the hill seem to have lost sight of their core beliefs, fiscal restraint, limited government, strict immigration reform.

The reluctance to address immigration is due, in part, to the fact that Republicans are trying to cozy up to the Hispanic vote.

I'll address one point, federal spending....

In time, limited government is not going to be just an ideal of conservatives, but a fiscal necessity. The deficits that are being racked up year after year are being financed with foreign capital, notably the Chinese.

I learned that the trade deficit is not a measure of the net flow of goods and services crossing our borders, but a net measure of the flow of investment capital across our borders. A large trade deficit means that people in other countries are investing in America. At first that seems like a good thing, until you start to look at what they're investing in... mostly, government securities. Govenment securities, e.g. bonds, are how the government borrows money.

That means that the federal deficit is being financed with foreign capital. The borrowed money is not being used to invest in future growth of the American economy but to finance present day government spending.

In the past, foreign investment by the British helped to build the transcontinental railroad system during the 19th century, that type of investment is a good thing, but today's situation is entirely different.

As the government takes up a larger and larger percentage of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP - which is the sum of all goods and services produced by our economy), our economy and worse yet, our government, is becoming more and more dependent on foreign capital to keep running.

To make things worse, because of the aging population, Social Security spending and Medicare are going to consume an even larger amount of federal spending (and that money is mostly in the form of IOU's, which means even more borrowing from abroad).

To make things worse, Americans save less than 5% of what they take home, so there isn't a large pool of domestic capital to tap.

Worse yet, increased borrowing by the government make it more difficult for the private sector to borrow money (since there is only so much money to go around), so the private sector can't borrow money to grow businesses and the economy.....

Government can't keep raising taxes to finance this insanity either. If it does, it will take away the incentives for making money and eventually hurt the economy (which it already is doing)....

Since we should not borrow more from abroad, plus we shouldn't tax people and business more and there isn't a large supply of domestic capital and to top it all off, there is going to be an huge increase in entitlements in the form of Social Security and Medicare spending, there is only one thing left.....

Since our country is at war, decrease non-defense government spending in real dollars, immediately. That means cancel lots and lots of government pork barrel spending and so forth....

But it has to go further than that, we must also remove a lot of the rules and regulations on businesses, so that they can expand and bring in more money. Money that can be collected in the form of taxes and help to pay down the debt, reduce borrowing and so forth.....

One area that should be addressed is Social Security reform.... by privatizing part of it, you automatically increase the savings rate, you increase the pool of domestic capital and you reduce our dependence on foreign capital.....

P.S. Which is why, I'm no longer a Republican, but a member of the Conservative Party

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Those are all good points KarlMarx. But right now these realities are only being used to score points against Bush, by dems. The only way to change the republicans is to give them REAL COMPETITION at the ballot box, with a party espousing what you're saying. I just don't think NOW Is the time to challenge Republicans with homegrown reformist candidates when it's too crucial to keep the socialist, terrorist supporting dems out of office.

I agree Liberalism has come pretty far, but the REPUBLICANS are not where to start reforming, the communist dems must be defeated first.

 

[KarlMarx]

Those are all good points KarlMarx. But right now these realities are only being used to score points against Bush, by dems. The only way to change the republicans is to give them REAL COMPETITION at the ballot box, with a party espousing what you're saying. I just don't think NOW Is the time to challenge Republicans with homegrown reformist candidates when it's too crucial to keep the socialist, terrorist supporting dems out of office.

I agree Liberalism has come pretty far, but the REPUBLICANS are not where to start reforming, the communist dems must be defeated first.

I'm afraid that the Republicans need to return to their core beliefs, or the people will vote them out of office.

True, terrorist supporting dems should be voted out of office, but at the same time, we must vote for people who are truly conservative, instead of by party affiliation.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I'm afraid that the Republicans need to return to their core beliefs, or the people will vote them out of office.

True, terrorist supporting dems should be voted out of office, but at the same time, we must vote for people who are truly conservative, instead of by party affiliation.

We all want bush to cut spending. Let's not get all squirrely during a war.

 

[KarlMarx]

We all want bush to cut spending. Let's not get all squirrely during a war.

I agree, which is why I said in my post before last, that non-defense spending should be cut.

Discretionary spending must be cut, drastically.

 

[Powerman]

Those are all good points KarlMarx. But right now these realities are only being used to score points against Bush, by dems. The only way to change the republicans is to give them REAL COMPETITION at the ballot box, with a party espousing what you're saying. I just don't think NOW Is the time to challenge Republicans with homegrown reformist candidates when it's too crucial to keep the socialist, terrorist supporting dems out of office.

I agree Liberalism has come pretty far, but the REPUBLICANS are not where to start reforming, the communist dems must be defeated first.

I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT!

You're just incapable of criticizing republican politicians because you have no fiber to you.

 

[Powerman]

We all want bush to cut spending. Let's not get all squirrely during a war.

Was it so hard to say that in the first place?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Was it so hard to say that in the first place?

He's more conservative than dems. We can't splinter off in a bunch of third parties and lose to the dems, which is what YOU want, powerman, you fake conservative.

 

[Powerman]

He's more conservative than dems. We can't splinter off in a bunch of third parties and lose to the dems, which is what YOU want, powerman, you fake conservative.

I never said that we should split off into a bunch of smaller parties. Personally I think that republicans and democrats are both terrible but for now I'll probably vote for republicans until I see some realistic hope of a 3rd party emerging. But in the meantime I don't see why I shouldn't be able to criticize Bush. Hell he got my vote twice. I'd say I have the right to criticize him when I think he's breaking ranks. He's a fiscal liberal. He's the fake conservative. You're just too blinded to see it. Sure he's not as liberal as a democrat but he is nowhere near conservative.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I never said that we should split off into a bunch of smaller parties. Personally I think that republicans and democrats are both terrible but for now I'll probably vote for republicans until I see some realistic hope of a 3rd party emerging. But in the meantime I don't see why I shouldn't be able to criticize Bush. Hell he got my vote twice. I'd say I have the right to criticize him when I think he's breaking ranks. He's a fiscal liberal. He's the fake conservative. You're just too blinded to see it. Sure he's not as liberal as a democrat but he is nowhere near conservative.

I'm not too blind to see it. I just think your efforts are misguided in criticizing bush when you need to be kicking sense into socialists.

 

[Powerman]

I'm not too blind to see it. I just think your efforts are misguided in criticizing bush when you need to be kicking sense into socialists.

Dude 99% of the people here are alleged conservatives. I've yet to see one socialist come into the argument. When they do I'll happily berate them and tell them to go sit in the corner with their standard issue Che t-shirt.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Dude 99% of the people here are alleged conservatives. I've yet to see one socialist come into the argument. When they do I'll happily berate them and tell them to go sit in the corner with their standard issue Che t-shirt.

You feign conservatism in many areas. You're really a two issue johnny; you're for the demoralization of christianity and tax hikes. And I can get all the threads together to prove it if you want me to.

 

[Powerman]

You feign conservatism in many areas. You're really a two issue johnny; you for the demoralization of christianity and tax hikes. And I can get all the threads together to prove it if you want me to.

The threads serve their purpose better seperately. If you're talking about conservative values then that's not me. I don't want religion integrated into govt. I don't see how not wanting creationism taught in public schools would make me not conservative though. That just makes me normal. I'm just more outspoken about it than your average guy.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The threads serve their purpose better seperately. If you're talking about conservative values then that's not me. I don't want religion integrated into govt. I don't see how not wanting creationism taught in public schools would make me not conservative though. That just makes me normal. I'm just more outspoken about it than your average guy.

Your purpose to indoctrinate and confuse? Yes. I call it "seemingly unconnected meme implantation".


Right, you're afraid of theocracy. Jew much?

You feel tax cuts are INEVITABLE, which is just the time honored propaganda technique of controlling the options in discourse. Talk of spending cuts makes you act like a wee lass.

If it walks like duck and talks like a duck ...... It might be an aflac commercial.

 

[Powerman]

Your purpose to indoctrinate and confuse? Yes. I call it "seemingly unconnected meme implantation".


Right, you're afraid of theocracy. Jew much?

You feel tax cuts are INEVITABLE, which is just the time honored propaganda technique of controlling the options in discourse. Talk of spending cuts makes you act like a wee lass.

If it walks like duck and talks like a duck ...... It might be an aflac commercial.

I don't see how this could possibly confuse anyone. It's pretty black and white. Govt. spending is at an all time high and there is no signs of it decreasing. This should be a problem with all conservatives. Apparently you're just one of those people that likes to be part of a group so you blindly align yourself with whatever party looks like they agree with you more. And now you don't have the balls to criticize that group since their "your" group. It's quite sickening really.


Karl Marx gets it
William Joyce gets it
You don't get it

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I don't see how this could possibly confuse anyone. It's pretty black and white. Govt. spending is at an all time high and there is no signs of it decreasing. This should be a problem with all conservatives. Apparently you're just one of those people that likes to be part of a group so you blindly align yourself with whatever party looks like they agree with you more. And now you don't have the balls to criticize that group since their "your" group. It's quite sickening really.


Karl Marx gets it
William Joyce gets it
You don't get it

Oh, the group agrees with you? You can't delphi me, commie

 

[Powerman]

So far you've falsely labeled me as a liberal and a commie. Any other stupid lies you'd like to make up while you're at it?

 

[007]

I don't see how this could possibly confuse anyone. It's pretty black and white. Govt. spending is at an all time high and there is no signs of it decreasing. This should be a problem with all conservatives. Apparently you're just one of those people that likes to be part of a group so you blindly align yourself with whatever party looks like they agree with you more. And now you don't have the balls to criticize that group since their "your" group. It's quite sickening really.


Karl Marx gets it
William Joyce gets it
You don't get it

You know, everytime I hear this old line, "this president has spent more money than any other president in history", I think to myself, so what? I can say the same thing about "myself"! Every year I spend more money! You know why? Well, I don't think you need to be an economist to figure it out... "the damn PRICE of everything goes UP EACH YEAR". So you tell me PM, how the hell is ANY president EVER going to "spend LESS THAN the prior"?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

So far you've falsely labeled me as a liberal and a commie. Any other stupid lies you'd like to make up while you're at it?

Don't forget liar and coward.