Liberal Pollster's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party

[Conservative]

excellent read... discuss (preferably AFTER you've actually gone to the linked page and read the rest of the piece, people).

Dem-igod Stanley Greenberg's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party - HUMAN EVENTS

If President Obama needed any more indication of how much his public support has eroded, he need look no further than a recent memorandum of sorts published in the New York Times by former President Bill Clinton​’s pollster, Stanley Greenberg​. Listen to Greenberg, whose progressive polling firm partners with Clinton strategist James Carville​, advise Obama and Democrats on what his latest round of polls and focus groups reveal are their only hope to survive politically, given the current reality:

•“Voters in the developed world are turning away from Democrats, Socialists, liberals and progressives.”
•“Voters feel ever more estranged from government—and they associate Democrats with government.”
•“If they are to win trust, and votes, Democrats must show they are as determined as the Tea Party movement to change the rules of the game."
•“This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy [and] sidelines Democrats and liberalism."
•Greenberg says that his public opinion research now reveals that voters believe, “Government rushes to help the irresponsible and does little for the responsible."
•To win, Democrats must “advocate policies that would control the borders and address problems of undocumented workers,” and voters want to “see strong enforcement at the border and in the workplace, and the expulsion of troublesome undocumented immigrants."
•“Finally, progressives have to be serious about reducing the country’s long-term deficits” because “the deficit matters to people and has real meaning and consequences.”

To recap, after analyzing his reams of public opinion research, President Clinton​’s pollster just advised the most progressive President in American history to mimic the Tea Party’s resolve, stop government from rewarding the irresponsible over the responsible, crack down on illegal immigration and get tough on border enforcement, stop illegal immigrants from being hired over legal citizens, and deport violent or law-breaking illegal immigrants, and to top it all off, Obama and the Democrats should stop the government’s profligate spending spree and bring down deficits.

Crickets chirping

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I think what he is really telling Obama is that it is time to grow up.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Sounds like what most Americans have been saying all along. It's just that most liberals are too stupid or stubborn to get it.

 

[Two Thumbs]

From that list, Obama does lead in deportations.

It doesn't make the news b/c he doesn't want to lose the spanish vote.

aside from that, it's telling him to do what I've wanted done for 11 years now

 

[theDoctorisIn]

excellent read... discuss (preferably AFTER you've actually gone to the linked page and read the rest of the piece, people).

Dem-igod Stanley Greenberg's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party - HUMAN EVENTS

If President Obama needed any more indication of how much his public support has eroded, he need look no further than a recent memorandum of sorts published in the New York Times by former President Bill Clinton​’s pollster, Stanley Greenberg​. Listen to Greenberg, whose progressive polling firm partners with Clinton strategist James Carville​, advise Obama and Democrats on what his latest round of polls and focus groups reveal are their only hope to survive politically, given the current reality:

•“Voters in the developed world are turning away from Democrats, Socialists, liberals and progressives.”
•“Voters feel ever more estranged from government—and they associate Democrats with government.”
•“If they are to win trust, and votes, Democrats must show they are as determined as the Tea Party movement to change the rules of the game."
•“This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy [and] sidelines Democrats and liberalism."
•Greenberg says that his public opinion research now reveals that voters believe, “Government rushes to help the irresponsible and does little for the responsible."
•To win, Democrats must “advocate policies that would control the borders and address problems of undocumented workers,” and voters want to “see strong enforcement at the border and in the workplace, and the expulsion of troublesome undocumented immigrants."
•“Finally, progressives have to be serious about reducing the country’s long-term deficits” because “the deficit matters to people and has real meaning and consequences.”

To recap, after analyzing his reams of public opinion research, President Clinton​’s pollster just advised the most progressive President in American history to mimic the Tea Party’s resolve, stop government from rewarding the irresponsible over the responsible, crack down on illegal immigration and get tough on border enforcement, stop illegal immigrants from being hired over legal citizens, and deport violent or law-breaking illegal immigrants, and to top it all off, Obama and the Democrats should stop the government’s profligate spending spree and bring down deficits.

Crickets chirping

Well, if you really wanted people to read the "whole story", perhaps you should have linked to Greenberg's op-ed, instead of relying on Wynton C. Hall to tell you what it said.

Here's the actual opinion piece from the Times -

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/tuning-out-the-democrats.html?_r=1

 

[Conservative]

excellent read... discuss (preferably AFTER you've actually gone to the linked page and read the rest of the piece, people).

Dem-igod Stanley Greenberg's Devastating Memo to Obama: Join the Tea Party - HUMAN EVENTS

If President Obama needed any more indication of how much his public support has eroded, he need look no further than a recent memorandum of sorts published in the New York Times by former President Bill Clinton​’s pollster, Stanley Greenberg​. Listen to Greenberg, whose progressive polling firm partners with Clinton strategist James Carville​, advise Obama and Democrats on what his latest round of polls and focus groups reveal are their only hope to survive politically, given the current reality:

•“Voters in the developed world are turning away from Democrats, Socialists, liberals and progressives.”
•“Voters feel ever more estranged from government—and they associate Democrats with government.”
•“If they are to win trust, and votes, Democrats must show they are as determined as the Tea Party movement to change the rules of the game."
•“This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy [and] sidelines Democrats and liberalism."
•Greenberg says that his public opinion research now reveals that voters believe, “Government rushes to help the irresponsible and does little for the responsible."
•To win, Democrats must “advocate policies that would control the borders and address problems of undocumented workers,” and voters want to “see strong enforcement at the border and in the workplace, and the expulsion of troublesome undocumented immigrants."
•“Finally, progressives have to be serious about reducing the country’s long-term deficits” because “the deficit matters to people and has real meaning and consequences.”

To recap, after analyzing his reams of public opinion research, President Clinton​’s pollster just advised the most progressive President in American history to mimic the Tea Party’s resolve, stop government from rewarding the irresponsible over the responsible, crack down on illegal immigration and get tough on border enforcement, stop illegal immigrants from being hired over legal citizens, and deport violent or law-breaking illegal immigrants, and to top it all off, Obama and the Democrats should stop the government’s profligate spending spree and bring down deficits.

Crickets chirping

Well, if you really wanted people to read the "whole story", perhaps you should have linked to Greenberg's op-ed, instead of relying on Wynton C. Hall to tell you what it said.

Here's the actual opinion piece from the Times -

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/tuning-out-the-democrats.html?_r=1

The piece entitled Why Voters Tune Out Democrats? That piece?

In analyzing these polls in the United States, I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government — and that they associate Democrats with government.

But in smaller, more probing focus groups, voters show they are fairly cynical about Democratic politicians’ stands. They tune out the politicians’ fine speeches and plans and express sentiments like these: “It’s just words.” “There’s just such a control of government by the wealthy that whatever happens, it’s not working for all the people; it’s working for a few of the people.” “We don’t have a representative government anymore.”

If they are to win trust, and votes, Democrats must show they are as determined as the Tea Party movement to change the rules of the game.

They do not believe the fundamentals have really changed in Mr. Obama’s Washington.

They must make the case for public financing of campaigns and force the broadcast and cable networks to provide free time for candidate ads.
(The same public financing Obama refused to accept in 2008?)

To show that government can protect the nation’s interests, Democrats should advocate policies that would control the borders and address problems of undocumented workers. My surveys show that voters want comprehensive immigration reform rather than half measures. They would like to see strong enforcement at the border and in the workplace, and the expulsion of troublesome undocumented immigrants.

A government that spends and borrows without the kind of limits that would govern an ordinary family is going to have big troubles. Voters I’ve studied say things like, if “we keep spending like this, we’re going to be bankrupt and there won’t be anything for anybody,” especially “our children.” The final straw is the government’s decision to continue spending and to put the country deeper into debt and more dependent on China.

And his final statement...
Recently, it has been the conservatives, the Tea Party members and the anti-immigrant groups who understand the anger with government, and rush in to exploit it. Perhaps now, with the debacle in Washington, liberals will become instinctively angry with this illegitimate government and build their politics from there.

Seems fairly obvious that Hall's take was accurate.