Liberal Plan: Everyone On Welfare!

[francoHFW]

Dems had the congress in 2008. Just thought I mention that for your tiny little mind.

SO WHAT!! Boosh vetoed everything they tried except the Min Wage increase they shamed Pubs into, so they just gave up and said it's all yours, fool...Change the channel, moron LOL!

You mean kinda like the way Barney and Co. got in the way of regulating FM/FM and let the housing bubble happen. I thought so.

It's good to know you blame the GOP house for controlling things, but the dem house is powerless.

You really are a stoog and a tool.

Speak for yourself, mindless dupe. Barney was out of power from 1994 till 2007, when all the BS happened. And the Pubs in congress were against regulation that whole time, INCLUDING 2007-8. You really should try READING something beside Pub Propaganda ranters. Moron.

 

[edthecynic]

Yup, and then we had the Pub World Depression of 2008 and they lost all their retirement funds...BRILLIANT!! Pub Dupes!

Pubs in 2012: "Tax cuts for the bloated rich, destroy Medicare, Medicaid, and maybe SS"

LOL! Well that's how we got our first DEM Rep here EVER last year. The dupes and Pubs live in a dream world if they think this'll fly...

Dems had the congress in 2008. Just thought I mention that for your tiny little mind.

You should know by now that Dems/liberals/leftists will never accept blame for anything.

Why should the Dems take the blame for the GOP's fuck ups???

 

[Listening]

SO WHAT!! Boosh vetoed everything they tried except the Min Wage increase they shamed Pubs into, so they just gave up and said it's all yours, fool...Change the channel, moron LOL!

You mean kinda like the way Barney and Co. got in the way of regulating FM/FM and let the housing bubble happen. I thought so.

It's good to know you blame the GOP house for controlling things, but the dem house is powerless.

You really are a stoog and a tool.

Speak for yourself, mindless dupe. Barney was out of power from 1994 till 2007, when all the BS happened. And the Pubs in congress were against regulation that whole time, INCLUDING 2007-8. You really should try READING something beside Pub Propaganda ranters. Moron.

Asswipe....listen up....Bawney and Co. were in on the hearings (everyone's seen the tape...and most are not in denial like your self).

So, Please take responsibility for something besides being a mooch on society.

 

[Listening]

Dems had the congress in 2008. Just thought I mention that for your tiny little mind.

You should know by now that Dems/liberals/leftists will never accept blame for anything.

Why should the Dems take the blame for the GOP's fuck ups???

Oh, the GOP should take the blame for those....and the dems should get credit for running on a lie-your-ass-platform in 2006. And then continuing to do nothing....except screw the American people.

They will get all the credit in the world for wasting our time when the SCOUTUS bounces Obamacare into the landfill.

 

[Chris]

To a Republican "socialism" is any money spent on the non wealthy.

 

[Chris]

You should know by now that Dems/liberals/leftists will never accept blame for anything.

Why should the Dems take the blame for the GOP's fuck ups???

Oh, the GOP should take the blame for those....and the dems should get credit for running on a lie-your-ass-platform in 2006. And then continuing to do nothing....except screw the American people.

They will get all the credit in the world for wasting our time when the SCOUTUS bounces Obamacare into the landfill.

If Obama Cares is overturned the result will be a single payer system.

 

[saveliberty]

you think i'm smug? you're the one who wants to gamble with my money.

it's clearly you who know nothing about finance.

and given that the stock market is way higher than it was when bush was president, i'm figuring you don't have stocks... but i sure do. and they're doing well

but i wouldn't put my retirement fund into the market because i dont' gamble what i don't want to lose.

Please link to a Social Security guarantee.

i think you could look into past performance as being indicative of future performance.

but heck, i wasn't the one who made fun of al gore when he said that the social security trust fund should be put in a lock box...

*shrug*

You realize that is how they sell mutual funds right? Use past performance as an indicator of future returns. By that standard, you shouldn't have a problem with self directed social security, yet you do.

 

[Listening]

To a Republican "socialism" is any money spent on the non wealthy.

And to a democrat, capitalism is the barrier to getting the money of the wealthy.

7 Reasons Why Liberals Are Incapable of Understanding The World - John Hawkins - Townhall Conservative Columnists

It is usually impossible for a non-liberal to change a liberal's mind about political issues because liberalism works like so: only liberals are credible sources of information. How do you know someone's liberal? He espouses liberal doctrine. So, no matter how plausible what you say may be, it will be ignored if you're not a liberal and if you are a liberal, of course, you probably agree with liberal views. This sort of close-mindedness makes liberals nearly impervious to any information that might undermine their beliefs.

Obama is the democrats court jester.

 

[Listening]

Why should the Dems take the blame for the GOP's fuck ups???

Oh, the GOP should take the blame for those....and the dems should get credit for running on a lie-your-ass-platform in 2006. And then continuing to do nothing....except screw the American people.

They will get all the credit in the world for wasting our time when the SCOUTUS bounces Obamacare into the landfill.

If Obama Cares is overturned the result will be a single payer system.

Rrrrrrriiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhhhhttttttt.

Wet dreams abound.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Pelosi has it correct in this one. Lots of really ambitious democrats!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QlOWd2Afok&feature=related]Welfare Queens - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Foxfyre]

Are you certain that you do?

See below.....

"Government employees in Galveston, Brazoria and Matagorda Counties have controlled their private retirement plan for 30 years. They opted out of Social Security before Congress changed the law in 1983 to prevent others from withdrawing.

Though the private program has its critics — and some say it does not provide all of the important benefits many destitute Americans claim through Social Security — many in these counties consider their system superior.

In 1981, when Galveston County employees pulled out of the Social Security system, the program was projected to be insolvent by 2010, said Rick Gornto, the designer of the Alternate Plan and president of First Financial Benefits, the company that manages the retirement accounts. “People in Texas are very independent minded, and they stepped out and challenged the system,” he said.

In the Alternate Plan, retirement benefits are a direct result of employee contributions. In each paycheck, employees contribute 13.9 percent of the their gross pay (6.1 percent from the employee, 7.8 percent from the county) to a private account.

In a hypothetical calculation, Mr. Gornto said, an employee who earned $25,000 annually for 40 years could retire with a 20-year payout of $2,297 a month under the Alternate Plan. Under the same circumstances, an employee making $125,000 annually could retire with a payout of $11,490 a month.

Social Security benefits change depending on the yearly adjustment for inflation, the year of retirement, and the age of the worker. But at a maximum, a worker who retires in 2011 at age 66 could receive $2,366 a month in Social Security benefits."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/u...curity-works-in-galveston.html?pagewanted=all

In 2008 our more aggressive investments lost half their value. Our more conservative investments only took about a 25% hit. But even if we had lost half our investment in 2008, we would have been better off four fold than we are by paying social security all these years.

As I posted on another thread focused on comparing private retirement accounts with Social Security today:

If, when I first started working for a living, I had conservatively invested the same amount as the FICA deductions from my paycheck:

1. I would now have an investment account worth well over $1 million and would be enjoying a comfortable retirement income off that investment of between $50k and $100k per year.

2. I would likely have no debts and the money would be mine to re-invest, spend, give away, or whatever i wanted to do with it.

3. I can transfer all or part of my account to somebody else as I wish or bequeath it to my heirs who would receive the full balance (less any applicable taxes) when I died.

4. No matter what happens, the money is my private property and is therefore Constitutionally protected.

However, the same amount in Social Security taxes confiscated by the government results in a situation in which:

1. I receive a bit more than $13k a year in Social Security benefits which by no means covers the mortgage, taxes, and living expenses, let alone provides much in the way of quality of life. If single it does however entitle me to be ranked among the poorest of Americans.

2. I cannot draw on any yet unspent monies of the funds I have contributed. The government however has spent that money rather than putting it aside to at least grow by drawing interest.

3. If I die before I draw any monies from my account or before I have used all that I have paid in, the government takes the money. It is not available to my spouse or heirs.

4. There is no constitutional provision protecting my social security account and absolutely nothing to prevent Congress from ending the program tomorrow in which case the government could legally keep every nickle we have paid in and would have to give us nothing. We have absolutely no protection other than the generosity of those elected to the House and Senate. Obama had plenty of ability to make good on threats to withhold social security payments if the debt ceiling was not raised.

For anybody with any sense, it is a no brainer.

And yet the addiction to a concept of never having to take responsibility for ourselves because we trust the government to take care of us is powerful and extremely difficult to break. On Wiseacre's President's thread, it was pointed out that the addiction started small and insignificant with the Social Security Act, but that is what started the snowball rolling. And it has changed the character and culture of America to one of freedome loving and personal responsibility in which people learned to manage and save their money to a culture of entitlement, debt, and dependency.

You would have that money only if you could go back in time and invest for the future. However by investing in the present for the future the results can go very wrong if for example you invested in stocks like ENRON!!!

So obviously some professional will have to do the investing for the average person but even that pro could screw up or cheat you like Bernie Madoff did, so then do you let the government invest your money or pick your investment broker?

Some of us are smart enough to investigate the companies we invest in, or to spread the risk through Mutual Funds. Also a PRIVATE investment account id just that, our own property, and yes, if you put all your eggs with a Bernie Madoff you can be scammed and lose everything. Most of us are smart enough not to do that too. There is nothing in life that is without risk, though there are some who sure want the government to take away all risk. But of course, if they give government the power to do that, they also give the government power to control every aspect of our lives.

And for at least some of us, that price is way too high.

 

[saveliberty]

What do you mean IF Obamacare is overturned?

 

[edthecynic]

You mean kinda like the way Barney and Co. got in the way of regulating FM/FM and let the housing bubble happen. I thought so.

It's good to know you blame the GOP house for controlling things, but the dem house is powerless.

You really are a stoog and a tool.

Speak for yourself, mindless dupe. Barney was out of power from 1994 till 2007, when all the BS happened. And the Pubs in congress were against regulation that whole time, INCLUDING 2007-8. You really should try READING something beside Pub Propaganda ranters. Moron.

Asswipe....listen up....Bawney and Co. were in on the hearings (everyone's seen the tape...and most are not in denial like your self).

So, Please take responsibility for something besides being a mooch on society.

They were "in on the hearings" true, but for CON$ the best way to lie is to tell just enough truth and then shut up, hoping to lie to your level of ignorance. In this case your ignorance of the fact that the bill passed the House over Barney's objections, only to die in committee in the GOP controlled Senate!!! Liars always leave that part out when they blame the Dems for the reform bill the GOP Senate killed!!!

 

[kiwiman127]

This has got to be the biggest dipshit thread I have seen in a while. One troll after another; gotta love it.

pc must be feeling bored today.

I report, you decide.

You don't report, you editorialize by mainly using known highly slanted right wing resources.

 

[Listening]

Speak for yourself, mindless dupe. Barney was out of power from 1994 till 2007, when all the BS happened. And the Pubs in congress were against regulation that whole time, INCLUDING 2007-8. You really should try READING something beside Pub Propaganda ranters. Moron.

Asswipe....listen up....Bawney and Co. were in on the hearings (everyone's seen the tape...and most are not in denial like your self).

So, Please take responsibility for something besides being a mooch on society.

They were "in on the hearings" true, but for CON$ the best way to lie is to tell just enough truth and then shut up, hoping to lie to your level of ignorance. In this case your ignorance of the fact that the bill passed the House over Barney's objections, only to die in committee in the GOP controlled Senate!!! Liars always leave that part out when they blame the Dems for the reform bill the GOP Senate killed!!!

Keep trying snotnose...this was tied to Bush who raised the isse early on. That was the point of the post a while back.

But, you keep at it. One of these days someone might think you are credible.

 

[Listening]

pc must be feeling bored today.

I report, you decide.

You don't report, you editorialize by mainly using known highly slanted right wing resources.

She is one of the better debaters on this board.

So what was your question ?

 

[edthecynic]

Asswipe....listen up....Bawney and Co. were in on the hearings (everyone's seen the tape...and most are not in denial like your self).

So, Please take responsibility for something besides being a mooch on society.

They were "in on the hearings" true, but for CON$ the best way to lie is to tell just enough truth and then shut up, hoping to lie to your level of ignorance. In this case your ignorance of the fact that the bill passed the House over Barney's objections, only to die in committee in the GOP controlled Senate!!! Liars always leave that part out when they blame the Dems for the reform bill the GOP Senate killed!!!

Keep trying snotnose...this was tied to Bush who raised the isse early on. That was the point of the post a while back.

But, you keep at it. One of these days someone might think you are credible.

Well then, let's review.

You mean kinda like the way Barney and Co. got in the way of regulating FM/FM and let the housing bubble happen. I thought so.

It's good to know you blame the GOP house for controlling things, but the dem house is powerless.

You really are a stoog and a tool.

 

[Listening]

They were "in on the hearings" true, but for CON$ the best way to lie is to tell just enough truth and then shut up, hoping to lie to your level of ignorance. In this case your ignorance of the fact that the bill passed the House over Barney's objections, only to die in committee in the GOP controlled Senate!!! Liars always leave that part out when they blame the Dems for the reform bill the GOP Senate killed!!!

Keep trying snotnose...this was tied to Bush who raised the isse early on. That was the point of the post a while back.

But, you keep at it. One of these days someone might think you are credible.

Well then, let's review.

You mean kinda like the way Barney and Co. got in the way of regulating FM/FM and let the housing bubble happen. I thought so.

It's good to know you blame the GOP house for controlling things, but the dem house is powerless.

You really are a stoog and a tool.

Post prior to that one moron, where this was about Bush and the lack of prowness on the 2007/2008 congress. Looks who ranting about hiding stuff.

 

[Foxfyre]

For what it's worth, I applaud PC for actually have the sense to identify and post an interesting topic. I suggest that the only ones who would criticize her for identifying and posting a topic like this are idiots, trolls, numbnuts, or other exercises in futility, or at least are those who can't rebut the information provided to support the concept of the thread. And because they aren't comfortable with the concept, they attack her.

Lordy, maybe someday we'll have a message board in which people of differing opinions can articulate a non-ad hominem rationale for why they disagree with a concept.

But once again, I honestly don't believe that there are more than a very few leftists/liberals/progressives who are capable of doing that. Of course I think those who are capable of doing that are smart enough to be rightwingers/conservatives/classical liberals. But that's just me.

 

[saveliberty]

I tend to not post a link or source with many liberals, because they won't read it, can't accept it and often resort to the nearest talking points, which they don't understand or research. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've taken their sources and used them as a basis for rebuttal. The skill levels are just sad. So, it devolves into attacks of character. Predictable and boring.