Liberal media has not changed in 60 years

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    I found this article this morning. I have heard people talking about it, but this is the first time I have read it

    If you take out Germany and insert Iraq you will see the liberal media has not changed much in 60 years


    Americans Are Losing The Peace In Europe
    Life Magazine ^ | January 7, 1946 | John Dos Passos

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003058/posts
    Posted on 10/17/2003 9:44:42 AM PDT by Weimdog


    We are in a cabin deep down below decks on a Navy ship jam-packed with troops that’s pitching and creaking its way across the Atlantic in a winter gale. There is a man in every bunk. There’s a man wedged into every corner. There’s a man in every chair. The air is dense with cigarette smoke and with the staleness of packed troops and sour wool.

    “Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans,” puts in the lanky young captain in the upper berth, “but…”

    “To hell with the Germans,” says the broad-shouldered dark lieutenant. “It’s what our boys have been doing that worries me.”

    The lieutenant has been talking about the traffic in Army property, the leaking of gasoline into the black market in France and Belgium even while the fighting was going on, the way the Army kicks the civilians around, the looting.

    “Lust, liquor and loot are the soldier’s pay,” interrupts a red-faced major.

    The lieutenant comes out with his conclusion: “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” You hear these two phrases again and again in about every bull session on the shop. “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and “Don’t think I’m sticking up for the Germans, but….”

    The troops returning home are worried. “We’ve lost the peace,” men tell you. “We can’t make it stick.”

    A tour of the beaten-up cities of Europe six months after victory is a mighty sobering experience for anyone. Europeans. Friend and foe alike, look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American. They cite the evolution of the word “liberation.” Before the Normandy landings it meant to be freed from the tyranny of the Nazis. Now it stands in the minds of the civilians for one thing, looting.

    You try to explain to these Europeans that they expected too much. They answer that they had a right to, that after the last was America was the hope of the world. They talk about the Hoover relief, the work of the Quakers, the speeches of Woodrow Wilson. They don’t blame us for the fading of that hope. But they blame us now.

    Never has American prestige in Europe been lower. People never tire of telling you of the ignorance and rowdy-ism of American troops, of out misunderstanding of European conditions. They say that the theft and sale of Army supplies by our troops is the basis of their black market. They blame us for the corruption and disorganization of UNRRA. They blame us for the fumbling timidity of our negotiations with the Soviet Union. They tell us that our mechanical de-nazification policy in Germany is producing results opposite to those we planned. “Have you no statesmen in America?” they ask.

    The skeptical French press

    Yet whenever we show a trace of positive leadership I found Europeans quite willing to follow our lead. The evening before Robert Jackson’s opening of the case for the prosecution in the Nurnberg trial, I talked to some correspondents from the French newspapers. They were polite but skeptical. They were willing enough to take part in a highly publicized act of vengeance against the enemy, but when you talked about the usefulness of writing a prohibition of aggressive war into the law of nations they laughed in your face. The night after Jackson’s nobly delivered and nobly worded speech I saw then all again. They were very much impressed. Their manner had even changed toward me personally as an American. Their sudden enthusiasm seemed to me typical of the almost neurotic craving for leadership of the European people struggling wearily for existence in the wintry ruins of their world.

    The ruin this war has left in Europe can hardly be exaggerated. I can remember the years after the last war. Then, as soon as you got away from the military, all the little strands and pulleys that form the fabric of a society were still knitted together. Farmers took their crops to market. Money was a valid medium of exchange. Now the entire fabric of a million little routines has broken down. No on can think beyond food for today. Money is worthless. Cigarettes are used as a kind of lunatic travesty on a currency. If a man goes out to work he shops around to find the business that serves the best hot meal. The final pay-off is the situation reported from the Ruhr where the miners are fed at the pits so that they will not be able to take the food home to their families.

    “Well, the Germans are to blame. Let them pay for it. It’s their fault,” you say. The trouble is that starving the Germans and throwing them out of their homes is only producing more areas of famine and collapse.

    One section of the population of Europe looked to us for salvation and another looked to the Soviet Union. Wherever the people have endured either the American armies or the Russian armies both hopes have been bitterly disappointed. The British have won a slightly better reputation. The state of mind in Vienna is interesting because there the part of the population that was not actively Nazi was about equally divided. The wealthier classes looked to America, the workers to the Soviet Union.

    The Russians came first. The Viennese tell you of the savagery of the Russian armies. They came like the ancient Mongol hordes out of the steppes, with the flimsiest supply. The people in the working-class districts had felt that when the Russians came that they at least would be spared. But not at all. In the working-class districts the tropes were allowed to rape and murder and loot at will. When victims complained, the Russians answered, “You are too well off to be workers. You are bourgeoisie.”

    When Americans looted they took cameras and valuables but when the Russians looted they took everything. And they raped and killed. From the eastern frontiers a tide of refugees is seeping across Europe bringing a nightmare tale of helpless populations trampled underfoot. When the British and American came the Viennese felt that at last they were in the hands of civilized people. But instead of coming in with a bold plan of relief and reconstruction we came in full of evasions and apologies.

    U.S. administration a poor third

    We know now the tragic results of the ineptitudes of the Peace of Versailles. The European system it set up was Utopia compared to the present tangle of snarling misery. The Russians at least are carrying out a logical plan for extending their system of control at whatever cost. The British show signs of recovering their good sense and their innate human decency. All we have brought to Europe so far is confusion backed up by a drumhead regime of military courts. We have swept away Hitlerism, but a great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease. [Emphasis mine]

    The taste of victory had gone sour in the mouth of every thoughtful American I met. Thoughtful men can’t help remembering that this is a period in history when every political crime and every frivolous mistake in statesmanship has been paid for by the death of innocent people. The Germans built the Stalags; the Nazis are behind barbed wire now, but who will be next? Whenever you sit eating a good meal in the midst of a starving city in a handsome house requisitioned from some German, you find yourself wondering how it would feel to have a conqueror drinking out of your glasses. When you hear the tales of the brutalizing of women from the eastern frontier you think with a shudder of of those you love and cherish at home.

    That we are one world is unfortunately a brutal truth. Punishing the German people indiscriminately for the sins of their leader may be justice, but it is not helping to restore the rule of civilization. The terrible lesson of the events of this year of victory is that what is happening to the bulk of Europe today can happen to American tomorrow.

    In America we are still rich, we are still free to move from place to place and to talk to our friends without fear of the secret police. The time has come, for our own future security, to give the best we have to the world instead of the worst. So far as Europe is concerned, American leadership up to now has been obsessed with a fear of our own virtues. Winston Churchill expressed this state of mind brilliantly in a speech to his own people which applies even more accurately to the people of the U.S. “You must be prepared,” he warned them, “for further efforts of mind and body and further sacrifices to great causes, if you are not to fall back into the rut if inertia, the confusion of aim and the craven fear of being great.”
     
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    Yep, the libs have a long tradition of just being WRONG!
     
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    I would like to know when the last time libs were right about anything
     
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    The problem with the lib philosophies is that they are extremely short sighted. Lib ideas appear to resolve issues...at first. Then, over a long term, they usually end up being more harmful than they could imagine. I suspect that is because they are based on utopian ideals, which is fine as long as the entire population of the planet is utopian....unfortunately, there is always a "Hitler" or "Jack the Ripper" in the mix. In other words, there are always those people who will take advantage of those utopian ideals for selfish reasons...once that happens, the whole "solution" falls apart rather rapidly.
     
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    In my dealings with liberals, I have seen they all have one thing they all have in common:

    They believe good intentions are more important then actual results

    When will they understand good intentions mean nothing to terrorists?
     
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    Very good point; the thing they miss is that good intentions are meaningless if they dont lead to success. They can also get you killed.
     
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    I remember well during the 80's libs attacked Ronald Reagan for not giving in to the Soviets

    "He will start WWIII" was the liberal chant

    Through strength and standing tall, Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union

    All the libs got was a big s*** burger they had to eat

    Now in Iraq, libs are doing the same thing again. We are the problem, we are creating terrorists, we made them more angry by killing Zarqawi, bla,bla,bla

    Libs are a consistent bunch. The keep making the same mistakes over and over again
     
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    Liberal media? There is no such thing as I was told so on this very board! :rolleyes:
     
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    W.W. II and the war in Iraq are not analogous.

    America entered W.W. II after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Franklin Roosevelt told us, "We have nothing but fear itself to fear..." and then led this nation through the war against the Axis powers with our allies until his untimely death.

    Iraq was pawned off on the American public by the Bush Administration by capitalizing on the fear engendered by 9/11. It was a war of aggression launched against a nation which posed no credible threat, either to our shores or those of our allies. The 'evidence' for launching the war was sexed up, flawed, cherry-picked, fabricated intel.

    W.W. II was a just war, with clear goals and objectives. The war in Iraq has no such goals, unless you count the looting of the US treasury by the Bush family and its corporate cronies.

    In W.W. II, there was a clearly defined enemy...the fascist states of the Axis. With the war in Iraq, there are shadowy insurgents and foreign fighters who simply fade into the general populace.

    In W.W. II, war profiteers were punished. In Iraq, they are awarded further unbid contracts.

    In W.W. II, America knew what sahe had to do, and did it. With the war in Iraq and, by extension, the "war on terror" we are only faced with the prospect of interminable, unending war where good international police work would be far more effective.

    Attempts to draw analogies between W.W. II and the war in Iraq are doomed to failure. There is no valid comparison between the two aside from being armed conflicts.
     
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    What, or you freeze dried or what?

    Pawned off, WTF or you talking about?

    God, How do you people sleep at night?

    If, and I MEAN if, Iraq didn't pose a creditable threat, then NO nation in the last century has posed a threat. You may want to rethink that statement.

    Well, you and your compadries May think, that the war was one fabricated from thin air, but in reality, the thin air label is better worn by those trying their dam nest to find fault with our war against the terrorist.

    WWII was "just a war", damn man, you are really reaching tonight. NO war is "just a war". You may want to touch base with those that have given their life, they may want to enlighten you.

    As to your hang up on profits, and those that were involved in such profits, I'm sure there is a point, I just fail to find it. Please enlighten me.

    No attemp to draw analogies between ANY war is doomed to failure, why would you even attempt to say such a thing?

    Back to the drawing board young man, there may be hope for you yet.:bs1:
     

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