Liberal lies about national health care: First in a series

[ScreamingEagle]

Never stood in line at the DMV or to sign up for unemployment, have you??

I have (dmv), and one of the most efficient services I've ever encountered. In California you can get in and out in 5-10 minutes (depending on your needs), and it's all automated.

I wouldn't be surprised....California is signing up illegals as fast as they can come across the border...

 

[Truthmatters]

(1) National health care will punish the insurance companies.

(2) National health care will "increase competition and keep insurance companies honest" -- as President Barack Obama has said.

(3) Insurance companies are denying legitimate claims because they are "villains."

(4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" -- as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.

(5) Government intervention is the only way to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions.

To read why these are lies go to Welcome to AnnCoulter.com

I dont know why any thinking being would be interested in what Mann Cultwhore has to say.

Ah yes....another esoteric comment by another one of those "truth" liberals.....

If you think Mann Cultwhore speaks truth then you are braindead...or maybe a dinning table.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I dont know why any thinking being would be interested in what Mann Cultwhore has to say.

Ah yes....another esoteric comment by another one of those "truth" liberals.....

If you think Mann Cultwhore speaks truth then you are braindead...or maybe a dinning table.

Perhaps then you could easily point out why she isn't speaking the truth......let's take the first of her points....please point out the untruth in her reasoning...

(1) National health care will punish the insurance companies.

You want to punish insurance companies? Make them compete.

As Adam Smith observed, whenever two businessmen meet, "the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." That's why we need a third, fourth and 45th competing insurance company that will undercut them by offering better service at a lower price.

Tiny little France and Germany have more competition among health insurers than the U.S. does right now. Amazingly, both of these socialist countries have less state regulation of health insurance than we do, and you can buy health insurance across regional lines -- unlike in the U.S., where a federal law allows states to ban interstate commerce in health insurance.

U.S. health insurance companies are often imperious, unresponsive consumer hellholes because they're a partial monopoly, protected from competition by government regulation. In some states, one big insurer will control 80 percent of the market. (Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.)

Liberals think they can improve the problem of a partial monopoly by turning it into a total monopoly. That's what single-payer health care is: "Single payer" means "single provider."

It's the famous liberal two-step: First screw something up, then claim that it's screwed up because there's not enough government oversight (it's the free market run wild!), and then step in and really screw it up in the name of "reform."

You could fix 90 percent of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. But when John McCain called for ending the ban during the 2008 presidential campaign, he was attacked by Joe Biden -- another illustration of the ironclad Ann Coulter rule that the worst Republicans are still better than allegedly "conservative" Democrats.

 

[Oddball]

Perhaps then you could easily point out why she isn't speaking the truth......let's take the first of her points....please point out the untruth in her reasoning...

Meh!!

Ad homenims are much easier for those of the room temperature I.Q.

 

[Truthmatters]

The whole list comes right out of the Ass of Mann Cultwhore.

It is not anything Dems are saying

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Perhaps then you could easily point out why she isn't speaking the truth......let's take the first of her points....please point out the untruth in her reasoning...

Meh!!

Ad homenims are much easier for those of the room temperature I.Q.

That hot huh?

 

[Truthmatters]

So now that we have established that liberals have not said anything on that list I guess you will see just how dishonest Mann Cultwhore is huh?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The whole list comes right out of the Ass of Mann Cultwhore.

It is not anything Dems are saying

So now that we have established that liberals have not said anything on that list I guess you will see just how dishonest Mann Cultwhore is huh?

You haven't established a thing.....maybe you need to talk to Nancy babe.....and tell her to shut up about those "villainous/unethical/immoral" insurance companies she's ranting on....you wouldn't want her to do something like punish them now would you....'cause you know she would if she could....

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

July 30, 2009

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday ramped up her criticism of insurance companies, accusing them of unethical behavior and working to kill a plan to create a new government-run health plan.

"It's almost immoral what they are doing," Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. "Of course they've been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure," she said, adding, "They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening."

Reuters.com - World News, Financial News, Breaking US & International News

 

[rdean]

This "woman" is a proven liar and a shill, and people still listen to her? These are like comic book arguments. I read the first two and just thought... man, if people can't see how bad this reasoning is, we are in for some serious trouble.

You liberals just can't seem to get over Ann Coulter can you? She really galls you doesn't she? It must be for some good reason......oh.....I think I know.....you can't debate her....much too hard for you....therefore the insults come forth instead.....

Wrong!

I love Anne Coulter.

She's a body-slammin' babe.

 

[Truthmatters]

Where have you heard the quote Punish the insurance Cos?

If you truely think Mann Cultwhore is anything but a partisan hack with an adams apple then you are a partisan hack.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Where have you heard the quote Punish the insurance Cos?

If you truely think Mann Cultwhore is anything but a partisan hack with an adams apple then you are a partisan hack.

Your getting so anally literal just identifies you for the partisan hack you are...

 

[Old Rocks]

Nataline Sarkisyan, victim of a Bush "death panel"
Link
Excerpt:
Ms. Sarkysian had leukemia, and was admitted to a hospital for a bone marrow transplant. There were complications and her kidneys and liver failed. Her brother donated a kidney. She was ready for a liver transplant (a relatively routine procedure), but her insurance company would not approve the procedure by claiming it was "experimental". In other words, a bean counter at Cigna made the decision that since they had already shelled out a lot of cash for the bone marrow and kidney transplant, that the cost of a liver transplant and followup care was just too high. The bean counter at Cigna effectively sentenced Nataline Sarkisyan to death. Cigna eventually reversed course following a public outcry, but it was too late. She passed away the evening that Cigna finally agreed to cover her procedure.

All that may be true, but it's happening is a whole lot more rare than it will be once the government bureaucracy is in charge of decisions with a bent towards cost reductions.

Then how do you account for the fact that most of the countries with single payer systems have longer life spans than we do?

 

[Political Junky]

Nataline Sarkisyan, victim of a Bush "death panel"
Link
Excerpt:
Ms. Sarkysian had leukemia, and was admitted to a hospital for a bone marrow transplant. There were complications and her kidneys and liver failed. Her brother donated a kidney. She was ready for a liver transplant (a relatively routine procedure), but her insurance company would not approve the procedure by claiming it was "experimental". In other words, a bean counter at Cigna made the decision that since they had already shelled out a lot of cash for the bone marrow and kidney transplant, that the cost of a liver transplant and followup care was just too high. The bean counter at Cigna effectively sentenced Nataline Sarkisyan to death. Cigna eventually reversed course following a public outcry, but it was too late. She passed away the evening that Cigna finally agreed to cover her procedure.

All that may be true, but it's happening is a whole lot more rare than it will be once the government bureaucracy is in charge of decisions with a bent towards cost reductions.

Then how do you account for the fact that most of the countries with single payer systems have longer life spans than we do?

Oh my, they can't answer that.

 

[edthecynic]

Never stood in line at the DMV or to sign up for unemployment, have you??

I have (dmv), and one of the most efficient services I've ever encountered. In California you can get in and out in 5-10 minutes (depending on your needs), and it's all automated.

And UI is done over the "interweb." But I guess Dupe has to wait on line at the library to get on the computer.

 

[Old Rocks]

All that may be true, but it's happening is a whole lot more rare that it will be once the government bureaucracy is in charge of decisions with a bent towards cost reductions.

so YOU say........you can't demonstrate it though.

Anyone's experience with bureaus and government agencies will suffice to demonstrate that. If you have had limited experience in that realm, your skepticism is understandable.

Horse, my experiance in that last two months with Social Security versus private business. I applied for my SS, and had my first check within a week. I was also informed that I had a pension amount of $8600, that amount in 2002, due to me in a Davis-Bacon plan from a construction company I had worked for. I called them and was informed that it had 'grown' to just over $500 in their administered account. As in
$500, total.

Now who do you think I trust the most. The government that delivered exactly what they promised, or the 'capitlalists' that 'grew' that account to a minus 90% in seven years?

Two weeks before the Monday Meltdown, against advice, I withdrew all of my 401-K savings. The market is just back to about where it was when I withdrew my money. But most of the people that I work with still have very high negative growth rates in their 401-Ks.

 

[Oddball]

Never stood in line at the DMV or to sign up for unemployment, have you??

I have (dmv), and one of the most efficient services I've ever encountered. In California you can get in and out in 5-10 minutes (depending on your needs), and it's all automated.

And UI is done over the "interweb." But I guess Dupe has to wait on line at the library to get on the computer.

In case you hadn't read the history of the 'net, which is more than apparent, it was considered a complete failure and money pit until some guys out in the real world found out how to turn a buck off of it.

So, even when they create something relatively useful (by accident), bureaucrats still have NFI.

 

[jillian]

*yawn*

seems SE is still looking at the world from the fetal position he's curled up in in the darkness of his basement. I thought I heard screams of fear earlier.

 

[edthecynic]

Originally Posted by Dude Never stood in line at the DMV or to sign up for unemployment, have you??

I have (dmv), and one of the most efficient services I've ever encountered. In California you can get in and out in 5-10 minutes (depending on your needs), and it's all automated.

And UI is done over the "interweb." But I guess Dupe has to wait on line at the library to get on the computer.

In case you hadn't read the history of the 'net, which is more than apparent, it was considered a complete failure and money pit until some guys out in the real world found out how to turn a buck off of it.

So, even when they create something relatively useful (by accident), bureaucrats still have NFI.

And what exactly does that have to do with your false claim about standing on lines for UI benefits???? Other than the fact that as a Right wing extremist CON$ervative, spouting nothing but platitudes and and propaganda, you will never admit you are wrong, which is why CON$ make PERFECT Contrarian Indicators.

Before the net you reported by an automated phone system, again no lines.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

All that may be true, but it's happening is a whole lot more rare than it will be once the government bureaucracy is in charge of decisions with a bent towards cost reductions.

Then how do you account for the fact that most of the countries with single payer systems have longer life spans than we do?

Oh my, they can't answer that.

That really proves nothing about the quality of health care..... country life span statistics are dependent upon a lot of factors.....murders and accidents are in the mix.....the U.S. has a high rate of murder and life expectancy among our black population is quite low.....

Instead you might ask a more pertinent question....like how much faster and better our health care is compared to countries with socialized medicine....or like why is it exactly that Canadians come to the U.S. for heath care....?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

*yawn*

seems SE is still looking at the world from the fetal position he's curled up in in the darkness of his basement. I thought I heard screams of fear earlier.

Well if it isn't Jill the Pill....did you come to help out your flailing libtard coherts....or just to make your usual nasty sideswipes before you run away....?