Liberal Lies About Homeschooling

[editec]

Home schooling works, depending on the home.

 

[regent]

Certainly, all homeschooling is not the same, nor for the same purpose, nor with the same results, have any studies been done as yet on the whole issue of home schooling?
Is the purpose of home school to get a better education or to avoid certain concepts taught in public schools? At what grade level does the average home schooling stop, elementary, high school or college? Are other factors involved such as health, religion, behavior problems?

 

[Annie]

Fast Facts

 

[regent]

When one has no answer for problems, they come up with a slogan, an adage, a platitude and sit back and wait for it to work. We're still waiting for "Prosperity is just around the corner" to save us.

 

[Annie]

When one has no answer for problems, they come up with a slogan, an adage, a platitude and sit back and wait for it to work. We're still waiting for "Prosperity is just around the corner" to save us.

Perhaps you'd like to start another thread, one where you can talk to yourself? Please don't derail our discussion. Thank you!

 

[American_Jihad]

Liberal-Progressive Mind Control

By Thomas Brewton on Mar 9, 08


Socialism, of which liberal-progressivism is the American sect, is more than control of the economy. Most importantly it is mind-control through the public education system.



The Washington Times reports the latest liberal-progressive-socialist curtailment of personal freedom.



“California courts have held that under provisions in the Education Code, parents do not have a constitutional right to educate their children in their own home,” said the Feb. 28 ruling by the California Appellate Court for the second district.


When they wish to overrule long-standing political liberties, liberals look to precedents of so-called international law and other nations’ customs. The socialist European Union, and Germany specifically, provide ammunition for abrogating educational liberties.


Why the animus of liberal courts and teachers’ unions against home schooling?


The obvious answer is that home schooling does a better job, revealing the poor quality of public education. Less obvious is the desire of home-schooling parents to teach Judeo-Christian moral principles, which directly conflicts with the public school aim of teaching the secular religion of liberal-progressive-socialism. Propagating that mind-set necessitates identifying as ignorance all ideas of fixed and timeless moral principles.


Such was the work primarily of John Dewey, the leading liberal-progressive theoretician of the early 1900s. He taught Columbia University students that Darwinian evolution had proved that everything, including morality, was continually evolving. In such a world there can be no timeless principles of morality. Rules for social behavior are simply whatever intellectuals think they ought to be in matters of sexual orientation, sexual promiscuity, and every sort of sensual gratification.


Under the impact of such schooling, the traditional family unit is no longer the bedrock of society. The norm tends toward single-parent units. Home-schooling by parents in traditional families is, to that style of moral relativism, a direct affront.

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Liberal-progressive-socialism is a world paradigm in which greedy capitalists become rich by grinding workers down to bare-subsistence levels of income, while forcing the workers to buy whatever products they produce, at whatever prices they elect to charge. Hence the endless harping in the New York Times about income inequality.


In that paradigm, social justice demands that the undeservedly rich capitalists be expropriated, either by seizing their property and placing it under collective ownership, or by imposing a multitude of regulations that convey the rights of ownership to the political state. This is known as socialization.


The most important element of liberal-progressive-socialism, however, is control of the educational system. Henri de Saint-Simon, who systematically conceptualized socialism in the first decades of the 19th century, wrote that the educational system must be controlled by the highest level of the political state’s intellectual councils, so that nothing other than the doctrine of socialism may be taught.

The View From 1776 | The View From 1776 | Liberal-Progressive Mind Control

 

[American_Jihad]

Homeschooled and Now Without a Home to School In?​

by Mark Looy
April 29, 2013

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The entire Romeike family of Germany (with attorney Michael Donnelly at the far right) visited the Creation Museum last week, and Uwe Romeike, the father, spoke to the AiG staff.​

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In a Cincinnati courtroom on Tuesday, the room was full to overflowing with homeschool families and others. They heard Michael Farris of the HSLDA argue in front of three federal judges that the Romeike case was about whether or not the U.S. government believes “that the freedom to homeschool is something that can be coercively changed and whether Germany’s values should dictate our values.”2 After the hearing, Farris indicated there were some “tough questions” posed by the judges, adding that it is hard to predict how they will rule. It may be several months before a decision is handed down.

In the name of creating national unity, Germany does not permit parents to home educate their children. (Some other European countries also restrict that right, which is protected in the United States—for now.) Remarkably, Obama Administration attorneys are arguing that Germany is not violating anyone’s civil rights so long as no one is allowed to homeschool. Put another way, everyone is restricted equally. The Supreme Court of Germany has determined that the government must “counteract the development of religious and philosophically motivated parallel societies.”3 This unusual phrase “parallel societies” came up during oral arguments in Cincinnati last week. The German government is virtually mandating homogeneity in education. In other words, Germany is seeking to prohibit people who think differently from the government from becoming an influence in society. In 2007, the German high court ruled that parents could even lose child custody if they homeschooled their children.4

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Homeschooled and Now Without a Home to School In? - Answers in Genesis

 

[editec]

Many liberals I know DO homeschool, Lad...some of those people ARE public school teachers, too

CLEARLY you have been misinformed about liberals.

 

[Annie]

Where were the lies? I missed them? It is rather funny that public education is indoctrination but being subjected to the viewpoint of one person is not? If you want to raise a non thinking robot, control their experiences and social contacts and then you can indoctrinate them fully and completely. If you want to create mindless people, feed them your hangups and prejudices and then claim they know all there is to know. Then send the child out into a world of different cultures, people, and beliefs armed with the limits of your head. Should be an interesting experiment, they may wonder at all the different things there are in the world.

One of the primary complaints teachers today have of students is a lack of respect both for learning and for people, including the teachers. American society after WWII turned back to the individual and away from a more social society. We lost our neighborhoods through sprawl and created unease and waste through dependence on carbon fuels. It is a curious irony that the nations we defeated in WW2 moved closer to a social worldview while we again strayed into narcissism and isolation. For me home schooling (HS) is an aberration - not necessarily bad - that is often religious based, similar to the Amish or to Islamic fundamentalists. If the home is a place in which image and reality are matched, and the parents serve as examples then HS is already done and life in the real world becomes an alternate universe in which one recognizes the other and learns cooperation and tolerance.

"I realize that many of you will not agree with me on this topic. This is strictly my opinion and I hope you will take it as just that, an opinion. I was brought up in the public school system and have found very few faults with it. My children will attend the public school system. I don’t think it failed me and I don’t believe it will fail them either." Homeschooling...bad or good?!? - What Should I Know About Homeschooling? - Epinions.com

4. More opportunities in public school. I have never heard of a homeschooling program that had classes such as photography, auto mechanics, journalism, etc. Some of these classes are ones that can build a career for some students. Homeschool students are never exposed to these type of classes and, therefore, never have a real chance to learn some of these things. I don’t personally know of any homeschooled students who have not gone on to college. For those who don’t go to college, it seems that the job market is a little smaller for them than a student of the public schools because of these specialized classes." from above link

All I can glean from the bolded is that the writer knows little about homeschooling. One of the reasons many parents choose to homeschool is the time available to the child to pursue their interests. A quick search of the web turns up links found below:

Homeschool Photography Contest and Free Online Photography Classes - Fort Wayne Homeschooling | Examiner.com

Auto Upkeep Homeschool Curriculum ? Automotive Course ? Car Care Program ? Homeschooling Elective

Homeschooling Boys! - Carpentry and Housebuilding for Children - HomeschoolingBOYS.com: Character Training for Christian Home School Education: Homeschool, home school, homeschool curriculum, homeschooling, raising sons, christian parenting, charlott

Homeschooling and Cows: Learning Through Animal Husbandry - Technorati Family

 

[American_Jihad]

Many liberals I know DO homeschool, Lad...some of those people ARE public school teachers, too

CLEARLY you have been misinformed about liberals.

You have a problem with a lot of authors remember I "cut-n-paste". I am more than happy to be the flame to you're moth or just stuck in yo craw or get you all wee weed up. Salunsky rule #6...

 

[rightwinger]

Homeschool kids are brainwashed

 

[strollingbones]

i love talking to home school kids.....esp when they tell me they are home teached....lol

i would hate to think that i am so smart i could cover all the subjects needed to teach a child....there are great extreme examples of home schooled kids doing very well but they are not the norm

 

[American_Jihad]

Homeschool kids are brainwashed

You mean the many liberals editec knows are brainwashed, Oh My...

 

[rightwinger]

i love talking to home school kids.....esp when they tell me they are home teached....lol

i would hate to think that i am so smart i could cover all the subjects needed to teach a child....there are great extreme examples of home schooled kids doing very well but they are not the norm

Why do people homeschool?

Is it because they want a better education for their children or because they do not want them exposed to a certain "element" in public schools?

 

[strollingbones]

here its mostly for religious reasons.....i have a friend who home schools all 4 of her kids...unfortunately she is a bit undereducated herself....but she has that bible to thump at them...so all is well

 

[Annie]

i love talking to home school kids.....esp when they tell me they are home teached....lol

i would hate to think that i am so smart i could cover all the subjects needed to teach a child....there are great extreme examples of home schooled kids doing very well but they are not the norm

Homeschools, like the public and private schools have the same ability to supplement curriculum with software and online resources such as Khan Academy. Are all homeschools performing at the same level? No. Neither are the public and private schools. Independent studies are finding though that not only on average are homeschooled students performing above the national average, the gap is growing...

HSLDA | Academic Statistics on Homeschooling

 

[editec]

i love talking to home school kids.....esp when they tell me they are home teached....lol

i would hate to think that i am so smart i could cover all the subjects needed to teach a child....there are great extreme examples of home schooled kids doing very well but they are not the norm

Why do people homeschool?

Is it because they want a better education for their children or because they do not want them exposed to a certain "element" in public schools?

Why not both?

This homeschooling issue has nothing to do with the liberal v conservative issue.

It was LIBERALS here in Maine that changed the laws to make homeschooling legal.

That is my objection to the TITLE in this thread.

It invites more clueless partisan nonsense all based on a great big fat lie.

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[strollingbones]

it is easy here to 'perform against national averages' when they dont test to age but 2 years or so behind the age....ie 12 yr olds are given tests for 5 th grade?

 

[strollingbones]

and they teach total bible bullshit to the kids....dinosaurs and men shared the earth...the earth is only so many years old...the list just goes on and on

 

[rightwinger]

here its mostly for religious reasons.....i have a friend who home schools all 4 of her kids...unfortunately she is a bit undereducated herself....but she has that bible to thump at them...so all is well

I agree that most do it for religious reasons
Others do not want their kids in a school full of darkies, Mexicans and fags
Others don't want them "Libruls" near their kids

The common thread is to raise children who are indoctrinated in one belief and are shielded from ideas their parents are afraid of