Liberal Intellectual Elite ("LIE")

[geauxtohell]

The "study" was nothing more than the result you would have got if you put the RNC in charge of investigating Watergate.

C'mon...You're way more intellectually honest than this.

Like I said, Dude, dismissing everything that refutes your personal opinion as a conspiracy isn't terribly inspiring.

You are either stupid or have chosen to ignore reality. If we put BP in charge of determining what happened in the Gulf, what do you think the findings would be?

Here's an idea:

Instead of resorting to idiotic ad hominem against the investigators, why not address the actual findings of the report?

 

[MIPS]

That is what happens to idiots who refuse to educate themselves try to make sense of republican talking points

I'm curious -- what's your educational background?

what's YOURS?

Aha,,, the old saying is true, A Sea Dogs bark is worse than a Sea Dogs bite , the question still remains whether they have the memory of an elephant or that of a penguin.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Like I said, Dude, dismissing everything that refutes your personal opinion as a conspiracy isn't terribly inspiring.

You are either stupid or have chosen to ignore reality. If we put BP in charge of determining what happened in the Gulf, what do you think the findings would be?

Here's an idea:

Instead of resorting to idiotic ad hominem against the investigators, why not address the actual findings of the report?

You mean like you have in the rebuttal?

 

[geauxtohell]

You are either stupid or have chosen to ignore reality. If we put BP in charge of determining what happened in the Gulf, what do you think the findings would be?

Here's an idea:

Instead of resorting to idiotic ad hominem against the investigators, why not address the actual findings of the report?

You mean like you have in the rebuttal?

That would require you guys to first provide an actual rebuttal.

Like I said, simply going ad hominem against the investigators simply tosses you in the conspiracy zone.

It's weak, but I didn't expect much better from you guys.

Such tactics might have worked for O.J. with Mark Furman. They won't work with most people.

 

[edthecynic]

ahahahahahahahahqah


That shit ai nt going to fly the next time you need to spew hate on science, history and higher edcuation to retain your flawed and failed ideas now is it?

I, for one, welcome any members to the "keep Science pure" club. We can use them.

It would have been nice if they found their sense of outrage during the Intelligent Design debate, but if global warming is what floats their boat, then whatever.

BTW, did you see that the "Climategate" scientists were cleared of any dishonesty?

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - 'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com Blogs

I am sure there was a thread about it here, I was just busy that day.

I'll venture to guess that the people who cleared the scientists were in on the conspiracy too.

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?

Lord Oxburgh, a member of the House of Lords, chaired the first investigation. His bias and self-interest is barefaced and makes his appointment shameless in its temerity. He is chairman of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association, which believes carbon capture is potentially a trillion dollar industry. As James Delingpole reports “Oxburgh has paid directorships of two renewable energy companies, and is a paid advisor to Climate Change Capital, the Low Carbon Initiative, Evo-Electric, Fujitsu, and an environmental advisor to Deutsche Bank. Last month we revealed that Oxburgh had failed to declare his directorship of GLOBE, an international network of legislators with ties to the Club of Rome.” It’s as if they said who stands to gain the most by whitewashing what happened. The Club of Rome connection is most telling, because I have documented their role in initiating, identifying, and pursuing CO2 as the basis of capitalist destruction of the planet.

Oxburgh was appointed by UEA whose Pro-Vice Chancellor Professor Trevor Davies said he believed he would lead the investigation “in an utterly objective way.” We now know this means the objectivity was to ensure the false science claiming CO2 was causing global warming would be objectively maintained.

UEA consulted the Royal Society in selecting Oxburgh. They blithely ignored the fact he is a Fellow of the Society and that it had a track record heavily biased to supporting the false science of the CRU and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. (IPCC). The Society also ‘recommended’ the eleven academic papers to be considered. When Steve McIntyre, who was instrumental in exposing some of the major scientific falsehoods and deceptions exposed by the emails, asked Oxburgh, “a few simple questions about the terms of reference and documentation of this “inquiry”” he received remarkable answers that he summarized as follows; “The net result, as you will see, is that Oxburgh says that they have no documents evidencing the terms of reference of the inquiry or the selection of the eleven papers, no notes, transcripts or other documentation of the interviews with CRU employees and Oxburgh refused consent for panelists to directly provide me with any notes that they might have taken.”

Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

 

[daveman]

Still, you can't ignore that a lot of the rhetoric coming out of the right these days is anti-education....

Being in favor of vouchers or outright privatization of the education system is not anti-education, not matter how loudly the DoE, NEA and AFT educrat freaks screech and howl.

That's not what I was referring to.

Rather, I was talking about the aversion to the legitimacy and merits of higher education and viewing a Ph.D. as a pejorative matter and not an indication of a degree of expertise in a field.

"The charge is often made against the intelligentsia and other members of the anointed that their theories and the policies based on them lack common sense. But the very commonness of common sense makes it unlikely to have any appeal to the anointed. How can they be wiser and nobler than everyone else while agreeing with everyone else?"
--Thomas Sowell

“Perhaps the ugliest side of professors is the conviction that specialized knowledge about a few narrow subjects confers intellectual and moral authority on matters about which one knows almost nothing. How is it possible, we wonder, that students who do not share our fascination with the English Civil War and Marxism can somehow also be intelligent and ethical people? How is it that we are not consulted in matters of grave national importance? If the world will not come to us for wisdom, then we will stand aloof and make a world for ourselves where we can torment each other, like Milton’s vision of hell, while the rest of the world goes about the business of living, unconcerned with the petty disputes that cost many of us any possibility of happiness.”
--Thomas H. Benton

 

[geauxtohell]

I, for one, welcome any members to the "keep Science pure" club. We can use them.

It would have been nice if they found their sense of outrage during the Intelligent Design debate, but if global warming is what floats their boat, then whatever.

BTW, did you see that the "Climategate" scientists were cleared of any dishonesty?

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - 'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com Blogs

I am sure there was a thread about it here, I was just busy that day.

I'll venture to guess that the people who cleared the scientists were in on the conspiracy too.

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?

Lord Oxburgh, a member of the House of Lords, chaired the first investigation. His bias and self-interest is barefaced and makes his appointment shameless in its temerity. He is chairman of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association, which believes carbon capture is potentially a trillion dollar industry. As James Delingpole reports “Oxburgh has paid directorships of two renewable energy companies, and is a paid advisor to Climate Change Capital, the Low Carbon Initiative, Evo-Electric, Fujitsu, and an environmental advisor to Deutsche Bank. Last month we revealed that Oxburgh had failed to declare his directorship of GLOBE, an international network of legislators with ties to the Club of Rome.” It’s as if they said who stands to gain the most by whitewashing what happened. The Club of Rome connection is most telling, because I have documented their role in initiating, identifying, and pursuing CO2 as the basis of capitalist destruction of the planet.

Oxburgh was appointed by UEA whose Pro-Vice Chancellor Professor Trevor Davies said he believed he would lead the investigation “in an utterly objective way.” We now know this means the objectivity was to ensure the false science claiming CO2 was causing global warming would be objectively maintained.

UEA consulted the Royal Society in selecting Oxburgh. They blithely ignored the fact he is a Fellow of the Society and that it had a track record heavily biased to supporting the false science of the CRU and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. (IPCC). The Society also ‘recommended’ the eleven academic papers to be considered. When Steve McIntyre, who was instrumental in exposing some of the major scientific falsehoods and deceptions exposed by the emails, asked Oxburgh, “a few simple questions about the terms of reference and documentation of this “inquiry”” he received remarkable answers that he summarized as follows; “The net result, as you will see, is that Oxburgh says that they have no documents evidencing the terms of reference of the inquiry or the selection of the eleven papers, no notes, transcripts or other documentation of the interviews with CRU employees and Oxburgh refused consent for panelists to directly provide me with any notes that they might have taken.”

Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

D'OH!

Hey, remember when the tobacco companies used to pay dishonest Doctors to say that cigarettes were good for people and not oncogenic?

Some people believed them. It didn't change the science of the matter though.

 

[Oddball]

I, for one, welcome any members to the "keep Science pure" club. We can use them.

It would have been nice if they found their sense of outrage during the Intelligent Design debate, but if global warming is what floats their boat, then whatever.

BTW, did you see that the "Climategate" scientists were cleared of any dishonesty?

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - 'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com Blogs

I am sure there was a thread about it here, I was just busy that day.

I'll venture to guess that the people who cleared the scientists were in on the conspiracy too.

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?

Lord Oxburgh, a member of the House of Lords, chaired the first investigation. His bias and self-interest is barefaced and makes his appointment shameless in its temerity. He is chairman of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association, which believes carbon capture is potentially a trillion dollar industry. As James Delingpole reports “Oxburgh has paid directorships of two renewable energy companies, and is a paid advisor to Climate Change Capital, the Low Carbon Initiative, Evo-Electric, Fujitsu, and an environmental advisor to Deutsche Bank. Last month we revealed that Oxburgh had failed to declare his directorship of GLOBE, an international network of legislators with ties to the Club of Rome.” It’s as if they said who stands to gain the most by whitewashing what happened. The Club of Rome connection is most telling, because I have documented their role in initiating, identifying, and pursuing CO2 as the basis of capitalist destruction of the planet.

Oxburgh was appointed by UEA whose Pro-Vice Chancellor Professor Trevor Davies said he believed he would lead the investigation “in an utterly objective way.” We now know this means the objectivity was to ensure the false science claiming CO2 was causing global warming would be objectively maintained.

UEA consulted the Royal Society in selecting Oxburgh. They blithely ignored the fact he is a Fellow of the Society and that it had a track record heavily biased to supporting the false science of the CRU and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. (IPCC). The Society also ‘recommended’ the eleven academic papers to be considered. When Steve McIntyre, who was instrumental in exposing some of the major scientific falsehoods and deceptions exposed by the emails, asked Oxburgh, “a few simple questions about the terms of reference and documentation of this “inquiry”” he received remarkable answers that he summarized as follows; “The net result, as you will see, is that Oxburgh says that they have no documents evidencing the terms of reference of the inquiry or the selection of the eleven papers, no notes, transcripts or other documentation of the interviews with CRU employees and Oxburgh refused consent for panelists to directly provide me with any notes that they might have taken.”

Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

Ad hominem.

Is what Ball reported factual or not?

 

[Oddball]

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?



Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

D'OH!

Hey, remember when the tobacco companies used to pay dishonest Doctors to say that cigarettes were good for people and not oncogenic?

Some people believed them. It didn't change the science of the matter though.

Non sequitur.

Is what Ball reported factual or not?

 

[geauxtohell]

Ad hominem.

Is what he reported factual or not?

So that matters now?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?



Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

D'OH!

Hey, remember when the tobacco companies used to pay dishonest Doctors to say that cigarettes were good for people and not oncogenic?

Some people believed them. It didn't change the science of the matter though.

Wait? let me get this right.... Dude is talking conspiracy but YOU are not. The entire argument used by the warmist has been that ANY data that disagreed with them was cooked, that any person that disagreed with them was on the payroll of big oil. All with zero evidence and zero backing. And here you are repeating it while claiming the other side is nuts.

You are dismissed.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

One must remember the I part is and can be all in the head of the LIE. They THINK they are smarter, they think they are better.

How do you tell a LIE? When they utter comments like, I know best, we know best, the Government knows best. Or, we only want to help you by taking away your rights. We know how best to regulate your life and future. It is for your own good we have taken away this or that right.

Yeah....let's HEAR it, for STATES' Rights (...seeing-as-how that lil' experiment worked so well, in the past; for the ill-educated, by the ill-educated)!!!!!

​

 

[Oddball]

Ad hominem.

Is what he reported factual or not?

So that matters now?

Absolutely.

What would you have said had the RNC been put in charge of investigating Watergate?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ad hominem.

Is what he reported factual or not?

So that matters now?

Not to you while you try to character assassinate and lie your way out of trouble.

 

[geauxtohell]

Wait? let me get this right.... Dude is talking conspiracy but YOU are not. The entire argument used by the warmist has been that ANY data that disagreed with them was cooked, that any person that disagreed with them was on the payroll of big oil. All with zero evidence and zero backing. And here you are repeating it while claiming the other side is nuts.

Apparently this went over your noggin. Ball lied on his C.V. It's documented. Pointing that out and then further questioning if anything he says is truthful is not an ad hominem attack. There is a legitimate fact pattern to work off of as opposed to simply attacking a person.

You are dismissed.

Yeah, whatever.

 

[geauxtohell]

Ad hominem.

Is what he reported factual or not?

So that matters now?

Absolutely.

What would you have said had the RNC been put in charge of investigating Watergate?

Then we part ways over this matter. If you want to actually refute the findings with something more tangible then claiming that the investigators are in on the conspiracy, then I'll listen.

As it stands, I do not think that merely attacking the authors is a credible argument.

 

[rikules]

One must remember the I part is and can be all in the head of the LIE. They THINK they are smarter, they think they are better.

How do you tell a LIE? When they utter comments like, I know best, we know best, the Government knows best. Or, we only want to help you by taking away your rights. We know how best to regulate your life and future. It is for your own good we have taken away this or that right.

"They THINK they are smarter, they think they are better."

but
but
don't conservatives think liberals are stupid?

don't conservatives consistantly claim that THEY are smarter than liberals?

don't conservatives keep claiming that liberals are
immoral
scum
nazis
anti-freedom?

and when conservatives say those things aren't they essentially saying;

cons are SMARTER
cons are BETTER?

don't YOU think you are smarter and better than liberals?

so
aren't you essentially accusing your enemies of your own crimes?

now
I'll confess
that I think I am better than you.

I'm a nice, sane and rational person

while you are a mean, rotten, ignorant hatefilled scumbag

as are so many conservatives

 

[geauxtohell]

Ad hominem.

Is what he reported factual or not?

So that matters now?

Not to you while you try to character assassinate and lie your way out of trouble.

Oh, there is the "L" word again.

What have I "lied" about?

 

[The T]

In this form of government? The Government acts at the behest of the people when called upon by them. Not just willy-nilly enacting law for nefarious purposes of Social experimentation based upon political agendas, and control of the people.

That flies in the face of the intent of the founding of this Republic.

Oh Tank Engine. It's so amusing to watch you claim a special dispensation in knowing what the founders wanted.

Been playing with the Ouija Board again?

Keep prattling on. Ever read The Federalist Papers? Quotes from the men that put it all together?

Of course not. Otherwise you wouln't have made such an ignorant, shallow comment.

 

[edthecynic]

Speaking of dishonesty, did ole Anderson Cooper happen to point out these little facts?



Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults

Author of the piece:

“Dr. Tim Ball is a renowned environmental consultant and former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. Dr. Ball employs his extensive background in climatology and other fields as an advisor to the International Climate Science Coalition, Friends of Science and the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.”

Well Dupe, you sure know how to pick 'em.

Richard Littlemore | Dr. Tim Ball: The Lie that Just Won't Die

The deathless and - in many specific respects - completely fictional meanderings of Dr. Tim Ball have begun appearing again on right-wing blogs all over the net. At City Troll, at Convenient Untruth and at New Orleans Lady, the same tired and retreaded old climate rant paints Dr. Ball as the courageous victim of a plot to silence a well-meaning skeptic.

But Ball can't even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious "doctor of science" that Ball claims in these articles.

He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

Ad hominem.

Is what Ball reported factual or not?

It's as factual and credible as Ball being a professor of Climatology.