Liberal, Conservatives, and Libertarians...

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    Is there really a difference between these political philosophy when you separate the progressive idealogy from them? I'm convinced that once you take the communist out of all of these groups that all of these groups will probably find a lot of common ground with each other.
     
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    I think it's a question of valuing liberty vs valuing equality. So many liberals, progressive or more traditional, tend to see any inequality as something to be corrected through governmental action with the goal being the improvement of the social order. They are big on class differences.

    Conservatives remain suspicious of government involvement and see it as an encroachment on liberty, while understanding there will be inevitable disparities.

    Then there are the cutting edge issues, like abortion, taxes, the role of the US in world affairs. These tend to break down along liberal and conservative beliefs. Removing progressives from the spectrum wouldn't change the nature of discourse all that much.
     
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    The OP asks a stupid question. Liberalism and Libertarianism are ideologies. 'Conservatism' refers to no ideology, only support for the current or old system, whatever it might be.
     
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    Oh my! :eek:
     
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    I'm beginning to see the difference between democrats and democrats and republicans and republicans. Some democrats are full blown communist while some conservatives are just as communist in other ways Ronald Reagen and Blue Dog democrats can probably agree with each other politically.
     
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    If you take the progressive out of each group you end up with real american values that they all share. IMO There are very few, if any, progressives in the libertarian ranks....the tenants of libertarianism run counter to progressivism.
     
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    I look at it less and less as right vs. left or lib vs. con and more at liberty/free markets vs. statism/corporatism/tyranny , both left and right want bigger government, just a different type, even some of the "State's Rights" people seem to be ok with power at the state level and state/local government can be just as abusive;if not more so; as the Federal govt.
     
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    Sorry ihopehefails but you're in need of some significant edification with respect to political philosophy if you believe that progressives and libertarians have anything in common from a philosophical standpoint. As far as liberalism goes the word has been so bastardized by American Progressives that it has lost nearly all of it's original meaning and had it's history made murky by progressive historical revisionism.

    The specifics of conservatism as a philosophy are even murkier because it depends on who you talk to and where they are coming from, for example European "Conservatives" often have a very different outlook than American "Conservatives", while (American) "Southern" Conservatives often have very different priorities than (American) "Paleo" Conservatives. Of course this confusion isn't helped by the fact that libertarians often get lumped in with conservatives in the popular lexicon as well (when in fact libertarians are closer kin to true (classical) liberals).

    I suggest you start here, should illuminate some of these points for you.
    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Libertarianism-Primer-David-Boaz/dp/068484768X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266437238&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: Libertarianism: A Primer (9780684847689): David Boaz: Books[/ame]
     
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    What is The Libertarian Party? www.lp.com
    The Libertarian Party is my representative in American politics. It is the only political organization which respects you as a unique and competent individual.

    America's Heritage:
    Libertarians believe in the American heritage of liberty, enterprise, and personal responsibility. Libertarians recognize the responsibility we all share to preserve this precious heritage for our children and grandchildren.

    Free and Independent:
    Libertarians believe that being free and independent is a great way to live. We want a system which encourages all people to choose what they want from life; that lets them live, love, work, play, and dream their own way.

    Caring For People:
    The Libertarian way is a caring, people-centered approach to politics. We believe each individual is unique. We want a system which respects the individual and encourages us to discover the best within ourselves and develop our full potential.

    Principled; Consistent:
    The Libertarian way is a logically consistent approach to politics based on the moral principle of self-ownership. Each individual has the right to control his or her own body, action, speech, and property. Government's only role is to help individuals defend themselves from force and fraud.

    Tolerant:
    The Libertarian Party is for all who don't want to push other people around and don't want to be pushed around themselves. Live and let live is the Libertarian way.
     
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    Don't confuse the Libertarian Party with libertarians, while I find the LP in some ways a good organization (having working extensively on campaigns for state and local LP candidates with many positive experiences), the National Party tends to be a bit schizophrenic and confrontational.
     

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