Liberal Compassion?

[Dr Grump]

Yeah, sure thing. "Elective" surgery covers a whole lot of ground. There are many people who have suffered greatly because they have had to wait for "elective" surgery. Many get to wait until it is "life threatening" before they get care.

Wake up from your dream dude. Competitive medical care is the only way to go. It's what has made U.S. medical care the best in the world (before the HMOs and the illegals took over).

I disagree. I'm quite happy with our medical system, which is up there with the best in the world.

I do agree there are some elective surgeries are more urgent in that people are in a lot of pain - hip and knee replacements come to mind.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I disagree. I'm quite happy with our medical system, which is up there with the best in the world.

I do agree there are some elective surgeries are more urgent in that people are in a lot of pain - hip and knee replacements come to mind.

I suppose you'll be happy then when you are 72 and they cut off your pain shots too for your back pain - like what happened to that old lady in England. *great service*

 

[Dr Grump]

I suppose you'll be happy then when you are 72 and they cut off your pain shots too for your back pain - like what happened to that old lady in England.

hey, we can all quote medical misadventure etc in any country. Or where patients have been treated like crap. Want me to google the US?

http://www.wnho.net/deathbymedicine.htm

 

[ScreamingEagle]

hey, we can all quote medical misadventure etc in any country. Or where patients have been treated like crap. Want me to google the US?

http://www.wnho.net/deathbymedicine.htm

Prove that England is any better.

Also much of the complaints in the U.S. seem to be due to too much medical care such as unnecessary surgeries. I'd rather there be too much than too little.

Nice way to avoid my question...what will you do when you're 72 and they cut off your pain shots...ah, the liberal compassion....when it's you and not somebody else you don't know...will you just smile and continue to admire your great socialized medical program?

 

[red states rule]

Prove that England is any better.

Also much of the complaints in the U.S. seem to be due to too much medical care such as unnecessary surgeries. I'd rather there be too much than too little.

Nice way to avoid my question...what will you do when you're 72 and they cut off your pain shots...ah, the liberal compassion....when it's you and not somebody else you don't know...will you just smile and continue to admire your great socialized medical program?

Who the hell wants to live in England? Insane taxes, libs running the entire country, Police on the beat without guns, antique plumbing, and to much damn fog!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Who the hell wants to live in England? Insane taxes, libs running the entire country, Police on the beat without guns, antique plumbing, and to much damn fog!

Evidently the Dr. does...maybe that's why his name is Grump...

(or does he live down under?)

 

[red states rule]

Evidently the Dr. does...maybe that's why his name is Grump...

(or does he live down under?)

If I had to live in that pitiful little island nation I would be a grump to

 

[Vintij]

Disney is not liberal you idiots, this has nothing to do with politics. Disney is a PRIVATE COMPANY just trying to make money like all other free market companys in the united states. How can a conservative argue on this, yet dominate the free market with oil....etc How can liberals argue with this if disney donates millions of dollars a year to childrens hospitals and foundations galore.

The way i see it, this is just stupid.....Its like saying lets build low income housing on the las vegas strip next to the MGM grand and the Belagio.

It wont be low income if its next to disneyland first of all, these people are trying to save money not spend it on amusment parks. It will cause congestion on the streets, and it may endanger children....seeing as a sex offender might post up a few hundred bucks for the down payment, and have a field day with these kids. Its supposed to be the happiest place on earth, not the sexiest place on earth.

Secondly, there is plenty of open space in anaheim to build low income housing, why choose next to Disneyland where the prices to get a fucking coke are 8$ in the downtown district!

We get the most tourists in the country coming through disneyland each year and they want to put some cheap apartments right smack in the middle of it? Why not take advantage of the TOURISM. Why not a little competition, like a hotel or two? Or a 6 flags? Tourism drives this state, all we need is a way to make some of it go back to the community. Maybe taxing disney?

Anyway im sure both sides will settle, with something called MONEY.

 

[red states rule]

Disney is not liberal you idiots, this has nothing to do with politics. Disney is a PRIVATE COMPANY just trying to make money like all other free market companys in the united states. How can a conservative argue on this, yet dominate the free market with oil....etc How can liberals argue with this if disney donates millions of dollars a year to childrens hospitals and foundations galore.

The way i see it, this is just stupid.....Its like saying lets build low income housing on the las vegas strip next to the MGM grand.

It wont be low income if its next to disneyland first of all, these people are trying to save money not spend it on amusment parks.

Secondly, there is plenty of open space in anaheim to build low income housing, why choose next to Disney where the prices to get a fucking coke are 8 dollars in downtown disney!

We get the most tourists in the country coming through disneyland each year and you want to put some cheap apartments right smack in the middle of it? Why not take advantage of the TOURISM. Why not a little competition, like a hotel or two? Or a 6 flags? Tourism drives this state, all we need is a way to make some of it go back to the community. That i do not have the answer for. Maybe taxing disney?

As I pointed out, and you ignored, former Sen Mitchell is the one opposing the construction. Disney is very liberal - much like the Hollywood and entertainment industry

It proves once again that libs talk a good game, lecturing America how they should help the "poor". How we should not be stingy and pay a liitle more in taxes to end poverty. How we need to lower our standard of living for the "common good". BUT, when libs have to actually do somethin, other then talk, they fold up like a cheap suit

 

[Dr Grump]

Prove that England is any better.

Also much of the complaints in the U.S. seem to be due to too much medical care such as unnecessary surgeries. I'd rather there be too much than too little.

Nice way to avoid my question...what will you do when you're 72 and they cut off your pain shots...ah, the liberal compassion....when it's you and not somebody else you don't know...will you just smile and continue to admire your great socialized medical program?

Are you telling me that with medical insurance and all, every American who needs surgery right now can get it? There are enough doctors, nurses and specialists to do ALL elective surgery right this minute?

 

[red states rule]

Are you telling me that with medical insurance and all, every American who needs surgery right now can get it? There are enough doctors, nurses and specialists to do ALL elective surgery right this minute?

Question

Who the hell is going to PAY for health care for every American? I sure as hell do not want to see already huge tax bill go higher by paying for sombody elses health care.

 

[Vintij]

As I pointed out, and you ignored, former Sen Mitchell is the one opposing the construction. Disney is very liberal - much like the Hollywood and entertainment industry

It proves once again that libs talk a good game, lecturing America how they should help the "poor". How we should not be stingy and pay a liitle more in taxes to end poverty. How we need to lower our standard of living for the "common good". BUT, when libs have to actually do somethin, other then talk, they fold up like a cheap suit

Sen Mitchell is right, but its not based on his political views, its based on common sense. Disney already donates the most money in the state, why not keep that donation going by making that area of anaheim based on tourism? He knows that, (though it goes against his liberal stance) this low income housing idea is selfish and will only help a few people rather than the state as a whole.

You are right about his flip flop ideology, but almost all liberals are flip flop. I have not heard his position on poverty or anything, and being a liberal does not mean he should automatically oppose of certain things. Just like being conservative does not mean you approve of the war.

This, i do not believe is about politics though, i believe it is more personal and about money.

This event does not belong in a political arena, just like the wealth of conservatives does not either.

 

[Dr Grump]

Question

Who the hell is going to PAY for health care for every American? I sure as hell do not want to see already huge tax bill go higher by paying for sombody elses health care.

What is your overall current tax rate - state and federal combined?

 

[red states rule]

Sen Mitchell is right, but its not based on his political views, its based on common sense. Disney already donates the most money in the state, why not keep that donation going by making that area of anaheim based on tourism? He knows that, (though it goes against his liberal stance) this low income housing idea is selfish and will only help a few people rather than the state as a whole.

You are right about his flip flop ideology, but almost all liberals are flip flop. I have not heard his position on poverty or anything, and being a liberal does not mean he should automatically oppose of certain things. Just like being conservative does not mean you approve of the war.

This, i do not believe is about politics though, i believe it is more personal and about money.

This event does not belong in a political arena, just like the wealth of conservatives does not either.

I can give you his views on poverty. It is the same as most libs. They believe We should not be shelfish and be willing to pay more in taxes. They believe WE should be willing to pay more for the common good. They believe if WE would be willing to give back our tax cuts poverty can be ended.

Libs believe in the use of OPM to accomplish these lofty goals

OPM = Other People's Money

 

[red states rule]

What is your overall current tax rate - state and federal combined?

About 60%

 

[Dr Grump]

About 60%

I'll rephrase. Income Tax...

 

[red states rule]

I'll rephrase. Income Tax...

Oh, the amount of my taxes threw you for a loop?

I know libs think ATM fees are to high but taxes are to low

 

[Dr Grump]

Oh, the amount of my taxes threw you for a loop?

I know libs think ATM fees are to high but taxes are to low

Not really. WAsn't including sales tax etc. Wanted to know income tax levels

 

[red states rule]

Not really. WAsn't including sales tax etc. Wanted to know income tax levels

Well I include them

I pay about 60% of my income to Federal, State, Local, PUD/MUD taxes

THEN. I have property taxes, sales taxes, and excise taxes

So, how much MORE do you bug hearted libs want to be with MY money?

 

[Vintij]

Its a difficult subject because liberals are right in the sense that we should be concerned about the ever growing gap between the middle class, rich, and poor.

But they beleive to close the gap we should tax everyone, which i dissagree with. The taxes should be similar to what they are now if not lower, and liberals need to come up with another way to close the gap because the gap wont close unless we make it close. The majority of america is doing just fine so they dont care if the gap closes.

What liberals need to do when they take full controll in 08, is even out a real budget plan without taxing america. Maybe raising minimum wage? Perhaps taxing large profit oil company's? Maybe taxing other nations involved with american trade?

There are so many ways to solve this problem yet nobody does anything ever! On capitol hill.