Liberal Christians

[Quantum Windbag]

I didn't say that Jesus teachings are a lie. I said historical evidence for Jesus is slim.

I don't think Jesus intended that he be worshipped as a God. I think he came to show that human beings have the capacity to be one with God, and that God is within. Not to establish a religion that excludes people.

We have been through this before, the historical evidence for Jesus is more plentiful than the historical evidence for Alexander the Great. What you choose to believe about why he came is irrelevant, you are not Jonathon Livingston Seagull.

Yes, I actually read that book, I think it is a wonderful book. I recommend it to people all the time, and think it should be a part of the library of anyone that is interested in religion and/or spirituality. Unlike you, I actually support liberal ideals and encourage people to think for themselves. I believe that anyone that honestly examines the evidence will end up agreeing with me that Jesus existed, that he was executed, and that he was raised from the dead to prove that God is real and that the message that Jesus preached is the truth.

You do a disservice to him by claiming he taught something he clearly did not. Jesus does not exclude anyone, they, like you, choose to exclude themselves.

Yes, he does, at least his churches do. I don't think Jesus message is that he be worshipped. I think the message is to follow in his footsteps. IMO, there was no adam and eve or "original sin" and Jesus was not a savior. He was a teacher of wisdom and love.

Few Christians do. They're too busy condemning other people.

His churches? If I set up something and call it a Buddhist Temple, and then teach about white supremacy and the the master race, does that make Buddha responsible? No church that follows the teachings of Jesus excludes anyone.

As I said before, your beliefs are irrelevant, what matters are facts. The fact is that Jesus went out of his way to identify himself as the Messiah, and he then set out to prove that his words were true.

Charles Sinclair Lewis was exactly what you claim you are looking for, a liberal Christian. This is what he says about people who try to insist that Jesus was something other than what he is.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse.
You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

Your insistence that Jesus was a great teacher, and nothing more, flies in the face of his own words. That makes one of you crazy, and you are insisting it is not him.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, if that's not where you want to go, then don't go there. You want to talk about the bolded bit, then don't start in about your own belief systems. Ask questions about the bolded bit.

I don't do church anymore. Too much legalistic damage was done in my decades there.

Just because you had problems with a church that was legalistic does not mean all churches are the same.

I know it doesn't. As I quoted above - Pastor Dave Johnson, Church of the Open Door. Or the church my daughter attends.

I have anxiety issues, and crowds are not my friend. I'm as likely to have an adverse reaction to going to the store as I am going to church.

I worship in my own way, in my own space and time. And while a good many Christians would not understand, I believe that God does.

My guess is He does, I think He understands a lot more than anyone gives Him credit for.

I do want to point out one thing, it is pretty easy to get mislead when you rely on yourself for insight into scripture. Please note, I am not saying you are wrong, just that, unless you actually discuss things with someone who has a different point of view, you might be.

As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Prov 27:17 NIV

 

[Sunshine]

Here is a liberal Christian for you:

Creative Minority Report: Fr. Breen Saga -- Continued

 

[Wry Catcher]

The Holy Bible is the Foundation of Christianity, it contain neither word "liberal" nor "liberal Christian".

That isn't my question. Right now, conservatives seem to think they are the only "true believers" in Jesus teaching.

I want to talk to liberals who happen to be Christian too.

Guys,

only very naive lefts can believe there are liberal Christians. Either you are a Christian or you are even not, period.

No one true Christian denomination can support homosexuality, abortions, drugs, alcohol, pornography, Islam, communism and other liberal "values".

No true Christain is a bigot!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

That isn't my question. Right now, conservatives seem to think they are the only "true believers" in Jesus teaching.

I want to talk to liberals who happen to be Christian too.

Guys,

only very naive lefts can believe there are liberal Christians. Either you are a Christian or you are even not, period.

No one true Christian denomination can support homosexuality, abortions, drugs, alcohol, pornography, Islam, communism and other liberal "values".

No true Christain is a bigot!

Define bigot.

 

[uscitizen]

I'd like to meet you. I know you exist.

The Holy Bible is the Foundation of Christianity, it contain neither word "liberal" nor "liberal Christian".

That isn't my question. Right now, conservatives seem to think they are the only "true believers" in Jesus teaching.

I want to talk to liberals who happen to be Christian too.

I have several relatives who are politically liberal and practicing christians as well.

 

[Cuyo]

Your problem is that you seem pretty fucking cool with insults from those you agree with, but get your panties in a bunch with insults from those you do not.

I find that to be more than a tad ignorant.

Kinda like getting neg repped because you disagree with my opinion and calling me an ignorant bitch? You don't agree with me so you have to insult? I don't know if you call yourself christian or not, but that's not how a christian would respond. I have friends are Catholic, we agree to disagree.

Certain things get negs. Referring to my faith as a 'cult' is one of them. Don't like that? Un-fucking-lucky.

Moron.

What separates a cult from a religion? Tax-exempt status?

They're all cults. Some are just bigger than others.

 

[Cuyo]

The Holy Bible is the Foundation of Christianity, it contain neither word "liberal" nor "liberal Christian".

That isn't my question. Right now, conservatives seem to think they are the only "true believers" in Jesus teaching.

I want to talk to liberals who happen to be Christian too.

Guys,

only very naive lefts can believe there are liberal Christians. Either you are a Christian or you are even not, period.

No one true Christian denomination can support homosexuality, abortions, drugs, alcohol, pornography, Islam, communism and other liberal "values".

No true Christian denomination supports you passing judgment on others, either. Big J was pretty clear on that one - By no means is this a gray area.

 

[Sky Dancer]

The Holy Bible is the Foundation of Christianity, it contain neither word "liberal" nor "liberal Christian".

That isn't my question. Right now, conservatives seem to think they are the only "true believers" in Jesus teaching.

I want to talk to liberals who happen to be Christian too.

I have several relatives who are politically liberal and practicing christians as well.

I'd love to talk to them.

 

[Sky Dancer]

We have been through this before, the historical evidence for Jesus is more plentiful than the historical evidence for Alexander the Great. What you choose to believe about why he came is irrelevant, you are not Jonathon Livingston Seagull.

Yes, I actually read that book, I think it is a wonderful book. I recommend it to people all the time, and think it should be a part of the library of anyone that is interested in religion and/or spirituality. Unlike you, I actually support liberal ideals and encourage people to think for themselves. I believe that anyone that honestly examines the evidence will end up agreeing with me that Jesus existed, that he was executed, and that he was raised from the dead to prove that God is real and that the message that Jesus preached is the truth.

You do a disservice to him by claiming he taught something he clearly did not. Jesus does not exclude anyone, they, like you, choose to exclude themselves.

Yes, he does, at least his churches do. I don't think Jesus message is that he be worshipped. I think the message is to follow in his footsteps. IMO, there was no adam and eve or "original sin" and Jesus was not a savior. He was a teacher of wisdom and love.

Few Christians do. They're too busy condemning other people.

His churches? If I set up something and call it a Buddhist Temple, and then teach about white supremacy and the the master race, does that make Buddha responsible? No church that follows the teachings of Jesus excludes anyone.

As I said before, your beliefs are irrelevant, what matters are facts. The fact is that Jesus went out of his way to identify himself as the Messiah, and he then set out to prove that his words were true.

Charles Sinclair Lewis was exactly what you claim you are looking for, a liberal Christian. This is what he says about people who try to insist that Jesus was something other than what he is.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse.
You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

Your insistence that Jesus was a great teacher, and nothing more, flies in the face of his own words. That makes one of you crazy, and you are insisting it is not him.

Jesus is a great teacher. Why do you have a problem with my view? I think it's very respectful of a non-christian to consider Jesus a great teacher. Too few of his "students" follow in his footsteps.

 

[del]

poor, poor, poor, poor sky.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yes, he does, at least his churches do. I don't think Jesus message is that he be worshipped. I think the message is to follow in his footsteps. IMO, there was no adam and eve or "original sin" and Jesus was not a savior. He was a teacher of wisdom and love.

Few Christians do. They're too busy condemning other people.

His churches? If I set up something and call it a Buddhist Temple, and then teach about white supremacy and the the master race, does that make Buddha responsible? No church that follows the teachings of Jesus excludes anyone.

As I said before, your beliefs are irrelevant, what matters are facts. The fact is that Jesus went out of his way to identify himself as the Messiah, and he then set out to prove that his words were true.

Charles Sinclair Lewis was exactly what you claim you are looking for, a liberal Christian. This is what he says about people who try to insist that Jesus was something other than what he is.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the son of God: or else a madman or something worse.
You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.

Your insistence that Jesus was a great teacher, and nothing more, flies in the face of his own words. That makes one of you crazy, and you are insisting it is not him.

Jesus is a great teacher. Why do you have a problem with my view? I think it's very respectful of a non-christian to consider Jesus a great teacher. Too few of his "students" follow in his footsteps.

I have a problem with your views because Jesus made specific claims that no sane person would make.

 

[Sky Dancer]

His churches? If I set up something and call it a Buddhist Temple, and then teach about white supremacy and the the master race, does that make Buddha responsible? No church that follows the teachings of Jesus excludes anyone.

As I said before, your beliefs are irrelevant, what matters are facts. The fact is that Jesus went out of his way to identify himself as the Messiah, and he then set out to prove that his words were true.

Charles Sinclair Lewis was exactly what you claim you are looking for, a liberal Christian. This is what he says about people who try to insist that Jesus was something other than what he is.

Your insistence that Jesus was a great teacher, and nothing more, flies in the face of his own words. That makes one of you crazy, and you are insisting it is not him.

Jesus is a great teacher. Why do you have a problem with my view? I think it's very respectful of a non-christian to consider Jesus a great teacher. Too few of his "students" follow in his footsteps.

I have a problem with your views because Jesus made specific claims that no sane person would make.

What are you saying? Jesus was crazy?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying he was no redeemer or savior. He came to show the way to realizing God and man are one.

 

[BDBoop]

He either was who he said he was and did what he came to do, or yes. He was completely unhinged.

 

[Sky Dancer]

He either was who he said he was and did what he came to do, or yes. He was completely unhinged.

No, that's not how I see it at all. I don't think Jesus was crazy. I doubt the Gospel version, that's all.

It was written long after he supposedly lived.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Jesus is a great teacher. Why do you have a problem with my view? I think it's very respectful of a non-christian to consider Jesus a great teacher. Too few of his "students" follow in his footsteps.

I have a problem with your views because Jesus made specific claims that no sane person would make.

What are you saying? Jesus was crazy?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying he was no redeemer or savior. He came to show the way to realizing God and man are one.

No, I am saying you are crazy. He specifically claimed to be the Messiah, and made claims that equated him with God. You saying a man like that is nothing more than a moral teacher is insane. It is like talking about Ted Bundy and how nice he was because he would go out of his way to help young women.

You cannot ignore what he said and did and claim you admire him.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

He either was who he said he was and did what he came to do, or yes. He was completely unhinged.

No, that's not how I see it at all. I don't think Jesus was crazy. I doubt the Gospel version, that's all.

It was written long after he supposedly lived.

It was written by people who lived with him for 3 years.

 

[IndependntLogic]

He either was who he said he was and did what he came to do, or yes. He was completely unhinged.

No, that's not how I see it at all. I don't think Jesus was crazy. I doubt the Gospel version, that's all.

It was written long after he supposedly lived.

It was written by people who lived with him for 3 years.[/QUOTE]

This is inaccurate. The Gospels (at least those that were voted in) weren't written until sometime between 40 and 50 years after the crucifiction. Although the names Matthew and John were those of disciples, it is common knowledge that the authors of those Gospels were not the disciples of the same name.

What I sitll find of interest, is that the OP request to meet "Liberal Christians" but when asked, will not define what they mean by Liberal and when those who state they are both idenify themselves, doesn't give any indication as to why they wanted to meet them or what they would like to know.

 

[The Infidel]

What I sitll find of interest, is that the OP request to meet "Liberal Christians" but when asked, will not define what they mean by Liberal and when those who state they are both idenify themselves, doesn't give any indication as to why they wanted to meet them or what they would like to know.

Thats because Sky didnt really want to talk to a christian at all..... he/she/it just wanted to hurl insults at them and tell them they ar'nte christian or christian enough for her/him/it.

I dont see anywhere in the Bilble where Jesus was anything resembling a liberal.... nor was a he a conservative.

He was non-political if ya ask me..... he thought politicians were a den of thieves, and he was right!

I see his teachings instructing me to do everything I can to be self reliant and think for myself.
I am VERY charitable with my money, time, and abilities... I raise my children to respect their elders, and to be the best little women possible.

If I see someone in need... I help them. Now that dont mean I hand money to every bum I see on the street either.
I wonder how many homeess people Sky has taken to dinner I know I have done it several times.... I load them up in my truck, and we go eat, and I fellowship wth them. Its always a good time. You'd be surprised at how many of those follks dont want to have a home... too much trouble.
I do however listen to my gut... which I think is the the spirit of God giving me intuition

Point being.... libs are'nt the only ones with a heart. In fact, most of the folks in my life who I think are assholes, usually end up being of the liberal persuasion. They dont like to be called liberals either..... why, I dont know, but it is what it is.

There are good christians, and there are bad ones as well, and that goes for liberals too.

Sky Dancer is intellectually dishonest..... true story.

 

[Avatar4321]

No, that's not how I see it at all. I don't think Jesus was crazy. I doubt the Gospel version, that's all.

It was written long after he supposedly lived.

It was written by people who lived with him for 3 years.

This is inaccurate. The Gospels (at least those that were voted in) weren't written until sometime between 40 and 50 years after the crucifiction. Although the names Matthew and John were those of disciples, it is common knowledge that the authors of those Gospels were not the disciples of the same name.

What I sitll find of interest, is that the OP request to meet "Liberal Christians" but when asked, will not define what they mean by Liberal and when those who state they are both idenify themselves, doesn't give any indication as to why they wanted to meet them or what they would like to know.

Common knowledge really?

So who actually wrote Matthew and John if not Matthew and John? Mark was Peter's writer. The Gospel could be referred to more accurately as the Gospel of Peter. Luke was very open about not being one of the 12. He was likely one of the 70. But even so, it's "common knowledge" that he spent time researching the original sources and talking to people who were there.

She just wants a Christian who won't tell her right is right and wrong is wrong.