Liberal arguments for supporting gun ownership rights

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    People have a way of distorting values and issues. Let's clear teh air here. there are many a liberal who is opposed to the progressive arguments and reasoning for many gun control laws.



     
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    FRANK URGES LIBERALS TO DROP GUN CONTROL, STRESS OTHER ISSUES

    WASHINGTON - Rep. Barney Frank, who is known as one of the most liberal members of Congress, said yesterday that liberal Democrats should stop pushing for issues such as gun control so that the party can win support for what he called the more important liberal agenda of housing and abortion rights.

    The Massachusetts Democratic congressman said he still supports numerous gun control measures, such as the proposal for a 7-day waiting period to buy a gun, which was defeated this fall. But he stressed that liberals could stop proclaiming gun control as a priority.

    Frank also said liberal Democrats should stop backing proposals that put the government in the position of "regulating ...
     
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    I dont know any liberals who want to take your gun away. Thats an invented boogey man.
     
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    I know liberals, progressives (of all stripes) libertarians, conservatives and other ignorant fools who would take away gun ownership rights under the mistaken impression that it would make life better for everyone.

    most people (excepting the truly ignorant) are not one-dimensional in ideological outlook.
     
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    And I, as a blue collar liberal, think that there should be training classes that all would have to pass before being allowed to own a gun. However, after the last eight years, I think that a citizen that has the training should be able to own whatever he please up to twin 50s. Even though I would never own such weopons myself, I would not interfere with the right of other citizens to own them.
     
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    I don't really have a strong opinion on the training requirements to buy and own a gun. I think I would leave that up to those authorities and agencies that issue the permits. If one buys a rifle at a Walmart should one have to show proof of training? One can buy a car without having to show having passed a driving course. Proof of having passed gun safety courses is a good requirement I guess, but is it necessary for ownership? I haven't really thought deeply about this.
     
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    Yes, one can buy a car without proof of having training, or even a drivers license. And the carnage on our highways is proof of that. A gun is a tool with only one purpose, that is to kill. Handled carelessly, it does just that.
     
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    I beg to differ here. A gun can have another purpose and that is to target shoot. Many people both responsible and irresponsible have owned guns and never killed anybody. A gun can be used to wound/stop people in differnt scenarios good and bad.

    Buying a gun for self defense and getting training is the most responsible thing a person can do, but when people on the whole choose to do the most responsible things as a way of life I will eat my hat and pen a poem.


    Cars and the carnage involved with them is proof people are just irresponsible by nature. Nobody in their right mind gets a car and intends to be an auto accident statistic.

    It is safe to walk down the streets and to drive the roads in America. Perception plays a lot here as far as safety goes.


    a few things to ponder...
    random crime? what are the statistics? random crime with handguns or rifles? what are the statistics?
     
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    You want to really limit gun ownership problems?

    Easy as pie.

    Get the insurance companies involved.

    What are you talking about, editec?!

    Statistically speaking, (I suspect) those who have guns in their homes are more likely to die by the gun that those who do not.

    I suspect that insurance actuaries could easily devise rationalizations for why any person who owns a gun would be forced to pay more in homeowners' insurance, medical insurance and life insurance, too.

    I'm actually surprised, now that I've just thought of this, that this hasn't already happened, to be honest.

    I don't mean that I'm ADVOCATING that this be done, merely that I'm surprised it hasn't ALREADY been done.
     
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    Well I have a far right NRA outlook on gun ownership. However, IMO if a person is going to be issued a right to carry permit, then they should be required to prove that they can handle the firearm properly. I have carried a firearm on my person nearly everyday for the past 30 years. Due to my daily tasks I have been in positions where that firearm was required. If I could not handle it properly for personal defense innocent people could be harmed. If I am to be a responsible gun owner and carry a weapon, then I owe it to myself and others to be efficient in it's use. I strongly support training requirements and qualifying for conceal carry gun owners. That bothers many I know, but, to me it is vital.
     

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