Letters to a Young Conservative by Dinesh D'Souza

[Bern80]

This book has a valid argument against just about every major liberal cause. Most of which are written in a way that can't be argued against

 

[MtnBiker]

Bern80 you should check out Ronald Reagan by D'Souza also, I think you would like it.

 

[William Joyce]

I used to be a fan of Dinesh. I was all excited because he was brown and conservative, and so, conservatives can't be racist. Then I had an awakening about race.

 

[Bern80]

Originally posted by William Joyce
I used to be a fan of Dinesh. I was all excited because he was brown and conservative, and so, conservatives can't be racist. Then I had an awakening about race.

Meaning what?

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by William Joyce
I used to be a fan of Dinesh. I was all excited because he was brown and conservative, and so, conservatives can't be racist. Then I had an awakening about race.

 

[William Joyce]

That races are different, and can't be made equal through government programs.

 

[MtnBiker]

Have you even read D'Souza? If so please show me where he advocates government programs to equalized anybody?

 

[Bern80]

I second that quesion mtn. D'Souza is a conservative who is not big on Gov't programs of any kind.

I hope you don't mean your great awakening was finding out that races are different. Can you tell me a little more about race that made you disagree w/ him?

 

[William Joyce]

He doesn't advocate government programs to make equal, true.

He reviews all the data on racial differences in IQ in chapter 11 of "The End of Racism," but softpedals on inevitability. Meanwhile, the whole point of his books is that through application of conservative principles, we can make the multiracial society work. I disagree. Neither conservative nor liberal principles will make it work because because it simply can't be made to work. Races are much too different.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by William Joyce
That races are different, and can't be made equal through government programs.

I can honestly say that I agree with this statement in part. Not all races are "equal". Just like no two people are "equal". Meaning that no two races share the same talents, abilities, social mores, socialization or history. They can never be equal if eqality means "exactly the same".

But the government isn't about equality in the end. The government exists so that all people are treated equally. There is a difference.

Therefore, even if one person, or race, is different in terms of ability, desires and talent that doesn't mean that the government and society are permitted to treat them inequitably. Equality is a guarantee to every citizen on this land - no ifs and or buts about it.

 

[William Joyce]

But the complication arises when you parse "inequitably" or "treated equally."

See, to blacks, that means, "I gets as much bling-bling as whitey, yo!" And, they will not accept a lesser definition, such as, a black man and white man cannot receive different sentences for the same crime, which is what they REALLY meant by "equal protection."

But here's another thing. If you applied the latter version instead of the former, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME VERY ANGRY BLACKS rampaging through the streets. So nobody disturbs them on this point. But I gotta say, it's turned us into whimpering socialists. And no "conservative" has the cojones to do anything about it.

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by William Joyce

See, to blacks, that means, "I gets as much bling-bling as whitey, yo!"

I have seen many people across different racial backgrounds including caucasians wanting something for nothing or having the government take care of their needs. It's not just blacks or all blacks.

 

[William Joyce]

Maybe not "all blacks," but most blacks, and that is the point. Failure to acknowledge clear and overwhelming patterns of racial difference will KILL YOU. Feelin' lucky? I ain't.

Look, I know it makes one feel warm and fuzzy to pretend that these patterns don't exist, but they do. It's irresponsible to proceed as if they don't. You are robbing not only yourself but your racial kin and your children. Don't.

 

[MtnBiker]

You can try to project your personal world onto mine but it will not happen.

 

[William Joyce]

Huh? The WORLD will impose itself on you. I'm just telling you how it works so you're ready. If you can keep the world from being imposed upon you, good for you. I wish I had that much money/self-hypnotic denial power.

 

[MtnBiker]

No you already have enough denial power.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by William Joyce
But the complication arises when you parse "inequitably" or "treated equally."

See, to blacks, that means, "I gets as much bling-bling as whitey, yo!" And, they will not accept a lesser definition, such as, a black man and white man cannot receive different sentences for the same crime, which is what they REALLY meant by "equal protection."

But here's another thing. If you applied the latter version instead of the former, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME VERY ANGRY BLACKS rampaging through the streets. So nobody disturbs them on this point. But I gotta say, it's turned us into whimpering socialists. And no "conservative" has the cojones to do anything about it.

That's ridiculous. It's clearly obvious throughout history that them that ain't got, want. Them that don't have to toil, don't. Them that got, don't want to give. And them that work, can't not.

 

[William Joyce]

Nothing you've said contradicts what I just said.

 

[wonderwench]

Originally posted by William Joyce

He reviews all the data on racial differences in IQ in chapter 11 of "The End of Racism," but softpedals on inevitability.

That's because there is no Inevitability for an individual. We all have Free Will.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by William Joyce
Nothing you've said contradicts what I just said.

I think it does. To paraphrase Michael Jackson, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. People of every ilk will always want what they haven't got. I live in a pretty affluent neighborhood where everyone is always keeping up with the Jones'...I have to say that the majority of my neighbors are white.

I also know a lot of people who are white and live off of welfare and I know an awful lot of whites who are rich who don't give to others, either in dollars or time.

I know a lot of blacks and other minorities who live within their means, donate time and money, work hard and prosper.

I don't think what you and I said was alike at all.