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Discussion in 'Environment' started by Flanders, Nov 24, 2012.

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    The US Senate is such a despicable institution, I hate it when I see good senators trying to do right. Republican senator, James Inhofe, is one of the good ones:

    Senator warns 'green' plan would include biggest tax hike ever
    Oklahoma's Inhofe says carbon tax would cost $1 trillion-plus
    Published: 19 hours ago
    by BOB UNRUH

    Senator warns ‘green’ plan would include biggest tax hike ever

    Inhofe’s comments are unique for me in that I could have posted this message in the Environment forum or the Economy forum. I chose the environment because Senator Inhofe ties environmental frauds to the United Nations; something I’ve been trying to do in my own small way for 12 years.

    If you watched the video you heard Senator Inhofe quote MIT professor Richard Lindzen:


    Lindzen and I are not so different. For years I’ve said the United Nations has been trying to claim ownership of the atmosphere and the oceans. Every UN environmental scam hinges on getting the world to accept United Nations ownership. Lindzen’s observation simply explains controlling the world from a different angle; he from a scientific perspective; whereas, I approached it from a purely political perspective.

    Cap & Trade

    I must admit that I did not think cap & trade could be revived. I knew that Hussein was going to further lay waste to this country with his cabinet appointments, his federal judges, his taxes, the ACA, his executive orders, bureaucracy regulations, and so on. I never suspected that he would try to implement an environmental tax larger than the huge healthcare tax.
     
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    Inhofe, Lindzen? Oh well.
     
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    If the world was a paradise and we enjoyed a constant 72 degrees and rain only on monday mornings and all of a sudden there were hurricanes and droughts and flooding we would have something to worry about but climate constantly changes. There is ample evidence that a relatively short geological time ago North America was a frozen wasteland. The bedrock visible in Central Park in NY shows grooves from the rocks dragged by a glacier hundreds of feet high. There are theories that the world is currently coming out of an ice age era. The sneaky cowards used to use the phrase "man-made" global warming but these days they leave off the words "man-made" and they use the words "climate change". Has there ever been a time in world history when climate didn't change? We don't have time for this freaking nonsense while the Country is in financial distress but the radical left sees their chance for an extortion scam that will destroy capitalism and ruin the once great United States.
     
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    To Old Rocks: Here’s a bit more from Inhofe and Lindzen from a great piece about “consensus”:

    7/17/2012 @ 3:32PM |27,749 views
    That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not!

    That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not! - Forbes
     
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    Inhofe is a whore for the energy coperations. Same goes for Lindzen. If he is not pushing tobacco, he is lying about the evidence concerning climate. Next you will be parroting Singer.
     
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    November 28, 2012
    Fourteen Is the New Fifteen!
    By Arvind Kumar

    Articles: Fourteen Is the New Fifteen!

    One degree means a lot. Global warming hustlers simply say global warming is happening. If they are challenged they then cite 57.2 degrees Fahrenheit to support their claim since 59 degrees Fahrenheit makes it harder for them. I just wonder when they are going to drop it to 13 degrees Celsius, then 12, then 11, and so on as the world continues to cool.
     
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    The fraud continues to unravel:

    Man-made global warming: even the IPCC admits the jig is up
    By James Delingpole Environment Last updated: December 13th, 2012

    Man-made global warming: even the IPCC admits the jig is up – Telegraph Blogs

    Alas, even after pseudo-scientists looking for a spot at the public give up their quest the big time hustlers who invested a lot of money in selling the scam will never throw in the towel until taxpayers return the money.
     
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    Flanders, every single Scientific Society in the world states that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. As does every National Academy of Science, and every major University. The scientific consensus on AGW is just as robust as that on evolution.

    All you denial is based on politics, has zero to do with science.
     
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    Who needs a carbon tax?

    We've got hydraulic fracturing and natural gas. Emissions are down considerably. We're on track to meet the un-signed Kyoto targets.
     
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    This dogma that anything that comes out of the fossil fuel industry is devious and wrong is truely worrisome. Who do Geologists work for anyway? Do you think any industry you don't like should sit there and be thankful for being a whipping boy?

    Where do you think energy policy comes from anyway? From Nancy Pelosi or Waxman?

    How do PLAN to keep the lights on if you don't LISTEN and LEARN from the folks doing the f'ing work?

    If you don't KNOW what the energy companies know --- any "plan" is doomed to fail.
    That's why the govt should take a more limited role. Because to EFFECT change in energy, you have to get into the shorts of the EXISTING energy companies and have them disclose what THEIR PLANS are.. Otherwise --- you're wasting taxpayer time and money.

    So the choice is crony collusion or laissez faire. I'll take the laissez faire.
     

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