Let's talk about the National Debt

Both parties give a lot of lip service to "the national debt. But when in power they both spend like crazy. So the deal is simple - cut spending first.

Then we can talk about raising taxes. But not until the spending cuts are REAL

Cool, let's start with cutting SSI, those disabled people are worthless, we can have the private sector build ovens, and generate electricity, making a profit out of there worthless hides. I'm sure Halliburton will get the bid - if and only if JEB gets into the White House.

Next we'll privatize medicare, repeal Obamacare and stop supporting all those lazy people who wont save for a medial savings account.

Then we'll privatize the schools, public schools are a waste and if people can't afford private schools they shouldn't have kids.

And of course then we'll cut taxes for those earning over $500,000 per year, for they are the producers and will create jobs so even those still earning $7.00 per hour can afford health care - all they need to do is work seven days a week and 15 hours a day.

You're a wing nut more interested in scoring political points than finding actual solutions.

Here is a real solution - Lets start by cutting Federal spending by 1%. For every 1% of REAL spending cuts- Not baseline cuts, but actual decreases in spending from the year before, we'll raise taxes by 1% on the "rich"?

How about 2%? Or 5%?
 
Both parties give a lot of lip service to "the national debt. But when in power they both spend like crazy. So the deal is simple - cut spending first.

Then we can talk about raising taxes. But not until the spending cuts are REAL

Cool, let's start with cutting SSI, those disabled people are worthless, we can have the private sector build ovens, and generate electricity, making a profit out of there worthless hides. I'm sure Halliburton will get the bid - if and only if JEB gets into the White House.

Next we'll privatize medicare, repeal Obamacare and stop supporting all those lazy people who wont save for a medial savings account.

Then we'll privatize the schools, public schools are a waste and if people can't afford private schools they shouldn't have kids.

And of course then we'll cut taxes for those earning over $500,000 per year, for they are the producers and will create jobs so even those still earning $7.00 per hour can afford health care - all they need to do is work seven days a week and 15 hours a day.

You're a wing nut more interested in scoring political points than finding actual solutions.

Here is a real solution - Lets start by cutting Federal spending by 1%. For every 1% of REAL spending cuts- Not baseline cuts, but actual decreases in spending from the year before, we'll raise taxes by 1% on the "rich"?

How about 2%? Or 5%?

That's foolish. Cutting spending means cutting jobs which means taking money out of circulation. Those who lose their jobs may need government aid, may not be able to pay their mortgage and have their home foreclosed. That can have a real impact on the neighbor' home values and potentially created deflation, further foreclosures and hello again 2008.

Simple solutions as suggested by Zander are for simple people - impractical and will likely have unintended consequences. The first paragraph is one example.
 
Cutting spending means cutting jobs...
Non sequitur
which means taking money out of circulation.
Money that is borrowed from someone else.
The money that would have been borrowed is still in circulation, so... no.
Those who lose their jobs may need government
Proceeds from a false premise (see above)
Simple solutions as suggested by Zander are for simple people...
And yet, you cannot mount a sound counter argument.
:lol:
 
Cutting spending means cutting jobs...
Non sequitur
which means taking money out of circulation.
Money that is borrowed from someone else.
The money that would have been borrowed is still in circulation, so... no.
Those who lose their jobs may need government
Proceeds from a false premise (see above)
Simple solutions as suggested by Zander are for simple people...
And yet, you cannot mount a sound counter argument.
:lol:

I know you don't think, before you post or at anytime. But maybe I'm too rash, explain for us how government spending can be cut by percentages, without cutting employees.

I can think of one, cutting all government employees salary to the Federal Minimum Wage - of course then they couldn't pay their mortgage, go to restaurants, buy durable goods, etc. etc.

No, I take it back, I wasn't too rash.
 
Cutting spending means cutting jobs...
Non sequitur
which means taking money out of circulation.
Money that is borrowed from someone else.
The money that would have been borrowed is still in circulation, so... no.
Those who lose their jobs may need government
Proceeds from a false premise (see above)
Simple solutions as suggested by Zander are for simple people...
And yet, you cannot mount a sound counter argument.
:lol:
I know you don't think, before you post or at anytime.
Says he who tucked tail and ran away from the open, honest debate he asked for.
But maybe I'm too rash, explain for us how government spending can be cut by percentages, without cutting employees.
Wait... you don't understand that the huge majority of federal spending goes to entitlement programs that provide direct benefits to their recipients?
You think that the vast majority of federal spending goes to federal employees?
:lol:
 
Both parties give a lot of lip service to "the national debt. But when in power they both spend like crazy. So the deal is simple - cut spending first.

Then we can talk about raising taxes. But not until the spending cuts are REAL

Cool, let's start with cutting SSI, those disabled people are worthless, we can have the private sector build ovens, and generate electricity, making a profit out of there worthless hides. I'm sure Halliburton will get the bid - if and only if JEB gets into the White House.

Next we'll privatize medicare, repeal Obamacare and stop supporting all those lazy people who wont save for a medial savings account.

Then we'll privatize the schools, public schools are a waste and if people can't afford private schools they shouldn't have kids.

And of course then we'll cut taxes for those earning over $500,000 per year, for they are the producers and will create jobs so even those still earning $7.00 per hour can afford health care - all they need to do is work seven days a week and 15 hours a day.

You're a wing nut more interested in scoring political points than finding actual solutions.

Here is a real solution - Lets start by cutting Federal spending by 1%. For every 1% of REAL spending cuts- Not baseline cuts, but actual decreases in spending from the year before, we'll raise taxes by 1% on the "rich"?

How about 2%? Or 5%?

That's foolish. Cutting spending means cutting jobs which means taking money out of circulation. Those who lose their jobs may need government aid, may not be able to pay their mortgage and have their home foreclosed. That can have a real impact on the neighbor' home values and potentially created deflation, further foreclosures and hello again 2008.

Simple solutions as suggested by Zander are for simple people - impractical and will likely have unintended consequences. The first paragraph is one example.

Like I said, you're a wingnut.
 
Looks as if personal attacks are all zander and shooter have, which is not a surprise to anyone who frequents this message board. Note to both: Personal attacks are not rebuttals, they are not substantive and they are a ubiquitous tool of those incapable of responding intelligently and honestly.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Excellent idea! Let's cut spending back to 2007 levels.
Then we'll look at tax hikes.

When was the last time, if ever, the members of Congress lead by example? They won't raise the minimum wage, and yet won't take a pay or benefit cut.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Excellent idea! Let's cut spending back to 2007 levels.
Then we'll look at tax hikes.

When was the last time, if ever, the members of Congress lead by example? They won't raise the minimum wage, and yet won't take a pay or benefit cut.

Let's end Congressional pensions and put term limits into place.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Excellent idea! Let's cut spending back to 2007 levels.
Then we'll look at tax hikes.

When was the last time, if ever, the members of Congress lead by example? They won't raise the minimum wage, and yet won't take a pay or benefit cut.

Let's end Congressional pensions and put term limits into place.

My suggestion to limit POTUS to one six year term, and provide him the line-item veto makes much more sense than imposing term limits on members of Congress. Maybe an age limit for members of Congress and for the members of the Supreme Court.
 
Looks as if personal attacks are all zander and shooter have, which is not a surprise to anyone who frequents this message board. Note to both: Personal attacks are not rebuttals, they are not substantive and they are a ubiquitous tool of those incapable of responding intelligently and honestly.
In other words... I made points you know you cannot refute - as usual.
I accept your concession.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

If you believe there's a solution to the national debt, you're wholly ignorant about big numbers. Couldn't pay off a $1 trillion debt never mind whatever it is now.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

If you believe there's a solution to the national debt, you're wholly ignorant about big numbers. Couldn't pay off a $1 trillion debt never mind whatever it is now.

We will always carry a debt, that does not mean we should not work to reduce the annual deficit.
 
First, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and our policy of foreign intervention has greatly contributed to the amount of money we owe; cutting taxes at a time of war and the Great Recession exacerbated a long term and growing issue.

The debt will come down, once we elect a fiscally responsible Congress. Note, fiscal conservatism and austerity are not solutions, they are political talking points. Raising taxes and cutting unnecessary spending is the solution!

Borrowing and the Federal Debt

Whining about the national debt is one more wedge issue, a talking point by the Republican Party (and callow posters who parrot the current meme) who contributed greatly to the problem and now want to point fingers at President Obama. That's one more BIG LIE by the Party of Grover Limbaugh.

If you believe there's a solution to the national debt, you're wholly ignorant about big numbers. Couldn't pay off a $1 trillion debt never mind whatever it is now.

We will always carry a debt, that does not mean we should not work to reduce the annual deficit.


Does when doing so doesn't effect it but gains the ones supposedly doing something votes. All it is. They know the math, they know no cut or reduction's gonna touch the interest of the debt let alone the principle. Just gonna harm Americans while winning themselves votes.
 

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