let's talk about the grandfather clause in article two

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

 

[PratchettFan]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Because none of the signers of the Constitution were natural born citizens. When they were born, there was no United States to be a citizen of.

 

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Because none of the signers of the Constitution were natural born citizens. When they were born, there was no United States to be a citizen of.

then how did they know what a natural born citizen was then, but not now ??

signers of the constitution is a pretty big group.

in fact...most people don't know what presidents' parents were in fact born in America.. until andrew jackson came along, he was born before 1789.. was president afterwards...

it's complicated.

Andrew Jackson - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[M14 Shooter]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Because none of the signers of the Constitution were natural born citizens. When they were born, there was no United States to be a citizen of.

^^^
This.
Until the creation of the United States, the people here were English.

 

[OKTexas]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

 

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Because none of the signers of the Constitution were natural born citizens. When they were born, there was no United States to be a citizen of.

^^^
This.
Until the creation of the United States, the people here were English.

not entirely

 

[Staidhup]

There was no need for a grandfather clause, for it was clear that the intent was from "this" time forward, furthermore, commencing with 14 years proof of residency prior to date of Constitutional acceptance. Proof of residency was validated through land ownership and tax collection from the records held as a crown chartered colony. In fact, to go a step further, one of the several concepts floated by the founders was taxes paid and current, proof of land ownership, required in order to vote. As for the general population in the colonies, French, Dutch, German, Russian....,and yes English, were represented and granted citizenship upon the acceptance of the Constitution.

 

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

 

[washamericom]

There was no need for a grandfather clause, for it was clear that the intent was from "this" time forward, furthermore, commencing with 14 years proof of residency prior to date of Constitutional acceptance. Proof of residency was validated through land ownership and tax collection from the records held as a crown chartered colony. In fact, to go a step further, one of the several concepts floated by the founders was taxes paid and current, proof of land ownership, required in order to vote. As for the general population in the colonies, French, Dutch, German, Russian....,and yes English, were represented and granted citizenship upon the acceptance of the Constitution.

so if there was no need, then why did they make sure it was still in a very lean document that was heavily edited and revised otherwise.

what did they mean by natural born, and why did they exclude themselves in history that way ??


who couldn't be president or vice president... ? then or now.

they could have said no women... i'll bet they're glad now that never happened...

 

[OKTexas]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

I have no freaking idea what you're talking about, what about them?

 

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

pass, nice chatting with you


I have no freaking idea what you're talking about, what about them?

 

[OKTexas]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

pass, nice chatting with you


I have no freaking idea what you're talking about, what about them?

Maybe you should learn to make complete sentences and how to communicate your ideas before trying to post.

 

[Staidhup]

There was no need for a grandfather clause, for it was clear that the intent was from "this" time forward, furthermore, commencing with 14 years proof of residency prior to date of Constitutional acceptance. Proof of residency was validated through land ownership and tax collection from the records held as a crown chartered colony. In fact, to go a step further, one of the several concepts floated by the founders was taxes paid and current, proof of land ownership, required in order to vote. As for the general population in the colonies, French, Dutch, German, Russian....,and yes English, were represented and granted citizenship upon the acceptance of the Constitution.

so if there was no need, then why did they make sure it was still in a very lean document that was heavily edited and revised otherwise.

what did they mean by natural born, and why did they exclude themselves in history that way ??


who couldn't be president or vice president... ? then or now.

they could have said no women... i'll bet they're glad now that never happened...

You bring up a very interesting point, however, please accept the context and methods of interpretation employed during the period. We tend to interject our own period interpretations and understandings into a strict literal period which fails to do justice in understanding intent. Simply put, a person born 14 years prior to the adoption of the Constitution would upon reaching the age of 35 be eligible for election, however a person of 35 years or older, having been proven to have been a tax payer, landowner, for 14 years prior to Constitutional convention would be eligible on the date of ratification.
The intent of the founders was to preclude those individuals of foreign blood descending upon the new country and assuming power by virtue of wealth. One question to ponder is the ability and process to impeach. Why such an option if not for the fear that one could usurp the very Constitution, Bill of Rights, and hard fought freedoms and Liberty the founders wished to preserve.
The underlying point moving forward requires citizenship by birth, aged 35 years or older. So is it not correct to assume a child born to US citizens who originated from a foreign country as eligible to serve as President?

 

[washamericom]

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There was no need for a grandfather clause, for it was clear that the intent was from "this" time forward, furthermore, commencing with 14 years proof of residency prior to date of Constitutional acceptance. Proof of residency was validated through land ownership and tax collection from the records held as a crown chartered colony. In fact, to go a step further, one of the several concepts floated by the founders was taxes paid and current, proof of land ownership, required in order to vote. As for the general population in the colonies, French, Dutch, German, Russian....,and yes English, were represented and granted citizenship upon the acceptance of the Constitution.

so if there was no need, then why did they make sure it was still in a very lean document that was heavily edited and revised otherwise.

what did they mean by natural born, and why did they exclude themselves in history that way ??


who couldn't be president or vice president... ? then or now.

they could have said no women... i'll bet they're glad now that never happened...

You bring up a very interesting point, however, please accept the context and methods of interpretation employed during the period. We tend to interject our own period interpretations and understandings into a strict literal period which fails to do justice in understanding intent. Simply put, a person born 14 years prior to the adoption of the Constitution would upon reaching the age of 35 be eligible for election, however a person of 35 years or older, having been proven to have been a tax payer, landowner, for 14 years prior to Constitutional convention would be eligible on the date of ratification.
The intent of the founders was to preclude those individuals of foreign blood descending upon the new country and assuming power by virtue of wealth. One question to ponder is the ability and process to impeach. Why such an option if not for the fear that one could usurp the very Constitution, Bill of Rights, and hard fought freedoms and Liberty the founders wished to preserve.
The underlying point moving forward requires citizenship by birth, aged 35 years or older. So is it not correct to assume a child born to US citizens who originated from a foreign country as eligible to serve as President?

it's a fresh angle. i'll give you that...

 

[washamericom]

andrew jackson right ? the only known case...

this applies to exactly two jobs... in the world...



why did the writers of the doc, write this:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article II Constitution US Law LII Legal Information Institute

ostensibly it depends on what the definition of or is... the well placed comma on the grassy knoll...

comma chameleon...
Grandfather clause - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

discuss....

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

pass, nice chatting with you


I have no freaking idea what you're talking about, what about them?

Maybe you should learn to make complete sentences and how to communicate your ideas before trying to post.

it was a joke... reid and pelosi being grandfathered.
, not seriously... sorry

 

[OKTexas]

Discuss what, no one is alive today that would be eligible to be grandfathered?

that's pretty good... what about reid and pelosi though ??

pass, nice chatting with you


I have no freaking idea what you're talking about, what about them?

Maybe you should learn to make complete sentences and how to communicate your ideas before trying to post.

it was a joke... reid and pelosi being grandfathered.
, not seriously... sorry

Doesn't change my last reply at all. You don't communicate with broken and disjointed sentences, it leaves people like you left me, having no freaking idea what you're talking about.

 

[washamericom]

what are we doing now, but communicating. it's not a college thesis. just a message board.

besides here's you; it leaves people like you left me, having no freaking idea what you're talking about.
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