Lets take a look at YET ANOTHER anti-american radical that Obama has appointed:

[WillowTree]

you have never asked a single question.

 

[Zoom-boing]

the only conclusion to reach is that the left embraces marxism and radicalism. No other explanation to be had.

If they would just look at the connections . . . but they won't. They'll just deny or scream 'loon' or 'conspiracy theory' or whatever.

I have to agree, Willow . . . . the only conclusion I can draw is that they embrace the radical and marxist agenda of Obama and his administration.

I think after all this time Zoom you should consider that they have indeed looked at the dots and made the connections. Nobody is that deaf dumb and blind. well except for obamalama. They know who these people are and they know what the goal is. They embrace marxism and radicalism. They voted for it, and they defend it. Honestly ask yourself, have you ever once seen anyone of them question anything at all? Know why? Cause they have no questions.

I'm always one to give the benefit of the doubt . . . too much I suspect. I don't know if any of them have even bothered to look at all the videos that have been provided. All they do is scream 'BECK' and dismiss it. I would suggest that if they don't want to watch they do some homework on their own cause it's all out there. But you are likely right, that they have looked at the connections and have no problems with any of it and they do, in fact, embrace the radical and marxist changes that are coming. And there will be no satisfaction is saying 'I told you so' because by then . . . . it will be too late.

 

[Modbert]

Ravi is right, McCarthyism lives.

Another hunt for "Communists and Socialists" while the real issues get ignored.

The Socialist Candidate in the last election even admitted that Obama is nowhere near Socialist.

 

[WillowTree]

Nobody has to hunt.

 

[MaggieMae]

That's the same video I watched that was posted earlier in the thread.

I'm still trying to figure out what position Mr. Jones was appointed to by Obama.

Got an answer?

I gave you answer, an important enough post that he got to write the stimulus and healtchare bills. that important enough to suit you?

No, it's not. For starters of I haven't seen evidence that Van Jones wrote the stimulus and healthcare bills. Surely you can come up with something that says something along the lines of "today the Obama Administration appointed JeffJones to be the ______________________."

There is none. This was a story perpetrated within the evil reaches of that cesspool of Glenn Beck's warped brain. I looked at 3 pages of googled stories on it and every single one got ITS "information from Beck's embellished "presentation." Of course it was three pages of right-wing sites. The Apollo Project is a respected organization dedicated to energy independence and promotion of the potential for thousands of jobs related to a "green" society. The only reason Blech went after them is because many of the endorsers are labor/trade unions and BLACK leadership organizations. In other words, evil leftists. The right doesn't believe in alternative energy solutions; they do not believe in controlling global warming. The whole thing is a hoax to them.

Omitted from Beck's lying diatribe were pertinent fact, of course. But what else is new?

■Beck’s guest Phil Kerpen described the Apollo Alliance as an organization “designed to bring together elements of organized labor with the community organizers with the green groups, the environmental groups.” First of all, we’re proud to claim social justice leaders, environmental groups and labor unions as part of the Apollo coalition. But what happened to the fourth Apollo constituent group—business? If Beck had acknowledged that businesses across America support the Apollo Alliance and our “radical” agenda of putting millions of Americans back to work in good jobs, it might have undermined his claim that we’re agents of some vast left-wing conspiracy. PG&E, Google and other businesses are represented on our board of directors, along with dozens more that are on the steering committees of our state and local Apollo chapters. Oops, maybe the business groups were accidentally wiped off of the dry-erase board.

What Does The Fox News Channel Have Against Green Jobs? : Apollo Alliance

 

[MaggieMae]

Can't even look at the video and see the connections? Beck's just putting it all in one place . . . yet all anyone can do is call him a loon . . . and ignore the dots. I cannot believe more people aren't outraged that so many radical people are tied to this administration.

the people who are not outraged are the people who hate the USA. The want "fundamental transformation" aka Marxism. aka redistribution of wealth, aka death to capitalism. comrade. the people who are not outraged want the same thing this marxist regime wants. it's no mystery.

Finally, we agree on something. Massive redistribution of wealth with all those no bid contracts and the creation of far right companies like Blackwater. Obviously an attempt to destroy competition and capitalism. Then that awful "fundamental transformation", the attempt to turn this country into a fundamentalist Christian country by declaring this a Christian nation and the insane attempt to replace science with mysticism and the occult.

Thank the gods we were able to elect a Democratic President and return the government to sanity. Thanks for pointing all that out.

Plus, conveniently excused from the "redistribution of wealth" tag is how wealth was redistributed to the wealthiest from 2001 through today and will stay that way until the Bush tax cuts expire.

 

[MaggieMae]

what you elected was a Marxist. you embrace it.. admit it and be happy.

What's a Marxist? (theme from Jeopardy here)

Well?

Well?

Thought so.

I posted the messiah in his own words. he is a marxist. embrace it.

Here's an interesting expanded definition of Marxism from BusinessDictionary.com:

Marxism
Definition

System of economic, social, and political philosophy based on the idea that class struggle is the """"motor of history,"""" and that the outdated class structures will be overthrown with force (revolution) instead of being replaced through patient modification. It explains that as the capitalism has succeeded the feudalism, it too will be removed by a dictatorship of the workers (proletariat) called socialism, followed quickly and inevitably by a classless society which governs itself without a governing class or structure. Developed in the 19th century jointly by two lifelong German friends living in London Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895) it forms the foundation of communism.

Since the "revolutionaries" we see today at town hall meetings and protests are uber conservatives and not liberals looking to overthrow the government by force, I'm confused as to where such geniuses as Willow see a rise in Marxism. After all, it's the working class that has been revolting against existing government, so one would think that if they knew what they were revolting about, they would be embracing...Marxism, which would give them control.

I see a paradox in reasoning just by the fact that these protesters are now against the very government that smacked down the evil corporate and banking interests who were robbing them blind and who they once abhorred (as the enemy of the people) not too long ago.

 

[MaggieMae]

was it not you???? who???? just the other night????? told me???? that you didn't have to jump through any hoops for me??????? now all the evidence has already been handed to you. Beck has written it all out, and I posted the messiah in his own words regarding the marxist doctrin of wealth redistribution.. you embrace it. admit it.

Beck wrote out a barely legible "flow chart" on a blackboard.

At no point did he say what position Jeff Jones has been appointed to nor did he present evidence that Jones wrote the stimulus and health care bills. So, no, it hasn't been written out.

As usual, you got nothing.

and I owe you nothing. in your own words. jump through your own hoops. I know what I got. you refuse to admit that you have no problem with radicals in the wh. none.

We know what you got. This comes in one size fits all.

 

[MaggieMae]

Simple request:

The position that Jeff Jones was appointed to and proof that he's author of the stimulus and health care bills. I'm not looking for convincing, just a couple of facts.

was it not you???? who???? just the other night????? told me???? that you didn't have to jump through any hoops for me??????? now all the evidence has already been handed to you. Beck has written it all out, and I posted the messiah in his own words regarding the marxist doctrin of wealth redistribution.. you embrace it. admit it.

Their excuse is 'Beck is a loon and therefore I won't watch anything by him'. It's nothing but an excuse. I'd love for some of them to actually go watch the videos posted all over here. Ignore the Beck factor for five minutes at look at what is out there. The connections are impossible not to see. And Willow you're right . . . if people are ok with it all then those people are ok with marxism, communism, whatever 'ism' you want to call it. It's more government control and less personal choice. That's what this is about . . .

Then why has NO ONE ELSE provided any of these so-called connections? An expansion of what Beck alleges? Every Google link is a carbon copy of Blech's Bullshit with added opinionated commentary only.

 

[MaggieMae]

Watching these clips piece-meal can be confusing, try from the beginning. You cannot miss all the connections of radical people and radical organizations to this administration. Does anyone really think 'fundamentally changing America' happens overnight or walks up and just announces itself?

In Case You Missed It: Soros Connection To Tides Foudation/HCAN and Their Ties To Apollo, ACORN, and the SEIU « Romanticpoet’s Weblog

Jeezus, unfucking believable. That inexcusably biased BLOGSITE is the most cherry-picked bullshit about George Soros I've ever seen. Nice going, boink, but nevertheless it fails to tie Soros directly to policy making. He INVESTS in Apollo, just as hundreds of others do. An example of "Romantic Poet's" lies? "Obama’s largesse towards Brazil, came shortly after Soros invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras)." The US government, and in particular Barack Obama, played no part in awarding that contract.

Where did Texas oil barons like T. Boone Pickens invest their money before alternative energy projects became more popular? George Soros invests in ANYTHING that looks as if it will be profitable, just as "conservative" right-wing billionnaire investors do.

What's the expression you people like to use? Oh yeah, YOU FAIL!!

 

[MaggieMae]

Not going to be able to watch those videos in the next 15 minutes before I leave for work. Do they answer the two very specific questions that I have regarding THIS THREAD or are they just more glennbeck rantings?

Can you watch them tomorrow? Just ignore that which is Beck and just look at the connections. I posted earlier, the OP was misleading in that Jeff Jones was appointed to anything. Apollo Alliance Writing Legislation? Stimulus Bill, Cap and Trade Bill, Healthcare Bill? America Needs To Know! « Romanticpoet’s Weblog

I got it from this post:

I gave you answer, an important enough post that he got to write the stimulus and healtchare bills. that important enough to suit you?

I'll try to give the videos a look-see but if I can't take more than 5 minutes of Olbermann then I assure you it will be a tough time dealing with hour of glennbeck.

Don't bother to read the lengthy offering from RomanticPoet either. There is only ONE reference to Apollo Alliance and that is George Soros invests in it. Some connection, eh? The rest of it is a cherry-picked tear down of George Soros in general.

 

[Zoom-boing]

was it not you???? who???? just the other night????? told me???? that you didn't have to jump through any hoops for me??????? now all the evidence has already been handed to you. Beck has written it all out, and I posted the messiah in his own words regarding the marxist doctrin of wealth redistribution.. you embrace it. admit it.

Their excuse is 'Beck is a loon and therefore I won't watch anything by him'. It's nothing but an excuse. I'd love for some of them to actually go watch the videos posted all over here. Ignore the Beck factor for five minutes at look at what is out there. The connections are impossible not to see. And Willow you're right . . . if people are ok with it all then those people are ok with marxism, communism, whatever 'ism' you want to call it. It's more government control and less personal choice. That's what this is about . . .

Then why has NO ONE ELSE provided any of these so-called connections? An expansion of what Beck alleges? Every Google link is a carbon copy of Blech's Bullshit with added opinionated commentary only.

Good question. Why has the MSM completely ignored all of this?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Can you watch them tomorrow? Just ignore that which is Beck and just look at the connections. I posted earlier, the OP was misleading in that Jeff Jones was appointed to anything. Apollo Alliance Writing Legislation? Stimulus Bill, Cap and Trade Bill, Healthcare Bill? America Needs To Know! « Romanticpoet’s Weblog

I got it from this post:

I gave you answer, an important enough post that he got to write the stimulus and healtchare bills. that important enough to suit you?

I'll try to give the videos a look-see but if I can't take more than 5 minutes of Olbermann then I assure you it will be a tough time dealing with hour of glennbeck.

Don't bother to read the lengthy offering from RomanticPoet either. There is only ONE reference to Apollo Alliance and that is George Soros invests in it. Some connection, eh? The rest of it is a cherry-picked tear down of George Soros in general.

The info on the RomanticPoet site is taken from the Apollo Alliance's website. I provided that link in another post on here. I provided the RP link because of information further down the page. Must I continue to point the obvious out to you?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Another dimwitted Hopey Changey Czar? Gee what a surprise. How many is he up to now? Look,it's no coincidence that all the hateful & insane Anti-American cretins of the World are all lavishing praise on Hopey Changey. He was an Anti-American Leftist creep before he became President and of course he still is. Lets just hope & pray it's only three more years of this inept Socialist madness.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Watching these clips piece-meal can be confusing, try from the beginning. You cannot miss all the connections of radical people and radical organizations to this administration. Does anyone really think 'fundamentally changing America' happens overnight or walks up and just announces itself?

In Case You Missed It: Soros Connection To Tides Foudation/HCAN and Their Ties To Apollo, ACORN, and the SEIU « Romanticpoet’s Weblog

Jeezus, unfucking believable. That inexcusably biased BLOGSITE is the most cherry-picked bullshit about George Soros I've ever seen. Nice going, boink, but nevertheless it fails to tie Soros directly to policy making. He INVESTS in Apollo, just as hundreds of others do. An example of "Romantic Poet's" lies? "Obama’s largesse towards Brazil, came shortly after Soros invested heavily in Brazilian oil (Petrobras)." The US government, and in particular Barack Obama, played no part in awarding that contract.

Where did Texas oil barons like T. Boone Pickens invest their money before alternative energy projects became more popular? George Soros invests in ANYTHING that looks as if it will be profitable, just as "conservative" right-wing billionnaire investors do.

What's the expression you people like to use? Oh yeah, YOU FAIL!!

You twit. I posted that link because it has all five parts of Beck's 'connect the dots' shows on it. I didn't even click on the link you obviously did and I don't read that blog. It was merely convenient to have a link w/all five shows on it, rather than posting all five youtube links on here. Maggie, do everyone a favor. If you're going to come into the end of a thread and start posting try reading the entire thread first so you don't look like an ass.

 

[Vast LWC]

I don't think so. somehow I remember the obamalama writing in his own book how he sought out radicals and anarchists.. and you believe every lie he ever told don't you? so you have no room to talk about others's believeing lies.. all you obama worshippers believe every word he's uttered starting with "I never knew bullforg said those terrible things" you went straight to the polls and pulled the lever for a liar. so you'll forgive me if I don't find you credible..

Frankly, I don't give a shit if you find me "Credible" or not.

I posted specific data showing that not only is Jeff Jones not "the author of the Stimulus bill", as Mr Beck Claimed, and that he is NOT the "leader" of the Apollo Alliance chapter of New York, but that he is not even a member of the Apollo Alliance.

They were simply a client of his at one point, which makes sense since they work in the same state in the same general field, "Green Technology".

In addition, you and your friends have not posted one shred of evidence to prove otherwise except for excerpts from Beck's show!

If you want to turn a blind eye to Mr Beck LYING to you, then that's your business, but it certainly doesn't mean that he is not in fact LYING to you.

______________________________________________________________

As for the rest of you ditto-heads that just started posting on this thread as if the conversation on the previous pages never happened, I would suggest you read the fucking thread before posting such bullshit as this:

Another dimwitted Hopey Changey Czar? Gee what a surprise.

or this:

I posted this link as well but the leftists insist that Jones isn't 'really' connected to the Apollo Alliance and isn't 'really' radical.

OK? Thanks for playing though.

And to the last one, I'd say that no-one suggested he wasn't "really radical", because no-one felt the need, as the entire story about his supposed "connections" to the white house turned out to be COMPLETELY FALSE.

Now, accept the fact that Glenn Beck lied to you, and move on.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Ok, one last fact then I'm done.

Jeff Jones advises and represents leading national, state and grassroots environmental and energy policy organizations. His clients include the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Workforce Development Institute, the Apollo Alliance, New Partners for Community Revitalization, and the Land Trust Alliance. He also works with the Catskill Center for Conservation and Development, the Healthy Schools Network and the League of Conservation Voters, among others.

Jeff Jones Strategies - Clients

Good Jobs, Clean Energy

Jeff Jones responds

Since mid-summer, Glenn Beck, a commentator for Fox News, and others have waged a smear campaign against the Apollo Alliance, and Van Jones, who resigned his White House post as a special advisor to the President on green jobs and clean energy. Because of my work with the New York State Apollo Alliance and my history of political activism, starting with the anti-Vietnam War movement in the 1960s, and my opposition to segregation and racism, I have also been attacked. It is now clear that those leading this campaign include people supported by big oil interests who deny the dangers of climate change and are opposed to the clean energy movement that is growing in the country. Because of the attacks on me, I am posting the following statement on my website.

Losing Van Jones from the White House was a loss for the country. He is a tested and admired leader of constituencies that have been locked out of both the economy and the democratic process. His inclusion gave hope to millions of people – people of color, young people, the disenfranchised, environmentalists and working people. His appointment by President Obama was significant. His voice was powerful and distinct. We are diminished as a nation because he is no longer part of the Administration.

Jeff Jones Strategies - Protest

No doubt at all what a radical this guy is if he thinks losing Van Jones was a loss for this country.

Jeff Jones Strategies - Clients

Which proves that at some point the Apollo Alliance was a CLIENT of Jeff Jones consulting.

That does not make Jeff Jones a MEMBER, now does it?

Oh but he IS. Click on the NY dot.

State & Local : Apollo Alliance


Go to page 4:

http://manycitizens.org/diyFiles/west_apollo_agendainvite.pdf


And this from April of this year:

"Green jobs are critical to a revitalized New York State economy," said Jeff Jones, Director of New York State Apollo Alliance. "For stimulus investments in clean energy to work, New York needs a trained green workforce. This plan, proposed by Lawyers for Green Jobs, helps bring us closer than ever to New York's clean energy future, while protecting the environment and opening new career paths to tens of thousands of New Yorkers."

Model legislation calls for green jobs in New York State – Press Releases on CSRwire.com


Interesting that I had to do some digging for this, rather than just going to the Apollo Alliance website and find him there. Did they take his name off that site (or do I just suck at site searching) because Beck exposed him? Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'.

So this extraordinarily radical Jones is the Director of the NYS A.A. The same A.A. whose 'assistance and support' helped form the stimulus bill.

Almost all of the clean energy, good jobs programs made public today, along with the dimension of the spending called for by Congress and the new president, track closely with the ideas and proposals advanced last year by the Apollo Alliance in The New Apollo Program and the Apollo Economic Recovery Act.

http://apolloalliance.org/apollo-pr...mendations-from-pelosi-stimulus-passes-house/

 

[Vast LWC]

Ok, one last fact then I'm done.



Jeff Jones Strategies - Clients



Jeff Jones Strategies - Protest

No doubt at all what a radical this guy is if he thinks losing Van Jones was a loss for this country.

Jeff Jones Strategies - Clients

Which proves that at some point the Apollo Alliance was a CLIENT of Jeff Jones consulting.

That does not make Jeff Jones a MEMBER, now does it?

Oh but he IS. Click on the NY dot.

State & Local : Apollo Alliance


Go to page 4:

http://manycitizens.org/diyFiles/west_apollo_agendainvite.pdf


And this from April of this year:

"Green jobs are critical to a revitalized New York State economy," said Jeff Jones, Director of New York State Apollo Alliance. "For stimulus investments in clean energy to work, New York needs a trained green workforce. This plan, proposed by Lawyers for Green Jobs, helps bring us closer than ever to New York's clean energy future, while protecting the environment and opening new career paths to tens of thousands of New Yorkers."

Model legislation calls for green jobs in New York State – Press Releases on CSRwire.com


Interesting that I had to do some digging for this, rather than just going to the Apollo Alliance website and find him there. Did they take his name off that site (or do I just suck at site searching) because Beck exposed him? Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'.

So this extraordinarily radical Jones is the Director of the NYS A.A. The same A.A. whose 'assistance and support' helped form the stimulus bill.

Almost all of the clean energy, good jobs programs made public today, along with the dimension of the spending called for by Congress and the new president, track closely with the ideas and proposals advanced last year by the Apollo Alliance in The New Apollo Program and the Apollo Economic Recovery Act.

Apollo Weekly Update, 1/30/09: Obama’s Clean Energy Start, Commendations From Pelosi, Stimulus Passes House : Apollo Alliance

See, now this is a good argument. Finally someone steps up to the plate!

So, this made me real curious, so I just got off the phone with the New York State chapter of the Apollo Alliance, and this is what they said, and I quote:

Jeff Jones is a constulant, who does not work for the Apollo Alliance, but has helped co-ordinate the New York State Apollo Alliance in his role as a consultant.

End Quote.

Honestly, I don't know what this means, but it does not seem to indicate that the man was director of the New York State chapter of the Apollo Alliance.

 

[Vast LWC]

So, it would appear that, in a way, we are both right.

Apparently Jones' non-profit firm is in fact a member of the Alliance, but Jones himself does not sit on the board or the streering committee, either in New York State or nationally.

I wonder if he did in the past, and no longer does? Your first link was dated 2007.

 

[Vast LWC]

However, none of this evidence suggests:

a) that Mr Jones has any sort of relationship at all with Mr Obama,

b) that the Apollo Alliance is some sort of radical organization, or

c) that Mr Jones had a hand in writing the Stimulus Bill.

And since the title of the thread is:

Lets take a look at YET ANOTHER anti-american radical that Obama has appointed:

One would imagine that it has in fact been proved incorrect.

Thank you for providing a cogent and data-filled argument though. Rep to you for that!