Let's Speculate as to the REAL motive behind the invasion of Iraq

[Wry Catcher]

I don't believe we need to speculate, consider the Project for a New American Century and consider this article from this web site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/AttackIraq-Nov16,98.pdf

The invasion and occupation of Iraq had no relationship to 9/11/2001; it was the goal and intent of the right wing of the Republican Party for years before the WTC was destroyed. The irony being the R's have and had two camps - the isolationists and the neo-conservative ones, yet were able to convince many Americans they were the party to trust on matters of foreign policy.
That they are still able to play this card is a sad commentary on our nation's people ability to think.

 

[asterism]

I don't believe we need to speculate, consider the Project for a New American Century and consider this article from this web site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/AttackIraq-Nov16,98.pdf

The invasion and occupation of Iraq had no relationship to 9/11/2001; it was the goal and intent of the right wing of the Republican Party for years before the WTC was destroyed. The irony being the R's have and had two camps - the isolationists and the neo-conservative ones, yet were able to convince many Americans they were the party to trust on matters of foreign policy.
That they are still able to play this card is a sad commentary on our nation's people ability to think.

If only that damn Bush would just get out of there so someone against the war could get us out right now.


Oh wait...

 

[Muhammed]

The invasion and occupation of Iraq had no relationship to 9/11/2001; it was the goal and intent of the right wing of the Republican Party for years before the WTC was destroyed.

The 9-11 attacks and other terror attacks were a response to the USA dominatated UN coalition continuing to impose economic sanctions against iraq and US and British relentless bombing of Iraqi air defense.

The 9-11 attacks and other previous Al Qaeda attacks were primarily about US foreign policy concerning Iraq.

Did you not read UBL's declaration of war?

The real goal of American foreign policy in Arab lands is to prevent a united Baath Arab Muslim Socialist superpower from emerging. That is why the US and UK supports corrupt monarchies like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. And also Israel. The USA wants to remain the world's sole economic and military superpower. And the US knows that a united Baathist State could quickly become a dominant world superpower if it wasn't for their meddling into Arab affairs.

 

[Ropey]

Right. Arabian superpower....

And women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped.

Just like America did on nine eleven.

That's your morals and mind and it is clear.

 

[Muhammed]

And women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped.

Why do you assume that women who dress provacatively are "asking to be raped"?

 

[Ropey]

And women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped.

Why do you assume that women who dress provacatively are "asking to be raped"?

I am making a connection between those who say that American policy asked for Muslim extremist reaction (read Nine Eleven, et al) and the fact that Muslim women can be legally raped if they are about on their own, since the extension is that both are asking for it.

 

[Sunni Man]

And women who dress provocatively are asking to be raped.

Why do you assume that women who dress provacatively are "asking to be raped"?

It's simple.

He hates muslims and Islam.

And will lie to make muslims look bad.

 

[Ropey]

I simply hold you to task for your truth.

Look at my sig for racism....

 

[Sunni Man]

I simply hold you to task for your truth.

Look at my sig for racism...

How can that be construed as racism??


#1) the Mossad is a government agency not a race.

#2) Israel is a country not a race.

 

[Ropey]

I simply hold you to task for your truth.

Look at my sig for racism...

How can that be construed as racism??


#1) the Mossad is a government agency not a race.

#2) Israel is a country not a race.

The Mossad and Israel are Jews.

Come on, do you truly think intelligent people do not see your lies and machinations?

Continue...

 

[Sunni Man]

The Mossad and Israel are Jews.

The Jews are Not a race.

They are part of a religion. Judiasm

 

[Ropey]

No matter how often you and yours repeat a lie, it does not make it a truth.

Studies of Jewish Populations

Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, and others.

Key findings:
# The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
# Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European).
# Dutch Jews from the Netherlands also descend from northwestern Europeans.
# Sephardim also descend, in a smaller way, from various non-Israelite peoples.
# Georgian Jews (Gruzinim) are a mix of Georgians and Israelites.
# Yemenite Jews (Temanim) are a mix of Yemenite Arabs and Israelites.
# Moroccan Jews, Algerian Jews, and Tunisian Jews are mainly Israelites.
# Libyan Jews are mainly Israelites who may have mixed somewhat with Berbers.
# Ethiopian Jews are almost exclusively Ethiopian, with little or no Israelite ancestry.
# Bene Israel Jews and Cochin Jews of India have much Indian ancestry in their mtDNA.
# Palestinian Arabs are probably partly Israelite.

Studies of Cohens and Levites

Key findings:

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinian Arabs, and a few other peoples.
# About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.

 

[Sunni Man]

So black jews, white jews, asian jews, and the rest, are basically a race?

Do you even know what the word "race" refers to??

 

[Ropey]

So black jews, white jews, asian jews, and the rest, are basically a race?

Do you even know what the word "race" refers to??

Yes, do you have any understanding what genetics show?

Genetic variation, classification and 'race'

Lynn B Jorde & Stephen P Wooding

Department of Human Genetics, University of Utah School of Medicine, Salt Lake City, Utah 84112, USA.

Correspondence should be addressed to Lynn B Jorde [email protected]

New genetic data has enabled scientists to re-examine the relationship between human genetic variation and 'race'. We review the results of genetic analysis that show that human genetic variation is geographically structured, in accord with historical patterns of gene flow and genetic drift. Analysis of many loci now yields reasonably accurate estimates of genetic similarity among individuals, rather than populations. Clustering of individuals is correlated with geographic origin or ancestry. These clusters are also correlated with some traditional concepts of race, but the correlations are imperfect because genetic variation tends to be distributed in a continuous, overlapping fashion among populations. Therefore, ancestry, or even race, may in some cases prove useful in the biomedical setting, but direct assessment of disease-related genetic variation will ultimately yield more accurate and beneficial information.

Our variation proves we are a race. But I don't expect you to actually study to understand. You seem to study to exclude. That's a rather pitiful method of critical analysis.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation."

Our singular diseases prove that we are a race. Just as the genetics show that sickle cell anemia is tied to the Black race.

Research Sunni Man.

 

[Sunni Man]

Our singular diseases prove that we are a race. Just as the genetics show that sickle cell anemia is tied to the Black race.

There are whites who have sickle cell anemia .

So according to you they are they now officially part of the black race?

 

[Ropey]

Our singular diseases prove that we are a race. Just as the genetics show that sickle cell anemia is tied to the Black race.

There are whites who have sickle cell anemia .

So according to you they are they now officially part of the black race?

Have you heard of genetic drift?

Genetic drift occurs when a population's allele frequencies change due to random events. There is a higher probability that this surviving population will undergo drift (10/16) than the probability it will remain the same. (6/16)

Effects of Genetic Drift

Population bottlenecks occur when a population’s size is reduced for at least one generation. Because genetic drift acts more quickly to reduce genetic variation in small populations, undergoing a bottleneck can reduce a population’s genetic variation by a lot, even if the bottleneck doesn’t last for very many generations.

Consider the three thousand plus proven years of the Jewish race, and all the expulsions of the Jews to the "corners of the world." The race you say is not there show the genetic causal proof.

It's not hard to make the extension, that is "If" you actually study to learn, and not look for reasons to exclude data.

That's not a healthy method of critical analysis Sunni Man...

 

[Ropey]

Our singular diseases prove that we are a race. Just as the genetics show that sickle cell anemia is tied to the Black race.

There are whites who have sickle cell anemia .

So according to you they are they now officially part of the black race?

If you do not research with a neutral eye I suppose I shall have to teach you Sunni Man. The removal of blacks from Africa to America has created the drift to which I speak.

But you make my point. The white race has by genetic drift (inputting the genes of others) but they are still a race due to their dominant genetic factors that remain.

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Sunni Man]

So anti-semitism is racism.

Then when Israels bomb Palestinians.

They are being anti-semitic (racist) against their own race?

 

[Ropey]

So anti-semitism is racism.

Then when Israels bomb Palestinians.

They are being anti-semitic (racist) against their own race?

LOL

You need to study race and dominant genes Sunni Man. Arguing from ignorance limits your effect.

Yes, the Whites have genetic drift and causal determination of that drift.

But they are not the Black Race...

 

[Sunni Man]

If you do not research with a neutral eye I suppose I shall have to teach you Sunni Man. The removal of blacks from Africa to America has created the drift to which I speak.

But you make my point. The white race has by genetic drift (inputting the genes of others) but they are still a race due to their dominant genetic factors that remain.

I think I get it.

If you posses even one tiny bit of semitic DNA. Then you are part of the so called Jewish race

But if a white has any african DNA. It is called "genetic drift" and somehow doesn't count.

If I am not mistaken; the Nazis and the KKK have similar views. Just in reverse, but the same principle applies.