Let's Reward Chicago's Dumbest Students With A Laptop!

[washamericom]

Years ago Daley spoke of providing, to the best of my knowledge never happened. Now that doesn't mean there isn't easy access, just about every coffee shop, library, school inside and out, has wi-fi and as long as the student knows how to access, not a problem. But there's still the issue of carrying around an expensive piece of electronics, an issue for any kid, but especially in high crime areas, where home is less likely to have the service.

I can hear the cry now and see the hands going out.

"But its wrong to make them go to a coffee shop to do their home work! Pay for my wifi too!

I agree, if parents cant afford to pay and absorb a loss of something that expensive then their children should not have them.

Which raises a different question. If they are stolen, once, twice, wrecked ,once twice..lost once, twice....do you still keep giving that kid a laptop or are they bounced from the program?

In all honesty, just seems a dumb idea to me. Well meaning, but aren't so many programs like this one?

I also see a possible liability problem. While the schools can and so provide filters, hopefully age appropriate, not so once the computers leave the building. What if a child connects with a pedophile or some other predator? If the school provides the portal that was previously unavailable wouldn't they possibly be liable?

you cons in this debate are dancing all around the negative. if you think lack of technology and overwhelming cost are not easily overcome, then you have little vision for the future of education, or technology. in five or ten years some laptops will be 50 $. kids in grade school will be issued one as standard, as they do now at some colleges as part of tuition. the younger the kid, the more the laptop will be designed after say for instance, "the jitterbug" cell phone for senoirs (boy that concept comes full circle). as i said the machine is age appropriate, both mechanically and intellectually.

the original premise of laptops for the least educated is a great one.. i've dropped my cellphone dozens of times. if we can go to the moon, we can build a cheap laptop to survive a seven year old. annie also raise a great point that some kids have no it acces at home, another argument for the pro in my mind.
as i said this is going to happen soon, there is no stopping it. if there is any doubt about the learning curve of a child, or the impact of computers and the internet on learning and education, i'll leave that debate for the experts on that subject.
this turned out to be a great thread. sorry about that "b effer"

 

[Annie]

I can hear the cry now and see the hands going out.

"But its wrong to make them go to a coffee shop to do their home work! Pay for my wifi too!

I agree, if parents cant afford to pay and absorb a loss of something that expensive then their children should not have them.

Which raises a different question. If they are stolen, once, twice, wrecked ,once twice..lost once, twice....do you still keep giving that kid a laptop or are they bounced from the program?

In all honesty, just seems a dumb idea to me. Well meaning, but aren't so many programs like this one?

I also see a possible liability problem. While the schools can and so provide filters, hopefully age appropriate, not so once the computers leave the building. What if a child connects with a pedophile or some other predator? If the school provides the portal that was previously unavailable wouldn't they possibly be liable?

you cons in this debate are dancing all around the negative. if you think lack of technology and overwhelming cost are not easily overcome, then you have little vision for the future of education, or technology. in five or ten years some laptops will be 50 $. kids in grade school will be issued one as standard, as they do now at some colleges as part of tuition. the younger the kid, the more the laptop will be designed after say for instance, "the jitterbug" cell phone for senoirs (boy that concept comes full circle). as i said the machine is age appropriate, both mechanically and intellectually.

the original premise of laptops for the least educated is a great one.. i've dropped my cellphone dozens of times. if we can go to the moon, we can build a cheap laptop to survive a seven year old. annie also raise a great point that some kids have no it acces at home, another argument for the pro in my mind.
as i said this is going to happen soon, there is no stopping it. if there is any doubt about the learning curve of a child, or the impact of computers and the internet on learning and education, i'll leave that debate for the experts on that subject.
this turned out to be a great thread. sorry about that "b effer"

You 'liberals' are insinuating that us 'cons' are luddites. Quite misleading with that. There's a difference indeed between what may be developed as far as sturdiness and costs between now and future.

 

[washamericom]

In all honesty, just seems a dumb idea to me. Well meaning, but aren't so many programs like this one?

I also see a possible liability problem. While the schools can and so provide filters, hopefully age appropriate, not so once the computers leave the building. What if a child connects with a pedophile or some other predator? If the school provides the portal that was previously unavailable wouldn't they possibly be liable?

you cons in this debate are dancing all around the negative. if you think lack of technology and overwhelming cost are not easily overcome, then you have little vision for the future of education, or technology. in five or ten years some laptops will be 50 $. kids in grade school will be issued one as standard, as they do now at some colleges as part of tuition. the younger the kid, the more the laptop will be designed after say for instance, "the jitterbug" cell phone for senoirs (boy that concept comes full circle). as i said the machine is age appropriate, both mechanically and intellectually.

the original premise of laptops for the least educated is a great one.. i've dropped my cellphone dozens of times. if we can go to the moon, we can build a cheap laptop to survive a seven year old. annie also raise a great point that some kids have no it acces at home, another argument for the pro in my mind.
as i said this is going to happen soon, there is no stopping it. if there is any doubt about the learning curve of a child, or the impact of computers and the internet on learning and education, i'll leave that debate for the experts on that subject.
this turned out to be a great thread. sorry about that "b effer"

You 'liberals' are insinuating that us 'cons' are luddites. Quite misleading with that. There's a difference indeed between what may be developed as far as sturdiness and costs between now and future.

whoaa annie, fiesty... i meant "cons" as in pros and cons of the argument, not conservative, sorry. god for a second there i thought you thought i was a liberal, be still my heart. i had to google luddites. see if you had just used that word on a seven year old, she could have just googled it. it would make a much smarter eight year old... from "cabrini".... c'mon !

 

[thereisnospoon]

This is a really stupid idea and it is pointless to talk about it.
Handing out laptop computers to hundreds of thousands of students is cost prohibitive.
The mayoral candidate is proposing the residents Chicago to fork over a larger portion of their earnings to pay for an idea that is at best nonsensical in it's conception.

This thread should wither on the vine.
Let the do-gooders and the professional spenders of other people's money hash it out in la la land. Because in reality, it isn't happening.

 

[Annie]

you cons in this debate are dancing all around the negative. if you think lack of technology and overwhelming cost are not easily overcome, then you have little vision for the future of education, or technology. in five or ten years some laptops will be 50 $. kids in grade school will be issued one as standard, as they do now at some colleges as part of tuition. the younger the kid, the more the laptop will be designed after say for instance, "the jitterbug" cell phone for senoirs (boy that concept comes full circle). as i said the machine is age appropriate, both mechanically and intellectually.

the original premise of laptops for the least educated is a great one.. i've dropped my cellphone dozens of times. if we can go to the moon, we can build a cheap laptop to survive a seven year old. annie also raise a great point that some kids have no it acces at home, another argument for the pro in my mind.
as i said this is going to happen soon, there is no stopping it. if there is any doubt about the learning curve of a child, or the impact of computers and the internet on learning and education, i'll leave that debate for the experts on that subject.
this turned out to be a great thread. sorry about that "b effer"

You 'liberals' are insinuating that us 'cons' are luddites. Quite misleading with that. There's a difference indeed between what may be developed as far as sturdiness and costs between now and future.

whoaa annie, fiesty... i meant "cons" as in pros and cons of the argument, not conservative, sorry. god for a second there i thought you thought i was a liberal, be still my heart.

If your meaning was those 'contrary to the proposition', one would not use 'cons' as in arguments, no? Seems instead you were using it as a 'class of people', renaming 'you.'

 

[thereisnospoon]

I can hear the cry now and see the hands going out.

"But its wrong to make them go to a coffee shop to do their home work! Pay for my wifi too!

I agree, if parents cant afford to pay and absorb a loss of something that expensive then their children should not have them.

Which raises a different question. If they are stolen, once, twice, wrecked ,once twice..lost once, twice....do you still keep giving that kid a laptop or are they bounced from the program?

In all honesty, just seems a dumb idea to me. Well meaning, but aren't so many programs like this one?

I also see a possible liability problem. While the schools can and so provide filters, hopefully age appropriate, not so once the computers leave the building. What if a child connects with a pedophile or some other predator? If the school provides the portal that was previously unavailable wouldn't they possibly be liable?

you cons in this debate are dancing all around the negative. if you think lack of technology and overwhelming cost are not easily overcome, then you have little vision for the future of education, or technology. in five or ten years some laptops will be 50 $. kids in grade school will be issued one as standard, as they do now at some colleges as part of tuition. the younger the kid, the more the laptop will be designed after say for instance, "the jitterbug" cell phone for senoirs (boy that concept comes full circle). as i said the machine is age appropriate, both mechanically and intellectually.

the original premise of laptops for the least educated is a great one.. i've dropped my cellphone dozens of times. if we can go to the moon, we can build a cheap laptop to survive a seven year old. annie also raise a great point that some kids have no it acces at home, another argument for the pro in my mind.
as i said this is going to happen soon, there is no stopping it. if there is any doubt about the learning curve of a child, or the impact of computers and the internet on learning and education, i'll leave that debate for the experts on that subject.
this turned out to be a great thread. sorry about that "b effer"

Do you live in the Chicago school district?..If so, get out of your neighbor's bank accounts and write a check yourself.
If not, Shut it. It's none of your business.
Yours is another example of liberal do-gooders sparing no expense to further their socialist agenda....with someone else's money.
Isn't it wonderful to be the richest people on the planet. You lefties with all of your grandiose ideas together with your unfettered access to everyone elses money...What an existence!!!!

 

[Sallow]

Sounds like some great ideas. And laptops are pretty cheap new..or free when they are donated. The latter is good for the environment.

 

[washamericom]

You 'liberals' are insinuating that us 'cons' are luddites. Quite misleading with that. There's a difference indeed between what may be developed as far as sturdiness and costs between now and future.

whoaa annie, fiesty... i meant "cons" as in pros and cons of the argument, not conservative, sorry. god for a second there i thought you thought i was a liberal, be still my heart.

If your meaning was those 'contrary to the proposition', one would not use 'cons' as in arguments, no? Seems instead you were using it as a 'class of people', renaming 'you.'

oh for heavens sake...

 

[washamericom]

Sounds like some great ideas. And laptops are pretty cheap new..or free when they are donated. The latter is good for the environment.

sallow, a voice of reason, good timing, i could use some positive help here... cheers !

 

[Annie]

Sounds like some great ideas. And laptops are pretty cheap new..or free when they are donated. The latter is good for the environment.

sallow, a voice of reason, good timing, i could use some positive help here... cheers !

More voices contrary to commonsense is not necessarily a good thing.

 

[washamericom]

This is a really stupid idea and it is pointless to talk about it.
Handing out laptop computers to hundreds of thousands of students is cost prohibitive.
The mayoral candidate is proposing the residents Chicago to fork over a larger portion of their earnings to pay for an idea that is at best nonsensical in it's conception.

This thread should wither on the vine.
Let the do-gooders and the professional spenders of other people's money hash it out in la la land. Because in reality, it isn't happening.

i thought you made a big deal of resigning from this thread that won't wither. what do you care if we talk about it. sounds to me as if you are still "in". i respect your view, i just think it's wrong...

 

[washamericom]

Sounds like some great ideas. And laptops are pretty cheap new..or free when they are donated. The latter is good for the environment.

sallow, a voice of reason, good timing, i could use some positive help here... cheers !

More voices contrary to commonsense is not necessarily a good thing.

may i ask why ?

 

[Annie]

sallow, a voice of reason, good timing, i could use some positive help here... cheers !

More voices contrary to commonsense is not necessarily a good thing.

may i ask why ?

It seems for the most part both those on the left and those on the right believe the country is too far in debt. Both the state of Illinois and the City of Chicago are too. What you and others have said about the pros of technology, only idjits would disagree with. The problem is in the idea of passing out laptops at both the cost and durability today, when the system on all levels cannot afford it.

Perhaps down the road, when those $50 laptops have the durability of today's, $1k Toughbooks X2? Might be feasible, then they actually will rival the cost of a textbook-which CAN be repaired btw.

 

[Truthmatters]

Remote learning is where this country is headed.

A laptop is much cheaper than a building, lights, gas, teacher, principle, janitor, and on and on.

The right jsut always fails to see the big picture which is why they are so bad for this country.

 

[Bullfighter]

Sounds like some great ideas. And laptops are pretty cheap new..or free when they are donated. The latter is good for the environment.

sallow, a voice of reason, good timing, i could use some positive help here... cheers !

More voices contrary to commonsense is not necessarily a good thing.

When it comes to the future of the United States and it's people, no one has the right to be wrong.

 

[Annie]

Remote learning is where this country is headed.

A laptop is much cheaper than a building, lights, gas, teacher, principle, janitor, and on and on.

The right jsut always fails to see the big picture which is why they are so bad for this country.

Operative word, implies future.

 

[Truthmatters]

Then quit being wrong all the time.

 

[washamericom]

More voices contrary to commonsense is not necessarily a good thing.

may i ask why ?

It seems for the most part both those on the left and those on the right believe the country is too far in debt. Both the state of Illinois and the City of Chicago are too. What you and others have said about the pros of technology, only idjits would disagree with. The problem is in the idea of passing out laptops at both the cost and durability today, when the system on all levels cannot afford it.

Perhaps down the road, when those $50 laptops have the durability of today's, $1k Toughbooks X2? Might be feasible, then they actually will rival the cost of a textbook.

the point is, is how can we "afford some of the outrages waste packages" of the stimulus bill, and not this. i too am optimistic, this is no time to lay down arms.

 

[Sallow]

Remote learning is where this country is headed.

A laptop is much cheaper than a building, lights, gas, teacher, principle, janitor, and on and on.

The right jsut always fails to see the big picture which is why they are so bad for this country.

There is something to be said for interaction with a teacher. But remote classes are good to supplement the classroom experience, but imho, not replace it.

 

[Truthmatters]

You dont ever get to the future by always throwing out the anchor and screaming NO to everything.