Let's re-visit Kent State!

It was a manufactured charge designed to make the FBI seem more reasonable. NOW you explain how murdering all the children in the compound SAVED them? Because THAT is what the FBI did.

The FBI ADMITS they KNEW the buildings had gasoline stored in them to set them ablaze in a final assault, YET they used a Tank to ram the building and fired how many canisters of SMOKE and TEAR GAS into those buildings?

There was absolutely NO REASON to assault the compound. NO ONE in the compound was a threat to any civilian. And they were no threat to the FBI surrounding the place either. There is no evidence that the cultists ever fired on the FBI. And the original ATF raid there are NO bullet holes in any vehicle in the lot on the side facing the building.

You've contradicted yourself nicely in your post.

You say that the "buildings had gasoline stored in them to set them ablaze in a final assault".

You say that "NO ONE in the compound was a threat to any civilian".

Are you implying that all of the children were not threatened by the fact that they were in a building that was full of gasoline meant to set them ablaze?

Or are you implying that the children were not civilians?

"Children". Lol.
The guardsmen were "children" too, using that measure.

You surround and threaten law enforcement, someone's getting shot. You hide behind a group of school kids, or multiple groups, all over the country...you do it because you want them to get shot.

That was the plan of the leftards. Wallow in it.
 
It was a manufactured charge designed to make the FBI seem more reasonable. NOW you explain how murdering all the children in the compound SAVED them? Because THAT is what the FBI did.

The FBI ADMITS they KNEW the buildings had gasoline stored in them to set them ablaze in a final assault, YET they used a Tank to ram the building and fired how many canisters of SMOKE and TEAR GAS into those buildings?

There was absolutely NO REASON to assault the compound. NO ONE in the compound was a threat to any civilian. And they were no threat to the FBI surrounding the place either. There is no evidence that the cultists ever fired on the FBI. And the original ATF raid there are NO bullet holes in any vehicle in the lot on the side facing the building.

You've contradicted yourself nicely in your post.

You say that the "buildings had gasoline stored in them to set them ablaze in a final assault".

You say that "NO ONE in the compound was a threat to any civilian".

Are you implying that all of the children were not threatened by the fact that they were in a building that was full of gasoline meant to set them ablaze?

Or are you implying that the children were not civilians?

"Children". Lol.
The guardsmen were "children" too, using that measure.

You surround and threaten law enforcement, someone's getting shot. You hide behind a group of school kids, or multiple groups, all over the country...you do it because you want them to get shot.

That was the plan of the leftards. Wallow in it.

We were talking about Waco.

"Gasoline" "Compound" "FBI"

Catch up.
 
Well, i haven't read through all of the posts here but I'll make my comment based upon the OP and some of the other statements:

If the Government has a right to shoot citizens for throwing rocks and bottles, the citizens have a right to shoot the government for use of deadly force in the face of public demand for redress.

The bottom line in this case is that if we didn't have a government that allowed private interests and money powers to manipulate us into war, there wouldn't have been a protest in the first place.

And we're gonna justify shooting the citizens who want to stop this kind of government behavior? This discussion is a good example of what's going to happen in this nation over the next few years as more people realize that things won't change back to Constitutional government in this country until we completely remove the corrupt system rthat both parties have constructed. There will be those who defend big brother and say that we need the nanny state to protect us from terrorism, from Iran, or from our health problems. And there will be those who oppose big brother because of his control grid, nationalization of our economy, and global criminal activities. Both will claim to love the nation and the Constitution, and will fight to the death to preserve it for our children.

That's probably why so many political scientists are predicting a break-up of the US in the very near future. They see the writing on the wall, where most Americans are too inundated with propaganda to see anything but our own thoughts and feelings, as formed by the propagandists of our own choosing.
 
I remember reading contemporary reports about the shootings, I can't recall the details and I don't want to be an accidental revisionist but one phrase sort of comes to mind and it was something like, "a bunch of frightened kids shooting a bunch of frightened kids." Not in those words but similar.

But I could be wrong, memory is reconstructive.

Bingo, it was the fault of the IDIOT who desided to put armed military at a college.

The students were considered to be violent. They had already burned down a campus building and were destroying other property. They were also pelting campus police with rocks and bottles.
Keep in mind the timeframe of the 60's. The establishment was terrified of the "hippies" taking over and rioting. This was the time of Charlie Manson. These were not peaceful times. The pressure on the Governor to do something was tremendous.
The National Guard over-reacted and should not have fired. But they were faced with a situation that they thought was under control and became threatening when the students surged and surrounded and trapped them.

The Guard did not react well, but the students brought alot of this on themselves

Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.
 
That's probably why so many political scientists are predicting a break-up of the US in the very near future. They see the writing on the wall, where most Americans are too inundated with propaganda to see anything but our own thoughts and feelings, as formed by the propagandists of our own choosing.

Really? Such as?
 
Bingo, it was the fault of the IDIOT who desided to put armed military at a college.

The students were considered to be violent. They had already burned down a campus building and were destroying other property. They were also pelting campus police with rocks and bottles.
Keep in mind the timeframe of the 60's. The establishment was terrified of the "hippies" taking over and rioting. This was the time of Charlie Manson. These were not peaceful times. The pressure on the Governor to do something was tremendous.
The National Guard over-reacted and should not have fired. But they were faced with a situation that they thought was under control and became threatening when the students surged and surrounded and trapped them.

The Guard did not react well, but the students brought alot of this on themselves

Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.

There weren't enough police.
Besides, this was going on ACROSS THE NATION. It wasn't just random little peace-ins.
 
Oh please.
I didn't notice it was you or I wouldn't have bothered answering anyway.
 
The students were considered to be violent. They had already burned down a campus building and were destroying other property. They were also pelting campus police with rocks and bottles.
Keep in mind the timeframe of the 60's. The establishment was terrified of the "hippies" taking over and rioting. This was the time of Charlie Manson. These were not peaceful times. The pressure on the Governor to do something was tremendous.
The National Guard over-reacted and should not have fired. But they were faced with a situation that they thought was under control and became threatening when the students surged and surrounded and trapped them.

The Guard did not react well, but the students brought alot of this on themselves

Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.

There weren't enough police.
Besides, this was going on ACROSS THE NATION. It wasn't just random little peace-ins.

Martial Law should have also been declared, but it wasn't.
The unversity, the Police, and the guard messed the situation up completely.

They should have declared Martial Law and shut the school down, for one they didn't even cancel classes.
 
Bingo, the guard had NO right to be there aiming their guns at Americans.

It was the governors fault.
 
Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.

There weren't enough police.
Besides, this was going on ACROSS THE NATION. It wasn't just random little peace-ins.

Martial Law should have also been declared, but it wasn't.
The unversity, the Police, and the guard messed the situation up completely.

They should have declared Martial Law and shut the school down, for one they didn't even cancel classes.

Martial law was declared.
"In May 1970, for example, Ohio governor James Rhodes declared limited martial law by sending in National Guard troops to contain a Kent State University protest against the VIETNAM WAR."

Read more: Martial Law - Further Readings Martial Law - Further Readings
 
I did not read the whole thread, so I don't know if it was posted, but I live in Ohio, and Kent State was just declared a National Historic site.
 
Bingo, it was the fault of the IDIOT who desided to put armed military at a college.

The students were considered to be violent. They had already burned down a campus building and were destroying other property. They were also pelting campus police with rocks and bottles.
Keep in mind the timeframe of the 60's. The establishment was terrified of the "hippies" taking over and rioting. This was the time of Charlie Manson. These were not peaceful times. The pressure on the Governor to do something was tremendous.
The National Guard over-reacted and should not have fired. But they were faced with a situation that they thought was under control and became threatening when the students surged and surrounded and trapped them.

The Guard did not react well, but the students brought alot of this on themselves

Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.

The City of Kent did not have enough police. They were quickly overwhelmed by the size of the protest and the violence.

In hindsight, National Guard was not a good idea. But given the arson, attacks and increasing violence coming from the crowd....it seemed like a good idea at the time.

I'm not sure Police or State Police would have reacted differently. The guard was outmaneuvered by the crowd and panicked. Firing went on for a few seconds and many guardsmen fired away from the protesters and ended up hitting students who were far away
 
That's probably why so many political scientists are predicting a break-up of the US in the very near future. They see the writing on the wall, where most Americans are too inundated with propaganda to see anything but our own thoughts and feelings, as formed by the propagandists of our own choosing.

Really? Such as?


Such as it's not my responsibility or desire to educate you on current events. Look it up.
 
Bingo, it was the fault of the IDIOT who desided to put armed military at a college.

The students were considered to be violent. They had already burned down a campus building and were destroying other property. They were also pelting campus police with rocks and bottles.
Keep in mind the timeframe of the 60's. The establishment was terrified of the "hippies" taking over and rioting. This was the time of Charlie Manson. These were not peaceful times. The pressure on the Governor to do something was tremendous.
The National Guard over-reacted and should not have fired. But they were faced with a situation that they thought was under control and became threatening when the students surged and surrounded and trapped them.

The Guard did not react well, but the students brought alot of this on themselves

Then they should have had POLICE there and NOT the MILITARY.

500 unified, violent students...they didn't have enough police to deal with it.
 
Maybe the governor should have followed the law and called for martial law before he brought in troops huh?
 

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