Let's Let President Re-write Every Law He Doesn't Like

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Members here think it's cool that Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act.

Why not let the President re-write abortion laws.

We don't need separation of powers. Let's become a Dictatorship.

Obama bypasses Congress, rewrites welfare reform law with policy directive - National Policy & Issues | Examiner.com
 
It's interesting how he's decided to ignore enforcing DOMA, for example. Whatever you think of the law, it's the president's job to enforce it, not to determine for him/herself what the law is.
 
It's interesting how he's decided to ignore enforcing DOMA, for example. Whatever you think of the law, it's the president's job to enforce it, not to determine for him/herself what the law is.
That is quite true. Unfortunately we are stuck with a Marxist that thinks he should be dictator. He will use every method available to him to bend laws, ignore laws, create laws as he sees fit in the light of his Marxist upbringing and education.

The welfare shenanigans might be the turning point. .....Hopey-Changey Obama is starting to look like the desperate, mud slinging, Chicago dirtbag politician that we all know he is....

Dismantling Welfare Reform: Why Romney's Four-Point Lead Might Be Real
He has looked like a desperate, mud-slinging, Chicago dirtbag politician to me for years now. I caught on to that shit when he was campaigning against the other Democratic hopefuls in the Primary.

Obama is a worthless Marxist. He has NO legitimate place in the government of the United States.

I will be extremely pleased when he leaves the scene...by any means whatsoever!
 
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Members here think it's cool that Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act.

Why not let the President re-write abortion laws.

We don't need separation of powers. Let's become a Dictatorship.

Obama bypasses Congress, rewrites welfare reform law with policy directive - National Policy & Issues | Examiner.com
he didn't rewrite the welfare law, he did give the Republican Governors a waiver....

GOV Romney IS ON RECORD for REQUESTING the waiver for the States himself, when he was Governor....just do a google on it....your candidate asked for this waiver....with room for the states to better utilize their own welfare programs.
 
ALL the things you guys hate about liberals, Romney has done himself...how in the world did you nominate him as your choice?
 
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Members here think it's cool that Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act.

Why not let the President re-write abortion laws.

We don't need separation of powers. Let's become a Dictatorship.

Obama bypasses Congress, rewrites welfare reform law with policy directive - National Policy & Issues | Examiner.com

Here we go. It's whack-a-mole time again.

It has been carefully explained in past topics that Congress wrote the ability for HHS to grant waivers into the law. So if HHS is granting waivers, that is not "Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act". That is HHS following the law Congress wrote, EXACTLY.
 
The Welfare Reform Act does not permit waivers for the work requirements of the law. This is clearly spelled out in Section 415. You can read the entire bill for yourself here: Bill Text - 104th Congress (1995-1996) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

A person still has to work a certain number of hours to qualify for work. There is no wiggle room for that.

However, what HHS is doing is redefining what qualifies as "work". They have redefined "work" to include job training or classroom attendance. Some bongwater drinkers would have you believe it was redefined as watching TV at home.

So the debate is not about Obama-as-Dictator. It is about what the definition of "work" is.

Should job training count to get welfare? If a person is trying to enter a new career field because those construction jobs just aren't coming back, you going to withhold welfare from him while he attends college or job training to learn a new skill?
 
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Members here think it's cool that Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act.

Why not let the President re-write abortion laws.

We don't need separation of powers. Let's become a Dictatorship.

Obama bypasses Congress, rewrites welfare reform law with policy directive - National Policy & Issues | Examiner.com

Here we go. It's whack-a-mole time again.

It has been carefully explained in past topics that Congress wrote the ability for HHS to grant waivers into the law. So if HHS is granting waivers, that is not "Obama re-wrote the Welfare Reform Act". That is HHS following the law Congress wrote, EXACTLY.

Wrong. That's what they told you.

Here is the correct interpretation...

Obama’s Trick to Get Around Work Requirements

Today the Obama Administration issued a new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements can be waived or overridden by a legal device called the section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).
Section 1115 states that “the Secretary may waive compliance with any of the requirements” of specified parts of various laws. But this is not an open-ended authority: Any provision of law that can be waived under section 1115 must be listed in section 1115 itself. The work provisions of the TANF program are contained in section 407 (entitled, appropriately, “mandatory work requirements”). Critically, this section, as well as most other TANF requirements, are deliberately not listed in section 1115; they are not waiveable.
In establishing TANF, Congress deliberately exempted or shielded nearly all of the TANF program from the section 1115 waiver authority. They did not want the law to be rewritten at the whim of Health and Human Services (HHS) bureaucrats. Of the roughly 35 sections of the TANF law, only one is listed as waiveable under section 1115. This is section 402.
Section 402 describes state plans—reports that state governments must file to HHS describing the actions they will undertake to comply with the many requirements established in the other sections of the TANF law. The authority to waive section 402 provides the option to waive state reporting requirements only, not to overturn the core requirements of the TANF program contained in the other sections of the TANF law.
The new Obama dictate asserts that because the work requirements, established in section 407, are mentioned as an item that state governments must report about in section 402, all the work requirements can be waived. This removes the core of the TANF program; TANF becomes a blank slate that HHS bureaucrats and liberal state bureaucrats can rewrite at will.

Congressional Research Service: “There Are No TANF Waivers”

In a December 2001 document, “Welfare Reform Waivers and TANF,” the non-partisan Congressional Research Service clarified that the limited authority to waive state reporting requirement in section 402 does not grant authority to override work and other major requirements in the other sections of the TANF law (sections that were deliberately not listed under the section 1115 waiver authority):

"Technically, there is waiver authority for TANF state plan requirement; however, [the] major TANF requirements are not in state plans. Effectively, there are no TANF waivers."

Obama Guts Welfare Reform
 
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Here is the letter the republican governors wrote in 2005 regarding the need for the States to have flexibility on this....

With romney's signature on it.

http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf

From that letter:

The Senate bill provides states with the flexibility to manage their TANF programs and effectively serve low-income populations. Increased waiver authority, allowable work activities, availability of partial work credit and the ability to coordinate state programs are all important aspects of moving recipients from welfare to work.
 
Here is the letter the republican governors wrote in 2005 regarding the need for the States to have flexibility on this....

With romney's signature on it.

http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf

From that letter:

The Senate bill provides states with the flexibility to manage their TANF programs and effectively serve low-income populations. Increased waiver authority, allowable work activities, availability of partial work credit and the ability to coordinate state programs are all important aspects of moving recipients from welfare to work.

The law was written to keep Liberals from waiving the work requirements. Mitt signing it doesn't mean he wants to pay people to take classes or watch TV.
 
I'd like to see Newt weigh in on this.

He could make short work of this.


Dick Morris, the former Top Advisor to President Bill Clinton during the Welfare Reform Legislation Enactment in the 1990's explained it wonderfully lastnight.

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Here is Section 407 of the Social Security Act which describes the work requirements to qualify for TANF.

Number of weeks for which job search counts as work.—

(i) Limitation.—Notwithstanding paragraph (1) of this subsection, an individual shall not be considered to be engaged in work by virtue of participation in an activity described in subsection (d)(6) of a State program funded under this part or any other State program funded with qualified State expenditures (as defined in section 409(a)(7)(B)(i)), after the individual has participated in such an activity for 6 weeks (or, if the unemployment rate of the State is at least 50 percent greater than the unemployment rate of the United States or the State is a needy State within the meaning of section 403(b)(6)), 12 weeks), or if the participation is for a week that immediately follows 4 consecutive weeks of such participation.

This means if you look for a job for more than 6 weeks out of the entire year, nothing after that period counts as work and will not qualify you for welfare. Or if you look for a job for 5 weeks in a row, only 4 of those weeks count.

If you have been out of work for 8 weeks and are busting your ass looking for a job, that does not count.

Here is section 6d which describes what counts as work. Keep in mind, according to the section I quoted above, nothing in 6d counts if you have been doing it for more than 6 weeks in the whole year, or for more than 4 weeks in a row.

Work Activities Defined.—As used in this section, the term “work activities” means—

(1) unsubsidized employment;

(2) subsidized private sector employment;

(3) subsidized public sector employment;

(4) work experience (including work associated with the refurbishing of publicly assisted housing) if sufficient private sector employment is not available;

(5) on-the-job training;

(6) job search and job readiness assistance;

(7) community service programs;

(8) vocational educational training (not to exceed 12 months with respect to any individual);

(9) job skills training directly related to employment;

(10) education directly related to employment, in the case of a recipient who has not received a high school diploma or a certificate of high school equivalency;

(11) satisfactory attendance at secondary school or in a course of study leading to a certificate of general equivalence, in the case of a recipient who has not completed secondary school or received such a certificate; and

(12) the provision of child care services to an individual who is participating in a community service program.
 
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Here is Section 407 of the Social Security Act which describes the work requirements to qualify for TANF.

Number of weeks for which job search counts as work.—

(i) Limitation.—Notwithstanding paragraph (1) of this subsection, an individual shall not be considered to be engaged in work by virtue of participation in an activity described in subsection (d)(6) of a State program funded under this part or any other State program funded with qualified State expenditures (as defined in section 409(a)(7)(B)(i)), after the individual has participated in such an activity for 6 weeks (or, if the unemployment rate of the State is at least 50 percent greater than the unemployment rate of the United States or the State is a needy State within the meaning of section 403(b)(6)), 12 weeks), or if the participation is for a week that immediately follows 4 consecutive weeks of such participation.

This means if you look for a job for more than 6 weeks out of the entire year, nothing after that period counts as work and will not qualify you for welfare. Or if you look for a job for 5 weeks in a row, only 4 of those weeks count.

If you have been out of work for 8 weeks and are busting your ass looking for a job, that does not count.

Here is section 6d which describes what counts as work. Keep in mind, according to the section I quoted above, nothing in 6d counts if you have been doing it for more than 6 weeks in the whole year, or for more than 4 weeks in a row.

Work Activities Defined.—As used in this section, the term “work activities” means—

(1) unsubsidized employment;

(2) subsidized private sector employment;

(3) subsidized public sector employment;

(4) work experience (including work associated with the refurbishing of publicly assisted housing) if sufficient private sector employment is not available;

(5) on-the-job training;

(6) job search and job readiness assistance;

(7) community service programs;

(8) vocational educational training (not to exceed 12 months with respect to any individual);

(9) job skills training directly related to employment;

(10) education directly related to employment, in the case of a recipient who has not received a high school diploma or a certificate of high school equivalency;

(11) satisfactory attendance at secondary school or in a course of study leading to a certificate of general equivalence, in the case of a recipient who has not completed secondary school or received such a certificate; and

(12) the provision of child care services to an individual who is participating in a community service program.

So what?

Along with being a Middle-Eastern expert and HF Commo expert, you're a fucken lawyer too?

The shit is getting deep.
 

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