Lets Jews aka Israelis take care of themselves.

[Indeependent]

BTW...I have no problem with Israel existing.

You have a big problem with the Jewish state.

But Israel is especially immoral because according to Judaism,

Another expert in Judaism.

It is not hard to be an expert in Judaism.
All you have to do is be Jewish and learn the true history that Jews are all taught.
There is not one Jew who is not taught that it is a sin to return to Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

Quote?
Link?

 

[Rigby5]

Obviously, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Hello?

Proof of lying requires you to prove intent to deceive.

And you cannot do that unless the person in question admits to the deception. Which you have not shown they have done. Thus, there is ZERO, factual proof of lying on her part on this.

Again...DUH.

You don’t know dip about Israel.

Wow...now there is a statement that is easily to verify...NOT.

So the ENTIRE sum of your intellect thought and pondered...and came up with that?!?

So noted.



Have a nice day.

And the entire sum of your perspective?
FuckTheJews.org?

You’ve ever been to Israel?
I guess you reject any vote the UN holds except for anti-Israel Resolutions by Muslims and African nations that are murdering their own citizens.

So how about those post WWII created nations that have been at war with other for decades?

But Israel is BAD!

why in the heck would one want to go to Israel??

Because its a haven in a dangerous part of the world....if you went to Syria or Jordan or anywhere else in that Muslim part of the world you would be kidnapped tortured and maybe killed just for being a westerner...if you went to Israel you would be welcomed and safe....what is wrong with you?.....

But Ashkenazi Jews are not from the Mideast. Their native language, Yiddish, is of Germanic origins.
They should never have gone to the Mideast, where they do not at all belong.
European Jews were offered many choices, including part of Poland, or in Zanzibar, Uruguay, Spain, etc.
Put they instead insisted on Palestine, where they clearly intended to murder and steal land.

You are an idiot though if you think Syria, Jordan, etc., are at all unsafe.
I know dozens of westerner living there very comfortably.

 

[Rigby5]

Obviously, reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Hello?

Proof of lying requires you to prove intent to deceive.

And you cannot do that unless the person in question admits to the deception. Which you have not shown they have done. Thus, there is ZERO, factual proof of lying on her part on this.

Again...DUH.

You don’t know dip about Israel.

Wow...now there is a statement that is easily to verify...NOT.

So the ENTIRE sum of your intellect thought and pondered...and came up with that?!?

So noted.



Have a nice day.

And the entire sum of your perspective?
FuckTheJews.org?

You’ve ever been to Israel?
I guess you reject any vote the UN holds except for anti-Israel Resolutions by Muslims and African nations that are murdering their own citizens.

So how about those post WWII created nations that have been at war with other for decades?

But Israel is BAD!

why in the heck would one want to go to Israel??

Obviously you haven’t been there.
But you don’t even believe in your own Bible.

The Bible is quite clear that Jews are not native to the Land of Canaan, that they invaded, and massacred Canaanites at Jericho.
Jews instead are native to the Sinai, where they lived before they went to Egypt, for help surviving a drought.
There was no drought in the Land of Canaan ever, so that is not where Jews ever came from.

 

[Indeependent]

You don’t know dip about Israel.

Wow...now there is a statement that is easily to verify...NOT.

So the ENTIRE sum of your intellect thought and pondered...and came up with that?!?

So noted.



Have a nice day.

And the entire sum of your perspective?
FuckTheJews.org?

You’ve ever been to Israel?
I guess you reject any vote the UN holds except for anti-Israel Resolutions by Muslims and African nations that are murdering their own citizens.

So how about those post WWII created nations that have been at war with other for decades?

But Israel is BAD!

why in the heck would one want to go to Israel??

Obviously you haven’t been there.
But you don’t even believe in your own Bible.

The Bible is quite clear that Jews are not native to the Land of Canaan, that they invaded, and massacred Canaanites at Jericho.
Jews instead are native to the Sinai, where they lived before they went to Egypt, for help surviving a drought.
There was no drought in the Land of Canaan ever, so that is not where Jews ever came from.

Thanks for showing how you Cherry Pick the Torah.
Which of Noach’s sons settled The Land of Israel and who fought a war to take it away from them?

 

[Rigby5]

If you say you can't live next to or with people of a different faith you are blasted by everyone unless the people you can't abide are Israeli.....

Maybe one day you Jew hater Muslim lovers will explain that one to me.....
It wasn't Jews that flew jets into our buildings......

You are not very bright.
Jews in the Mideast were under Muslim rule for centuries, so then clearly Muslims never had any problem with Jews.
In fact, it was ONLY Christians who ever had any problem with Jews and tried to murder them.
But you seem to be totally ignoring that by the US supplying all the B-17 bombers, P-51 Mustangs, M-4 Shermans, etc., to the Zionists in 1948, that the US became responsible for all the massacres committed by Zionists, and DESERVED having jets flown into buildings.
The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.
No theocracy should ever exist as long as any other religion exists within that country.
It has to be inherently discriminatory, and Israel is about the worst I have ever seen.

Any non-Muslim had to pay an anti-Beheading Tax.
But you already knew that.

Liar.
Muslims pay their social welfare taxes in the Mosque.
The Jixa, meaning gift from God, is only equal to what all Muslims pay in the Mosque.
It is not an extra tax, but simply everyone paying equally, since Jews can't go to the Mosque and pay.

 

[Indeependent]

If you say you can't live next to or with people of a different faith you are blasted by everyone unless the people you can't abide are Israeli.....

Maybe one day you Jew hater Muslim lovers will explain that one to me.....
It wasn't Jews that flew jets into our buildings......

You are not very bright.
Jews in the Mideast were under Muslim rule for centuries, so then clearly Muslims never had any problem with Jews.
In fact, it was ONLY Christians who ever had any problem with Jews and tried to murder them.
But you seem to be totally ignoring that by the US supplying all the B-17 bombers, P-51 Mustangs, M-4 Shermans, etc., to the Zionists in 1948, that the US became responsible for all the massacres committed by Zionists, and DESERVED having jets flown into buildings.
The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.
No theocracy should ever exist as long as any other religion exists within that country.
It has to be inherently discriminatory, and Israel is about the worst I have ever seen.

Any non-Muslim had to pay an anti-Beheading Tax.
But you already knew that.

Liar.
Muslims pay their social welfare taxes in the Mosque.
The Jixa, meaning gift from God, is only equal to what all Muslims pay in the Mosque.
It is not an extra tax, but simply everyone paying equally, since Jews can't go to the Mosque and pay.

During the Golden Era of Islam, Jews paid a Tax to avoid being beheaded.

 

[Indeependent]

If you say you can't live next to or with people of a different faith you are blasted by everyone unless the people you can't abide are Israeli.....

Maybe one day you Jew hater Muslim lovers will explain that one to me.....
It wasn't Jews that flew jets into our buildings......

You are not very bright.
Jews in the Mideast were under Muslim rule for centuries, so then clearly Muslims never had any problem with Jews.
In fact, it was ONLY Christians who ever had any problem with Jews and tried to murder them.
But you seem to be totally ignoring that by the US supplying all the B-17 bombers, P-51 Mustangs, M-4 Shermans, etc., to the Zionists in 1948, that the US became responsible for all the massacres committed by Zionists, and DESERVED having jets flown into buildings.
The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.
No theocracy should ever exist as long as any other religion exists within that country.
It has to be inherently discriminatory, and Israel is about the worst I have ever seen.

Any non-Muslim had to pay an anti-Beheading Tax.
But you already knew that.

Liar.
Muslims pay their social welfare taxes in the Mosque.
The Jixa, meaning gift from God, is only equal to what all Muslims pay in the Mosque.
It is not an extra tax, but simply everyone paying equally, since Jews can't go to the Mosque and pay.

Where’s the Link I asked for?

 

[Rigby5]

BTW...I have no problem with Israel existing.

You have a big problem with the Jewish state.

But Israel is especially immoral because according to Judaism,

Another expert in Judaism.

It is not hard to be an expert in Judaism.
All you have to do is be Jewish and learn the true history that Jews are all taught.
There is not one Jew who is not taught that it is a sin to return to Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

Quote?
Link?

Judaism after the Temple’s Destruction

{...
In 70 CE, Roman centurions—in the midst of quashing a Jewish revolt against the emperor’s authority—sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. This event, writes Martin Goodman, “demanded a religious explanation” in the eyes of most Jews. In an excerpt from his new book on the history of Judaism, he explains how they reacted to this trauma:

For ordinary Jews, such as [the historian] Josephus, the obvious explanation for disaster was already predicted in biblical texts about the curses that awaited Israel for failing to keep to the covenant with God, and in the numerous promises of redemption when Israel repents of its sins. . . . By implication, a reformed Israel was guaranteed divine aid, and exile from the holy city of Jerusalem would in due course come to an end. . . . Josephus, writing in the mid-90s CE, took it for granted that Jews were expected still to worship in the Temple, boasting in Against Apion about its excellence. . . .

It is however probable that Josephus was not alone among Jews in expecting the rebuilding of the Temple. A hundred years after him, the compiler of the Mishnah in ca. 200 CE included discussion of the detailed practice of Temple worship—not just the set feasts (Sabbath, the pilgrim festivals, the Day of Atonement) but the general treatment of “hallowed things” (animal offerings, meal offerings, sacrilege) and the dimensions of the Temple building and its constituent parts. . . . In due course Jews were to develop new expressions of Judaism that came to terms with the loss of the Temple, but it is not clear how long it took for the yearning for a rebuilt Temple to subside. . . .

Temple imagery and reference to the priestly “courses” in many mosaic inscriptions on synagogue floors of the 5th and 6th centuries CE have encouraged speculation that Jews in this period harbored hopes for an imminent rebuilding, but this may be an over-interpretation. In any case, [by the 5th century] rebuilding was not a practical possibility under Christian rulers intent on turning Palestine into a Christian holy land in which Jesus’ prediction of the destruction of the Temple could be witnessed as fulfilled.
...}

jewish_anti-zionism - Jews Against Zionism

{...

In Britain, Lucien Wolf asserted that Zionism is "an ignorant and narrow-minded view of a great problem—ignorant because it takes no account of the decisive element of progress in history; and narrow-minded because it confounds a political memory with a religious ideal." Wolf was of the opinion that Jews were "Aryans" not different from other Europeans. Since all the nations of Europe are more or less of the same "race," it is not clear to the modern mind why that would invalidate Jewish nationalism. However, in the contemporary context it must have been a valid-seeming point. Notwithstanding the putative Aryan origin of the Jews, Wolf was soon joining with Israel Zangwill in a project to create a Zionist colony in East Africa. Perhaps the main drawback of the Zionist movement for people like Wolf is that they were not leading it.

Laurie Magnes wrote:

"A flight which is no flight, an abandonment, and an evacuation—this is the modern rendering of the Messianic hope: instead of Gentiles coming to the light, Dr. Herzl offers the petty picture of Jews content, like foreign visitors, with a 'favorable welcome and treatment.' We have called this a travesty of Judaism. But it is more than satire—it is treason. Dr. Herzl and those who think with him are traitors to the history of the Jews, which they misread and misinterpret. They are themselves part authors of the anti-Semitism which they profess to slay. For how can the European countries which the Jews propose to 'abandon' justify their retention of the Jews? And why should civil equality have been won by the strenuous exertion of the Jews, if the Jews themselves be the first to 'evacuate' their position, and to claim the bare courtesy of 'foreign visitors'?" (Magnes, L., Aspects of the Jewish Question," London, 1902 p. 18)

The Jewish adherents of Marxism were likewise constrained by the doctrine of internationalism, and the Marxist view of the Jewish problem, from accepting the validity of Zionism. Nationalism was the product of capitalist society according to Marxist dogma. Therefore, nationalism in the waning days of capitalism was inherently reactionary. It would vanish with the dissolution of capitalism in the imminent world revolution. Marxism seemed to offer an ideal solution of the Jewish problem in the abolition of all nationalism, and many Jews were anxious to assert their "internationalism." In fact, however, Marxist "internationalism" was almost wholly Jewish in origin. Ultimately, Soviet Marxism was in fact to accept the validity of almost every national struggle, with the exception of that of the Jews, Tatars, Chechnyans and the other unfortunate peoples who suffered genocide at the hands of Stalin.

Despite the opposition of the Jewish establishment to Zionism, the Jewish Encyclopedia was able to report in 1911, only 14 years after the first Zionist congress:

The extent to which the Zionist idea has spread among the Jewish people may be seen not only in the number of Jews affiliated with the Zionist organization and congress, but also in the fact that there is hardly a nook or corner of the Jewish world in which Zionistic societies are not to be found. Even where no such organizations exist expressions of approval and adhesion have come from bodies of Jews who have lived practically cut off from all connection with the course of Jewish life. Notable were communications, together with subscriptions for the fund, from a band of descendants of Portuguese Jews in Manecoré in Amazonas, Brazil (March 12, 1901), from Jews settled in Chile, and from the Jadid al-Islam in Khorasan (1901); while societies exist in Tshita (Siberia, on the Manchurian border), Tashkent, Bokhara, Rangoon (Burma), Nagasaki, Tokyo, Hongkong, Singapore, and among the American soldiers in the Philippines. The Shanghai Zionist Association was founded in 1903; the Dr. Herzl East Africa Zionist Association in Nairobi (East-African Protectorate) in 1904. In Australia there are four Zionist federations: New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, and West Australia. Queensland has its own federation with its center in Brisbane, and New Zealand has several societies. Even among the Russian Jews settled by the Jewish Colonization Association in Argentina, there is a federation comprising four societies. A Zionist congress was held there May 16, 1904, comprising delegates of 1,150 shekel-paying members. In every country of Europe, in the United States, along the North-African coast, and in Palestine similar societies are to be found. At the St. Louis Exposition, 1904, the Zionist flag (blue and white stripes, with a "Magen Dawid" in the center) floated from one of the buildings together with those of other nationalities.

The above progress is surprising if one reads only the polemics of contemporary Jewish anti-Zionists and takes them as representative of the feelings of "the Jews." The different ideological justifications for anti-Zionism, from religious leaders, racist cranks and Marxists, all had the same basis. The Jewish leadership, the classes who had traditionally appointed themselves to represent "the Jews," faced a revolt. Zionism represented the will of the Jewish people.

Contrary to the dark imaginings of anti-Zionists and anti-Semites, there did not exist any real "international Jewry" in the sense of an organized international Jewish community, prior to the rise of Zionism. There were no Elders of Zion, no protocols and no secret plan. However, on the positive side, contrary to the dogma of anti-Zionists, the informal community and commonality of Jews around the world was a self-evident fact of every day life, that could only be denied by ignoring the commonplaces of Jewish life. A Jew arriving in Paris from Minsk would seek out the Jewish community where he was welcome, and not the community of Russian expatriates. A Polish Jewish immigrant to the United States could expect to be received with condescension but with charity by the established Jews of that country, many of whom had come from Germany. He or she might expect to find employment in the Jewish-controlled garment industry of New York and other Jewish endeavors. Among Polish Christian immigrants to the United States, Polish Jews were certainly not welcome. Hebrew literature and poetry of the Diaspora, as well as the ancient holy books, were kept alive by Jewish culture in London and Berlin and Baghdad and Tehran. On the negative side, it was not necessary to wait for the rise of Nazism to understand that "Jewishness" could not be erased by modern garb or even conversion to Christianity. Jewish Marxists found they could not reconcile the professed internationalism of Marxism with the obvious anti-Semitism of many Jewish Marxists. In Germany, assimilation and integration were obvious failures. Nobody would seriously contend that Karl Marx or Felix Mendelssohn or Benjamin Disraeli were not viewed as "Jews," and the Jewish origin of many such newly minted Christians followed hem about for many generations.

The fact of Jewish nationalism and national identity asserted itself against doctrines that proved to be unrealistic or outmoded. One by one, each of the anti-Zionist movements and communities, among those who survived the persecutions of the twentieth century, fell into line with what Marxists would call "historical necessity." In part, the practical demonstration of Zionism that it was possible to gather the Jews in Israel, and to have Jewish workers and a Jewish army, dissipated the skepticism of earlier years. In part, the anti-Semitism of the USSR as well as the Holocaust provided horrible proof that "progress" would not necessarily wipe out anti-Semitism.

The transformation of the reform Jewish community, who were the quintessential anti-Zionists, into avid Zionists, is nearly complete by the beginning of the twenty first century. The Orthodox Jewish community likewise took up the Zionist flag. Many of the ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist groups, while never admitting that they are Zionists, came to be zealous supporters not only of Israel, but of aggressive Zionism. Marxist Jews early split off to form a Socialist Zionist movement. Later the Marxist Jewish Bund was formed because the fact of Jewish national identity was too strong to be denied. Plekhanov sneered, not without some truth, that Bundists were Zionists who were afraid of seasickness.

...}

 

[Marion Morrison]

Unfortunately, most Americans have been so brain washed by the media that they think Israel is our de facto 51st state which we are obligated to defend and economically support, as though it was written into the Constitution. ...

Our fighter planes run on technology they developed. Whatcha gonna do?

3.8 billion to Israel is better than 5 billion to Palestine via the UN to print terrorist textbooks and teach kids how to be suicide bombers.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have no problem with a state which according to you "steal land and treat it's former citizens (the Palestinians) like virtual excrement"? Really?

The so called Palestinians have been kicked out of every Muslim nation in the region...they strapped bombs to themselves just to kill Jews....The Palestinians were exiled because they were killing people.....The Palestinians are murdering hateful people....if they change for the better the situation they are in will follow....

That is incredibly ignorant.
Palestinians have never moved, and are likely the oldest cultures in the entire Mideast.
They are the Canaanites, Akkadians, Urites, Amorites, Chaldeans, Phoenicians, Philistines, etc.
They never left or lived elsewhere.
They commit suicide when there is no other choice and their homes are being stolen.
Anyone would do the same.
The Palestinians were never exiled until Zionists wanted their homes, and there was no legal basis for killing them or forcing them to leave.
Israelis all deserve to die unless they give back the Palestinian homes.

You are thinking of Palestinians as a generalization of all the people who lived in Ancient Canaan.

The people above, including the Hebrew/Israelites of the time, never called themselves and much less thought of themselves as Palestinians.

None of the people who lived there at the time are ever referred to by any of their neighbors, or traders, or invaders as Palestinians.

Today, the people who call themselves Palestinians, do so because of the Mandate of Palestine, a Mandate they did not want
because it meant that the indigenous people, the Jews, were going to become sovereign of their own destiny and away from Muslim oppression.

Today, the people who call themselves Palestinians did not decide to call themselves by that name but were forced to accept that identity by Arafat and the Russian KGB from 1964 on.


It is easy to confuse the name of a region, given by the Romans to make the indigenous Jews of the land forget about their identity and stop fighting the Romans, as history does attest to.

The Romans changed the name of Judea and of Jerusalem and closed Jerusalem to all Jews, so that the Jews would stop fighting.
There were NO other people fighting the Romans at the time, or the Greeks and Persians before them, or the Assyrians before them.

Most of the tribes of Ancient Canaan you specify became either part of the Nation of Israel, became Jewish, or blended with other people, or invaders.


Arabs are NOT and have never been indigenous of Ancient Canaan, which is why they get their identity from the Peninsula they came from and the language which became the common one amongst them in that Peninsula.

A Peninsula which most of them only left after Islam came to be founded in the 7th Century CE.

Today's people who call themselves Palestinians, are Arabs who simply found themselves stuck in the Mandate for Palestine and the Muslim leadership refusal to allow the Jews to be sovereign over their own ancient Homeland.

And considering that about 80 % IS in the hands of Arabs from Arabia, there is really nothing the Arabs have to complain about, since they got most of the land which was really meant to go to the indigenous Jewish people.

Refusing to create a Palestinian State only because a Jewish one exists is the only reason why the conflict continues.

The "Palestinians" are intent in following Mohammad's teachings against the Jews he defeated in Arabia. Lie to them, promise anything , get them off their guard, and then attack and kill them.


Jews and Israelis have always taken care of themselves.
And they take care of many Arabs and others, nowadays, in and outside of Israel, who cannot take care of themselves.

It is not being able to destroy Israel and having all Jews return to being oppressed and at Christian and Muslim hands any time those two religious leaders wish, really upsets those leaders and haters of Jews.

Too bad.

 

[Rigby5]

If you say you can't live next to or with people of a different faith you are blasted by everyone unless the people you can't abide are Israeli.....

Maybe one day you Jew hater Muslim lovers will explain that one to me.....
It wasn't Jews that flew jets into our buildings......

You are not very bright.
Jews in the Mideast were under Muslim rule for centuries, so then clearly Muslims never had any problem with Jews.
In fact, it was ONLY Christians who ever had any problem with Jews and tried to murder them.
But you seem to be totally ignoring that by the US supplying all the B-17 bombers, P-51 Mustangs, M-4 Shermans, etc., to the Zionists in 1948, that the US became responsible for all the massacres committed by Zionists, and DESERVED having jets flown into buildings.
The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.
No theocracy should ever exist as long as any other religion exists within that country.
It has to be inherently discriminatory, and Israel is about the worst I have ever seen.

Any non-Muslim had to pay an anti-Beheading Tax.
But you already knew that.

Liar.
Muslims pay their social welfare taxes in the Mosque.
The Jixa, meaning gift from God, is only equal to what all Muslims pay in the Mosque.
It is not an extra tax, but simply everyone paying equally, since Jews can't go to the Mosque and pay.

During the Golden Era of Islam, Jews paid a Tax to avoid being beheaded.

Totally and completely false.
Jews never paid any taxes any more than any Muslim.
The Quran explicitly forbids abuse of Jews in any way.

 

[Rambunctious]

You don’t know dip about Israel.

Wow...now there is a statement that is easily to verify...NOT.

So the ENTIRE sum of your intellect thought and pondered...and came up with that?!?

So noted.



Have a nice day.

And the entire sum of your perspective?
FuckTheJews.org?

You’ve ever been to Israel?
I guess you reject any vote the UN holds except for anti-Israel Resolutions by Muslims and African nations that are murdering their own citizens.

So how about those post WWII created nations that have been at war with other for decades?

But Israel is BAD!

why in the heck would one want to go to Israel??

Because its a haven in a dangerous part of the world....if you went to Syria or Jordan or anywhere else in that Muslim part of the world you would be kidnapped tortured and maybe killed just for being a westerner...if you went to Israel you would be welcomed and safe....what is wrong with you?.....

But Ashkenazi Jews are not from the Mideast. Their native language, Yiddish, is of Germanic origins.
They should never have gone to the Mideast, where they do not at all belong.
European Jews were offered many choices, including part of Poland, or in Zanzibar, Uruguay, Spain, etc.
Put they instead insisted on Palestine, where they clearly intended to murder and steal land.

You are an idiot though if you think Syria, Jordan, etc., are at all unsafe.
I know dozens of westerner living there very comfortably.

Where should they have gone?...Back to Germany?...it was still burning....tell us where you wanted them to be placed that makes more sense than Israel....
New York? LA? Texas? Mexico? where?

 

[Rigby5]

Unfortunately, most Americans have been so brain washed by the media that they think Israel is our de facto 51st state which we are obligated to defend and economically support, as though it was written into the Constitution. ...

Our fighter planes run on technology they developed. Whatcha gonna do?

3.8 billion to Israel is better than 5 billion to Palestine via the UN to print terrorist textbooks and teach kids how to be suicide bombers.

You have your numbers wrong.
First of all, it is Israel that gets more like $5 billion a year once you count all the loans they never expect to repay, etc.
And second is that Palestine only gets about $200 million a year, barely enough to provide clean water and waste removal.

If you don't want suicide bombers, then don't do things that deserve it.

 

[keepitreal]

If you say you can't live next to or with people of a different faith you are blasted by everyone unless the people you can't abide are Israeli.....

Maybe one day you Jew hater Muslim lovers will explain that one to me.....
It wasn't Jews that flew jets into our buildings......

You are not very bright.
Jews in the Mideast were under Muslim rule for centuries, so then clearly Muslims never had any problem with Jews.
In fact, it was ONLY Christians who ever had any problem with Jews and tried to murder them.
But you seem to be totally ignoring that by the US supplying all the B-17 bombers, P-51 Mustangs, M-4 Shermans, etc., to the Zionists in 1948, that the US became responsible for all the massacres committed by Zionists, and DESERVED having jets flown into buildings.
The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.
No theocracy should ever exist as long as any other religion exists within that country.
It has to be inherently discriminatory, and Israel is about the worst I have ever seen.

The US created Israel totally out of thin air in 1948, through the UN, and there is no legal basis for doing that.
Israel should not exist.

Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion was in labor,
She gave birth to her children.
Shall I bring to the time of birth,
and not cause delivery? says the Lord
Shall I who cause delivery
shut up the womb? says your God

Isaiah 66:8-9

God established Israel, like He said He would
Israel has to exist for prophesy to come to pass

 

[Indeependent]

You have a big problem with the Jewish state.

But Israel is especially immoral because according to Judaism,

Another expert in Judaism.

It is not hard to be an expert in Judaism.
All you have to do is be Jewish and learn the true history that Jews are all taught.
There is not one Jew who is not taught that it is a sin to return to Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

Quote?
Link?

Judaism after the Temple’s Destruction

{...
In 70 CE, Roman centurions—in the midst of quashing a Jewish revolt against the emperor’s authority—sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. This event, writes Martin Goodman, “demanded a religious explanation” in the eyes of most Jews. In an excerpt from his new book on the history of Judaism, he explains how they reacted to this trauma:

For ordinary Jews, such as [the historian] Josephus, the obvious explanation for disaster was already predicted in biblical texts about the curses that awaited Israel for failing to keep to the covenant with God, and in the numerous promises of redemption when Israel repents of its sins. . . . By implication, a reformed Israel was guaranteed divine aid, and exile from the holy city of Jerusalem would in due course come to an end. . . . Josephus, writing in the mid-90s CE, took it for granted that Jews were expected still to worship in the Temple, boasting in Against Apion about its excellence. . . .

It is however probable that Josephus was not alone among Jews in expecting the rebuilding of the Temple. A hundred years after him, the compiler of the Mishnah in ca. 200 CE included discussion of the detailed practice of Temple worship—not just the set feasts (Sabbath, the pilgrim festivals, the Day of Atonement) but the general treatment of “hallowed things” (animal offerings, meal offerings, sacrilege) and the dimensions of the Temple building and its constituent parts. . . . In due course Jews were to develop new expressions of Judaism that came to terms with the loss of the Temple, but it is not clear how long it took for the yearning for a rebuilt Temple to subside. . . .

Temple imagery and reference to the priestly “courses” in many mosaic inscriptions on synagogue floors of the 5th and 6th centuries CE have encouraged speculation that Jews in this period harbored hopes for an imminent rebuilding, but this may be an over-interpretation. In any case, [by the 5th century] rebuilding was not a practical possibility under Christian rulers intent on turning Palestine into a Christian holy land in which Jesus’ prediction of the destruction of the Temple could be witnessed as fulfilled.
...}

jewish_anti-zionism - Jews Against Zionism

{...

In Britain, Lucien Wolf asserted that Zionism is "an ignorant and narrow-minded view of a great problem—ignorant because it takes no account of the decisive element of progress in history; and narrow-minded because it confounds a political memory with a religious ideal." Wolf was of the opinion that Jews were "Aryans" not different from other Europeans. Since all the nations of Europe are more or less of the same "race," it is not clear to the modern mind why that would invalidate Jewish nationalism. However, in the contemporary context it must have been a valid-seeming point. Notwithstanding the putative Aryan origin of the Jews, Wolf was soon joining with Israel Zangwill in a project to create a Zionist colony in East Africa. Perhaps the main drawback of the Zionist movement for people like Wolf is that they were not leading it.

Laurie Magnes wrote:

"A flight which is no flight, an abandonment, and an evacuation—this is the modern rendering of the Messianic hope: instead of Gentiles coming to the light, Dr. Herzl offers the petty picture of Jews content, like foreign visitors, with a 'favorable welcome and treatment.' We have called this a travesty of Judaism. But it is more than satire—it is treason. Dr. Herzl and those who think with him are traitors to the history of the Jews, which they misread and misinterpret. They are themselves part authors of the anti-Semitism which they profess to slay. For how can the European countries which the Jews propose to 'abandon' justify their retention of the Jews? And why should civil equality have been won by the strenuous exertion of the Jews, if the Jews themselves be the first to 'evacuate' their position, and to claim the bare courtesy of 'foreign visitors'?" (Magnes, L., Aspects of the Jewish Question," London, 1902 p. 18)

The Jewish adherents of Marxism were likewise constrained by the doctrine of internationalism, and the Marxist view of the Jewish problem, from accepting the validity of Zionism. Nationalism was the product of capitalist society according to Marxist dogma. Therefore, nationalism in the waning days of capitalism was inherently reactionary. It would vanish with the dissolution of capitalism in the imminent world revolution. Marxism seemed to offer an ideal solution of the Jewish problem in the abolition of all nationalism, and many Jews were anxious to assert their "internationalism." In fact, however, Marxist "internationalism" was almost wholly Jewish in origin. Ultimately, Soviet Marxism was in fact to accept the validity of almost every national struggle, with the exception of that of the Jews, Tatars, Chechnyans and the other unfortunate peoples who suffered genocide at the hands of Stalin.

Despite the opposition of the Jewish establishment to Zionism, the Jewish Encyclopedia was able to report in 1911, only 14 years after the first Zionist congress:

The extent to which the Zionist idea has spread among the Jewish people may be seen not only in the number of Jews affiliated with the Zionist organization and congress, but also in the fact that there is hardly a nook or corner of the Jewish world in which Zionistic societies are not to be found. Even where no such organizations exist expressions of approval and adhesion have come from bodies of Jews who have lived practically cut off from all connection with the course of Jewish life. Notable were communications, together with subscriptions for the fund, from a band of descendants of Portuguese Jews in Manecoré in Amazonas, Brazil (March 12, 1901), from Jews settled in Chile, and from the Jadid al-Islam in Khorasan (1901); while societies exist in Tshita (Siberia, on the Manchurian border), Tashkent, Bokhara, Rangoon (Burma), Nagasaki, Tokyo, Hongkong, Singapore, and among the American soldiers in the Philippines. The Shanghai Zionist Association was founded in 1903; the Dr. Herzl East Africa Zionist Association in Nairobi (East-African Protectorate) in 1904. In Australia there are four Zionist federations: New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, and West Australia. Queensland has its own federation with its center in Brisbane, and New Zealand has several societies. Even among the Russian Jews settled by the Jewish Colonization Association in Argentina, there is a federation comprising four societies. A Zionist congress was held there May 16, 1904, comprising delegates of 1,150 shekel-paying members. In every country of Europe, in the United States, along the North-African coast, and in Palestine similar societies are to be found. At the St. Louis Exposition, 1904, the Zionist flag (blue and white stripes, with a "Magen Dawid" in the center) floated from one of the buildings together with those of other nationalities.

The above progress is surprising if one reads only the polemics of contemporary Jewish anti-Zionists and takes them as representative of the feelings of "the Jews." The different ideological justifications for anti-Zionism, from religious leaders, racist cranks and Marxists, all had the same basis. The Jewish leadership, the classes who had traditionally appointed themselves to represent "the Jews," faced a revolt. Zionism represented the will of the Jewish people.

Contrary to the dark imaginings of anti-Zionists and anti-Semites, there did not exist any real "international Jewry" in the sense of an organized international Jewish community, prior to the rise of Zionism. There were no Elders of Zion, no protocols and no secret plan. However, on the positive side, contrary to the dogma of anti-Zionists, the informal community and commonality of Jews around the world was a self-evident fact of every day life, that could only be denied by ignoring the commonplaces of Jewish life. A Jew arriving in Paris from Minsk would seek out the Jewish community where he was welcome, and not the community of Russian expatriates. A Polish Jewish immigrant to the United States could expect to be received with condescension but with charity by the established Jews of that country, many of whom had come from Germany. He or she might expect to find employment in the Jewish-controlled garment industry of New York and other Jewish endeavors. Among Polish Christian immigrants to the United States, Polish Jews were certainly not welcome. Hebrew literature and poetry of the Diaspora, as well as the ancient holy books, were kept alive by Jewish culture in London and Berlin and Baghdad and Tehran. On the negative side, it was not necessary to wait for the rise of Nazism to understand that "Jewishness" could not be erased by modern garb or even conversion to Christianity. Jewish Marxists found they could not reconcile the professed internationalism of Marxism with the obvious anti-Semitism of many Jewish Marxists. In Germany, assimilation and integration were obvious failures. Nobody would seriously contend that Karl Marx or Felix Mendelssohn or Benjamin Disraeli were not viewed as "Jews," and the Jewish origin of many such newly minted Christians followed hem about for many generations.

The fact of Jewish nationalism and national identity asserted itself against doctrines that proved to be unrealistic or outmoded. One by one, each of the anti-Zionist movements and communities, among those who survived the persecutions of the twentieth century, fell into line with what Marxists would call "historical necessity." In part, the practical demonstration of Zionism that it was possible to gather the Jews in Israel, and to have Jewish workers and a Jewish army, dissipated the skepticism of earlier years. In part, the anti-Semitism of the USSR as well as the Holocaust provided horrible proof that "progress" would not necessarily wipe out anti-Semitism.

The transformation of the reform Jewish community, who were the quintessential anti-Zionists, into avid Zionists, is nearly complete by the beginning of the twenty first century. The Orthodox Jewish community likewise took up the Zionist flag. Many of the ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist groups, while never admitting that they are Zionists, came to be zealous supporters not only of Israel, but of aggressive Zionism. Marxist Jews early split off to form a Socialist Zionist movement. Later the Marxist Jewish Bund was formed because the fact of Jewish national identity was too strong to be denied. Plekhanov sneered, not without some truth, that Bundists were Zionists who were afraid of seasickness.

...}

You’re quite a tool since you’re using secular scholars who are ignoring the Prophets.
I suggest you catch up with your Bible studies.
Everything in the last 2,000 years was prophesized by Moshe in Deuteronomy.

 

[Sixties Fan]

You have a big problem with the Jewish state.

But Israel is especially immoral because according to Judaism,

Another expert in Judaism.

It is not hard to be an expert in Judaism.
All you have to do is be Jewish and learn the true history that Jews are all taught.
There is not one Jew who is not taught that it is a sin to return to Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah.

Quote?
Link?

Judaism after the Temple’s Destruction

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In 70 CE, Roman centurions—in the midst of quashing a Jewish revolt against the emperor’s authority—sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. This event, writes Martin Goodman, “demanded a religious explanation” in the eyes of most Jews. In an excerpt from his new book on the history of Judaism, he explains how they reacted to this trauma:

For ordinary Jews, such as [the historian] Josephus, the obvious explanation for disaster was already predicted in biblical texts about the curses that awaited Israel for failing to keep to the covenant with God, and in the numerous promises of redemption when Israel repents of its sins. . . . By implication, a reformed Israel was guaranteed divine aid, and exile from the holy city of Jerusalem would in due course come to an end. . . . Josephus, writing in the mid-90s CE, took it for granted that Jews were expected still to worship in the Temple, boasting in Against Apion about its excellence. . . .

It is however probable that Josephus was not alone among Jews in expecting the rebuilding of the Temple. A hundred years after him, the compiler of the Mishnah in ca. 200 CE included discussion of the detailed practice of Temple worship—not just the set feasts (Sabbath, the pilgrim festivals, the Day of Atonement) but the general treatment of “hallowed things” (animal offerings, meal offerings, sacrilege) and the dimensions of the Temple building and its constituent parts. . . . In due course Jews were to develop new expressions of Judaism that came to terms with the loss of the Temple, but it is not clear how long it took for the yearning for a rebuilt Temple to subside. . . .

Temple imagery and reference to the priestly “courses” in many mosaic inscriptions on synagogue floors of the 5th and 6th centuries CE have encouraged speculation that Jews in this period harbored hopes for an imminent rebuilding, but this may be an over-interpretation. In any case, [by the 5th century] rebuilding was not a practical possibility under Christian rulers intent on turning Palestine into a Christian holy land in which Jesus’ prediction of the destruction of the Temple could be witnessed as fulfilled.
...}

jewish_anti-zionism - Jews Against Zionism

{...

In Britain, Lucien Wolf asserted that Zionism is "an ignorant and narrow-minded view of a great problem—ignorant because it takes no account of the decisive element of progress in history; and narrow-minded because it confounds a political memory with a religious ideal." Wolf was of the opinion that Jews were "Aryans" not different from other Europeans. Since all the nations of Europe are more or less of the same "race," it is not clear to the modern mind why that would invalidate Jewish nationalism. However, in the contemporary context it must have been a valid-seeming point. Notwithstanding the putative Aryan origin of the Jews, Wolf was soon joining with Israel Zangwill in a project to create a Zionist colony in East Africa. Perhaps the main drawback of the Zionist movement for people like Wolf is that they were not leading it.

Laurie Magnes wrote:

"A flight which is no flight, an abandonment, and an evacuation—this is the modern rendering of the Messianic hope: instead of Gentiles coming to the light, Dr. Herzl offers the petty picture of Jews content, like foreign visitors, with a 'favorable welcome and treatment.' We have called this a travesty of Judaism. But it is more than satire—it is treason. Dr. Herzl and those who think with him are traitors to the history of the Jews, which they misread and misinterpret. They are themselves part authors of the anti-Semitism which they profess to slay. For how can the European countries which the Jews propose to 'abandon' justify their retention of the Jews? And why should civil equality have been won by the strenuous exertion of the Jews, if the Jews themselves be the first to 'evacuate' their position, and to claim the bare courtesy of 'foreign visitors'?" (Magnes, L., Aspects of the Jewish Question," London, 1902 p. 18)

The Jewish adherents of Marxism were likewise constrained by the doctrine of internationalism, and the Marxist view of the Jewish problem, from accepting the validity of Zionism. Nationalism was the product of capitalist society according to Marxist dogma. Therefore, nationalism in the waning days of capitalism was inherently reactionary. It would vanish with the dissolution of capitalism in the imminent world revolution. Marxism seemed to offer an ideal solution of the Jewish problem in the abolition of all nationalism, and many Jews were anxious to assert their "internationalism." In fact, however, Marxist "internationalism" was almost wholly Jewish in origin. Ultimately, Soviet Marxism was in fact to accept the validity of almost every national struggle, with the exception of that of the Jews, Tatars, Chechnyans and the other unfortunate peoples who suffered genocide at the hands of Stalin.

Despite the opposition of the Jewish establishment to Zionism, the Jewish Encyclopedia was able to report in 1911, only 14 years after the first Zionist congress:

The extent to which the Zionist idea has spread among the Jewish people may be seen not only in the number of Jews affiliated with the Zionist organization and congress, but also in the fact that there is hardly a nook or corner of the Jewish world in which Zionistic societies are not to be found. Even where no such organizations exist expressions of approval and adhesion have come from bodies of Jews who have lived practically cut off from all connection with the course of Jewish life. Notable were communications, together with subscriptions for the fund, from a band of descendants of Portuguese Jews in Manecoré in Amazonas, Brazil (March 12, 1901), from Jews settled in Chile, and from the Jadid al-Islam in Khorasan (1901); while societies exist in Tshita (Siberia, on the Manchurian border), Tashkent, Bokhara, Rangoon (Burma), Nagasaki, Tokyo, Hongkong, Singapore, and among the American soldiers in the Philippines. The Shanghai Zionist Association was founded in 1903; the Dr. Herzl East Africa Zionist Association in Nairobi (East-African Protectorate) in 1904. In Australia there are four Zionist federations: New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, and West Australia. Queensland has its own federation with its center in Brisbane, and New Zealand has several societies. Even among the Russian Jews settled by the Jewish Colonization Association in Argentina, there is a federation comprising four societies. A Zionist congress was held there May 16, 1904, comprising delegates of 1,150 shekel-paying members. In every country of Europe, in the United States, along the North-African coast, and in Palestine similar societies are to be found. At the St. Louis Exposition, 1904, the Zionist flag (blue and white stripes, with a "Magen Dawid" in the center) floated from one of the buildings together with those of other nationalities.

The above progress is surprising if one reads only the polemics of contemporary Jewish anti-Zionists and takes them as representative of the feelings of "the Jews." The different ideological justifications for anti-Zionism, from religious leaders, racist cranks and Marxists, all had the same basis. The Jewish leadership, the classes who had traditionally appointed themselves to represent "the Jews," faced a revolt. Zionism represented the will of the Jewish people.

Contrary to the dark imaginings of anti-Zionists and anti-Semites, there did not exist any real "international Jewry" in the sense of an organized international Jewish community, prior to the rise of Zionism. There were no Elders of Zion, no protocols and no secret plan. However, on the positive side, contrary to the dogma of anti-Zionists, the informal community and commonality of Jews around the world was a self-evident fact of every day life, that could only be denied by ignoring the commonplaces of Jewish life. A Jew arriving in Paris from Minsk would seek out the Jewish community where he was welcome, and not the community of Russian expatriates. A Polish Jewish immigrant to the United States could expect to be received with condescension but with charity by the established Jews of that country, many of whom had come from Germany. He or she might expect to find employment in the Jewish-controlled garment industry of New York and other Jewish endeavors. Among Polish Christian immigrants to the United States, Polish Jews were certainly not welcome. Hebrew literature and poetry of the Diaspora, as well as the ancient holy books, were kept alive by Jewish culture in London and Berlin and Baghdad and Tehran. On the negative side, it was not necessary to wait for the rise of Nazism to understand that "Jewishness" could not be erased by modern garb or even conversion to Christianity. Jewish Marxists found they could not reconcile the professed internationalism of Marxism with the obvious anti-Semitism of many Jewish Marxists. In Germany, assimilation and integration were obvious failures. Nobody would seriously contend that Karl Marx or Felix Mendelssohn or Benjamin Disraeli were not viewed as "Jews," and the Jewish origin of many such newly minted Christians followed hem about for many generations.

The fact of Jewish nationalism and national identity asserted itself against doctrines that proved to be unrealistic or outmoded. One by one, each of the anti-Zionist movements and communities, among those who survived the persecutions of the twentieth century, fell into line with what Marxists would call "historical necessity." In part, the practical demonstration of Zionism that it was possible to gather the Jews in Israel, and to have Jewish workers and a Jewish army, dissipated the skepticism of earlier years. In part, the anti-Semitism of the USSR as well as the Holocaust provided horrible proof that "progress" would not necessarily wipe out anti-Semitism.

The transformation of the reform Jewish community, who were the quintessential anti-Zionists, into avid Zionists, is nearly complete by the beginning of the twenty first century. The Orthodox Jewish community likewise took up the Zionist flag. Many of the ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist groups, while never admitting that they are Zionists, came to be zealous supporters not only of Israel, but of aggressive Zionism. Marxist Jews early split off to form a Socialist Zionist movement. Later the Marxist Jewish Bund was formed because the fact of Jewish national identity was too strong to be denied. Plekhanov sneered, not without some truth, that Bundists were Zionists who were afraid of seasickness.

...}

Rigby,

You would have a case if you did not go to anti Israel/Jews conspiracy sites and authors.

So, try again.

 

[McRocket]

You have no problem with a state which according to you "steal land and treat it's former citizens (the Palestinians) like virtual excrement"? Really?

The so called Palestinians have been kicked out of every Muslim nation in the region...they strapped bombs to themselves just to kill Jews....The Palestinians were exiled because they were killing people.....The Palestinians are murdering hateful people....if they change for the better the situation they are in will follow....

And where is your unbiased link that factually proves that EVERY Palestinian is a 'murdering, hateful person' (as you claim)?

Where the poster used the words "EVERY Palestinian"? As you see, you even don't need to admit your lie..

You are really so ignorant I have to explain it to you?

Okaay.

He typed: 'The Palestinians are murdering hateful people'

That means ALL Palestinian people.

If he meant some, he should have said 'some Palestinians....' OR 'many Palestinians'.

Nope...he said 'The Palestinians'.

That means ALL OF THEM.

Class dismissed.


Have a nice day.

 

[Indeependent]

You have no problem with a state which according to you "steal land and treat it's former citizens (the Palestinians) like virtual excrement"? Really?

The so called Palestinians have been kicked out of every Muslim nation in the region...they strapped bombs to themselves just to kill Jews....The Palestinians were exiled because they were killing people.....The Palestinians are murdering hateful people....if they change for the better the situation they are in will follow....

And where is your unbiased link that factually proves that EVERY Palestinian is a 'murdering, hateful person' (as you claim)?

Where the poster used the words "EVERY Palestinian"? As you see, you even don't need to admit your lie..

You are really so ignorant I have to explain it to you?

Okaay.

He typed: 'The Palestinians are murdering hateful people'

That means ALL Palestinian people.

If he meant some, he should have said 'some Palestinians....' OR 'many Palestinians'.

Nope...he said 'The Palestinians'.

That means ALL OF THEM.

Class dismissed.


Have a nice day.

There are many good Palestinians who love Israel as it is.
They help the IDF prevent many terrorist attacks.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Unfortunately, most Americans have been so brain washed by the media that they think Israel is our de facto 51st state which we are obligated to defend and economically support, as though it was written into the Constitution. ...

Our fighter planes run on technology they developed. Whatcha gonna do?

3.8 billion to Israel is better than 5 billion to Palestine via the UN to print terrorist textbooks and teach kids how to be suicide bombers.

You have your numbers wrong.
First of all, it is Israel that gets more like $5 billion a year once you count all the loans they never expect to repay, etc.
And second is that Palestine only gets about $200 million a year, barely enough to provide clean water and waste removal.

If you don't want suicide bombers, then don't do things that deserve it.

''

Oh whoops, it was almost 1 billion in direct aid Obama's 1st year, then someone caught on..

U.S. Foreign Aid to the Palestinians (FY2012-2013)

How much aid does the US give Palestinians, and what’s it for?

 

[McRocket]

Unfortunately, most Americans have been so brain washed by the media that they think Israel is our de facto 51st state which we are obligated to defend and economically support, as though it was written into the Constitution. ...

Our fighter planes run on technology they developed. Whatcha gonna do?

3.8 billion to Israel is better than 5 billion to Palestine via the UN to print terrorist textbooks and teach kids how to be suicide bombers.

Okay...where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that ALL the technology (the stealthiness, the software, the engines, the avionics, etc.) that goes into F-16's, F/A-18's, F-15's, F-22's and F-35's was developed from Israel?