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    Isn't it fair to say that we should start pulling all of our military out of Iraq at the earliest convenience?

    We went, we saw, we lost a lot of young people.

    A new government has been installed and instilled.

    Saddam is dead.

    Nothing much else to be gained.

    Bring the boys and girls home.
     
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    They aren't boys and girls, they are men and women that volunteered to join our armed forces and most would rather be there than anywhere else. Unlike you and many of others like you they understand the importance of the job they are doing and are all heroes as far as I'm concerned. They get the big picture and are fully aware of what a mistake it would be to act like a Democrat and run away. Poll them, see what they want to do. Stop speaking for them, you don't have a clue.
     
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    911 was an inside job ,bush brought down the towers not bin laden
    your country has been taken over by NOW criminals .there needs to be real investigations ,indictments justice

    Steven E. Jones
    A Physics Professor Speaks Out on 9-11:
    Reason, Publicity, and Reaction
    by
    Victoria Ashley

    Version 1.0, Jan. 14, 2006

    revision history
    1/2/06: research publishes Version 0.9 of this essay
    1/14/06: research publishes Version 1.0 of this essay



    Introduction
    This paper reviews and compares some of the initial media coverage and criticisms of BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones' research paper, Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? In his paper, Jones calls for an investigation of the World Trade Center skyscrapers' collapses that seriously considers the hypothesis of controlled demolition. The decision of a professor of science to come forward with such a proposal is unprecedented, as is the story's coverage by a mainstream news program on cable TV: MSNBC's Situation with Tucker Carlson. The closest precedent in the history of the 9/11 Truth Movement was the CSPAN-2 coverage of theology professor David Ray Griffin's speech, 9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?. Both Jones and Griffin have added considerable credibility to the independent investigation of 9/11 through their scholarly approaches. In particular, Steven Jones brings to bear his 20 years of experience and peer-reviewed research in the field of physics.

    Interestingly, a number of well-funded and slick propaganda campaigns purporting to expose 9/11 truth have had little or no impact in mainstream venues (except to act as magnets for disparaging reviews). In contrast, Jones' simply crafted paper received a genuine and unbiased hearing from local media, and surprisingly respectful coverage on a mainstream cable program. Thus, Jones' efforts introduced credible challenges to the official story to large new audiences of critically thinking people.

    Jones' work contrasts with the propagandistic productions which rely on theatrical antics, hip sound tracks, and sleights of hand. The style of such productions is mirrored in their content -- a mixture of sensational claims (pods, missiles and aircraft other than commercial jets impacting the buildings) mixed with real unanswered questions. Such unsupported claims, while designed to excite naive viewers, are inevitably debunked with time, and thus serve to inoculate the public against taking 9/11 truth efforts seriously.

    The thesis of controlled demolition -- the focus of Jones' paper -- is a key component in exposing the truth of the 9/11 attacks since, unlike most of the other aspects of 9/11, one cannot suggest that a building demolition was a mistake or a surprise: someone had to have intentionally planned and executed it, by definition. Accepting the demolition thesis leads inescapably to the conclusion that the 9/11 events were orchestrated by people who had the access and means to rig the buildings -- i.e.: insiders. In this first paper by Jones, he does not claim to know who could have rigged the buildings, but limits his focus to the collapse events, end products, and critique of the official analyses.

    In this paper I will review coverage by both mainstream print/TV news and Internet news sites. I will also examine some recent propagandistic productions in relation to Jones' work
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    Tell that to their parents. There are 19 year olds dying in Iraq - these are people we don't even trust to responsibly consume alcohol, and they are dying in iraq.
    Prove it.
    Poll them? Since you seem to know so much about what they think on these issues, I was assuming such polls had already been completed.


    1 out of the 3 iraq vets I know are against the war, one of them I'm not really sure what he thinks, and another one died in combat so I guess we'll never know.

    Other than Iraq and Afghan vets, every single veteran that I know personally is against it.
     
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    This was done ad nauseum for years. What is the point now?
     
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    To use your words sir, PROVE IT.
     
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    not possible
     
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    Please, more garbage from a media whore that obviously knows nothing about the architecture of those buildings. The way they collapsed makes perfect sense. You might try to find the Nova special called "Why Buildings Fall" if you are actually interested in learning something about truth.
     
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    Frat and sorority dorks who have nothing better to do than get drunk are kids, they aren't concerned about anything but themselves. When young people decide that there is something more important than themselves they become men and women, those are the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Their parents have nothing to say about it, they should be proud to know that their kids have grown up and made a decision that makes them a better person.
     
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    afraid not pal the nova documentary only makes it more apparent it was a controled demo none of the buildings they show that fell due to fires looked anything like a controled implsion with the building falling into its own foot print .not even close and no molten metal either ther are only 3 buildings in history to collapse due to fire alone the towers and wct 7
    WhyDoubt 9/11? ( Russian translation )

    The destruction of the South Tower (video)

    ExpertsClaim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax

    "9/11Mysteries - Demolitions" (google video)

    9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

    Bush Admin Insider Says U.S. Government Behind 9/11

    C-SPAN BOOK-TV: "9/11 and American Empire"
    24-25 November 2006 broadcasts (google video)

    NetherlandsTV 9/11 Coverage
    1 September 2006, Twee Vandaag

    The Era of9/11 Denial Is Over

    David Ray Griffin in Washington, D.C. (video)

    Third Tower Collapse
     
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