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Let us get this budget surplus and deficit stuff straight once and for all
- Thread starter JRK
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8537
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In fact the present situation is entirely the fault of Obama and the Democrats in Congress, who ran up the national debt beyond all proportions.
Knowing the cause is the first step to a cure. That step must be the repudiation of the left wing of the Democratic party at the polls and hte emergence of fiscally responsible Democrats. That and defeating every Democrat standing for election.
The Bush White House was predicting on-budget deficits of 602 and 611B for 2009 and 2010. Then that same White House added 350B for TARP. Then revenues collapsed by 400B.
Without a single Obama policy, the Bush White House would have been staring at a 1.3T on-budget deficit in 2009 - by its own calculations.
I thought Obama was elected to end the failed policies of George W Bush?
Blaming Bush is fucking gay, s0n.
"Fucking gay, son"? You're a real peach - and a peach who apparently can't read.
I didn't blame Bush. I pointed to HIS numbers to explain where the deficit came from.
Wow, what a rationalization. So no one is responsible because "shit happens." What a desperate move.
In fact the present situation is entirely the fault of Obama and the Democrats in Congress, who ran up the national debt beyond all proportions.
Knowing the cause is the first step to a cure. That step must be the repudiation of the left wing of the Democratic party at the polls and hte emergence of fiscally responsible Democrats. That and defeating every Democrat standing for election.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
Who said anything about McCain?
and would it be the same right now?
not even close, I do not know if it would be much better, but the debt would not be out of control
McCain would have had to deal with a Democratic Congress.
McCain would not have signed Obamacare. McCain would not have installed his own CEO at GM. McCain would not have proposed boneheaded programs like cash for clunkers. Etc etc.
McCain was no prize. But he isn't Obama. More deflection from the Left.
Full-Auto
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No, idiot.
The 2001 recession had MORE job loss that the 2008 one.
Holy shit man, we have entered upside-down world. In what universe did the 2001 recession have MORE job loss than the one that started in December of 2007?
The Cause of High Unemployment: Still Due to Dwindling Job Creation
Cue "right wing bias" deflection, coming in 3...2....
The Bush White House was predicting on-budget deficits of 602 and 611B for 2009 and 2010. Then that same White House added 350B for TARP. Then revenues collapsed by 400B.
Without a single Obama policy, the Bush White House would have been staring at a 1.3T on-budget deficit in 2009 - by its own calculations.
I thought Obama was elected to end the failed policies of George W Bush?
Blaming Bush is fucking gay, s0n.
"Fucking gay, son"? You're a real peach - and a peach who apparently can't read.
I didn't blame Bush. I pointed to HIS numbers to explain where the deficit came from.
You're blaming Bush. The deficit did not come from Bush. It came from Obama and his stupid programs that both spent money and depressed the economy.
The US did not have a downgrade in credit under Bush. It did under Obama.
Not real hard to understand.
8537
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You're blaming Bush. The deficit did not come from Bush.
I did not blame Bush - I quoted his own budget numbers and his own programs. How is quoting Bush' own numbers "blaming Bush"?
But hey, you should get back to using racist and homophobic slurs.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
No, idiot.
The 2001 recession had MORE job loss that the 2008 one. What kept it from becoming bad were Bush's policies, which continued to encourage job creation.
Obama's recession is worse precisely because of Obama's policies.
This thread is doomed because the leftys will never admit the truth.
Proof?
Look at the posts from the Left. Even though the OP is spot on they cannot accept the truth.
No. Proof that more jobs were lost in 2001 than 2008 recessions.
8537
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It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
It would have been the same with McCain, dummy.
Who said anything about McCain?
and would it be the same right now?
not even close, I do not know if it would be much better, but the debt would not be out of control
McCain would have had to deal with a Democratic Congress.
Indeed! and the Democratic congress would have supported the same TARP program he supported, would have faced the same 400B revenue collapse that he faced, and would have been working from the same projected 611B on-budget deficit that he faced.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
I thought Obama was elected to end the failed policies of George W Bush?
Blaming Bush is fucking gay, s0n.
"Fucking gay, son"? You're a real peach - and a peach who apparently can't read.
I didn't blame Bush. I pointed to HIS numbers to explain where the deficit came from.
You're blaming Bush. The deficit did not come from Bush.
Most of it did. Most of it came from Bush policies.
The 2009 deficit would have been a trillion dollars if Obama had done NOTHING.
Q
Proof?
Look at the posts from the Left. Even though the OP is spot on they cannot accept the truth.
Thats not.proof stupid. Trying providing a link fucktard.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...eficit-stuff-straight-once-and-for-all-2.html
Who said anything about McCain?
and would it be the same right now?
not even close, I do not know if it would be much better, but the debt would not be out of control
McCain would have had to deal with a Democratic Congress.
Indeed! and the Democratic congress would have supported the same TARP program he supported, would have faced the same 400B revenue collapse that he faced, and would have been working from the same projected 611B on-budget deficit that he faced.
But McCain would not have snapped at BP, "Just plug the damn hole." He would not have excoriated "millionaires and billionaires" and corporate jets. He would not have unleashed the EPA to create mountains of job killing regs. He would not have signed Dodd-Frank and its job and economy killing provisions.
He would have presided over a modest recovery with unemployment today probably around 6%, listening to the left wing media complain about how he wasn't helping the working poor.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
Look at the posts from the Left. Even though the OP is spot on they cannot accept the truth.
Thats not.proof stupid. Trying providing a link fucktard.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...eficit-stuff-straight-once-and-for-all-2.html
I want proof that we lost more jobs in the 2001 recession than we did in the 2008 recession.
That was your claim. Now prove it.
Thats not.proof stupid. Trying providing a link fucktard.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...eficit-stuff-straight-once-and-for-all-2.html
I want proof that we lost more jobs in the 2001 recession than we did in the 2008 recession.
That was your claim. Now prove it.
I posted the link, shithead. Go have someone read it to you.
8537
VIP Member
Proof?
Look at the posts from the Left. Even though the OP is spot on they cannot accept the truth.
No. Proof that more jobs were lost in 2001 than 2008 recessions.
He's completely full of shit. Even giving a huge benefit of the doubt and only using 2008 recession job losses for the time in which Bush was in office:
2008 recession, Dec 2007 - Jan 2009: 4.8 Million jobs lost
2001 recession, March of 2001 - May 0f 2002): 2.2 Million jobs lost.
You don't actually expect him to tell the truth, do ya?
8537
VIP Member
McCain would have had to deal with a Democratic Congress.
Indeed! and the Democratic congress would have supported the same TARP program he supported, would have faced the same 400B revenue collapse that he faced, and would have been working from the same projected 611B on-budget deficit that he faced.
But McCain would not have snapped at BP, "Just plug the damn hole."
what would he have told BP, and how much would those words have impacted the budget deficit?
Look at the posts from the Left. Even though the OP is spot on they cannot accept the truth.
No. Proof that more jobs were lost in 2001 than 2008 recessions.
He's completely full of shit. Even giving a huge benefit of the doubt and only using 2008 recession job losses for the time in which Bush was in office:
2008 recession, Dec 2007 - Jan 2009: 4.8 Million jobs lost
2001 recession, March of 2001 - May 0f 2002): 2.2 Million jobs lost.
You don't actually expect him to tell the truth, do ya?
Source? Links? Facts? ANyone? Bueller.. Bueller.
Pretty much says it all. Assuming you know how to read a graph.
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Indeed! and the Democratic congress would have supported the same TARP program he supported, would have faced the same 400B revenue collapse that he faced, and would have been working from the same projected 611B on-budget deficit that he faced.
But McCain would not have snapped at BP, "Just plug the damn hole."
what would he have told BP, and how much would those words have impacted the budget deficit?
Tell us how we can help.
It would have created an environment where businesses didnt feel like they were under attack every week. Increased business confidence would result in more hiring and more investment.
Quit cherry picking.
8537
VIP Member
No. Proof that more jobs were lost in 2001 than 2008 recessions.
He's completely full of shit. Even giving a huge benefit of the doubt and only using 2008 recession job losses for the time in which Bush was in office:
2008 recession, Dec 2007 - Jan 2009: 4.8 Million jobs lost
2001 recession, March of 2001 - May 0f 2002): 2.2 Million jobs lost.
You don't actually expect him to tell the truth, do ya?
Source? Links? Facts? ANyone? Bueller.. Bueller.
The BLS is a free site - you know that, right? They even let you search! data.bls.gov
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2000 249 121 472 286 225 -46 163 3 122 -11 231 138
2001 -16 61 -30 -281 -44 -128 -125 -160 -244 -325 -292 -178
2002 -132 -147 -24 -85 -7 45 -97 -16 -55 126 8 -156
2003 83 -158 -212 -49 -6 -2 25 -42 103 203 18 124
2004 150 43 338 250 310 81 47 121 160 351 64 132
2005 136 240 142 360 169 246 369 195 63 84 334 158
2006 281 317 287 182 11 80 202 185 156 -8 205 180
2007 203 88 218 79 141 67 -49 -26 69 91 127 84
2008 13 -83 -72 -185 -233 -178 -231 -267 -434 -509 -802 -619
2009 -820 -726 -796 -660 -386 -502 -300 -231 -236 -221 -55 -130
2010 -39 -35 192 277 458 -192 -49 -59 -29 171 93 152
8537
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I'm sure The Racist will be along any minute now to apologize for lying.
I'm sure The Racist will be along any minute now to apologize for lying.
You're admitting you're a racist? Finally.
As for whatever mess you posted, what is that supposed to prove?
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