Let the States Decide- ALA Supreme Court Justice urges Defiance- Gay Marraige

[theDoctorisIn]

I wonder if the National Guard will be called in to escort gay couples to the altar?

 

[konradv]

I wonder if the National Guard will be called in to escort gay couples to the altar?

Will the governor stand in the doorway?

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

Do little boys in orphanages have any say on these issues?

 

[Skylar]

...Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution....."I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama." Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

...annnnnddd FINALLY a state official grows a pair, standing up to sedition and lower courts attempting to defy/overrule Windsor's 56 reiterations that the decision on so-called "gay marriage" belongs in the states until further notice... Lifestyle-Marriage Equality Slugout State Authority vs Federal US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You seem a little confused. What he's saying is that the States have the authority to ignore the USSC itself if the court finds that gay marriage bans violate constitutional guarantees.

So where does the WIndsor ruling say that the State have the authority to ignore the Supreme Court on issues of constitutional guarantees? I remember something about constitutional guarantees in the Windsor ruling. What was it again.......ah yes!

Subject to certain constitutional guarantees, see, e.g., Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, “regulation of domestic relations” is “an area that has long been regarded as a virtually exclusive province of the States,” Sosna v. Iowa, 419 U. S. 393.

Windsor v. US

Yeah, that's pretty much the exact opposite of what the Alabama judge is saying.

 

[Skylar]

I wonder if the National Guard will be called in to escort gay couples to the altar?

Will the governor stand in the doorway?

I wonder if the Alabama Court of the Judiciary will remove Moore from office again like they did the last time he defined an order of the Federal Judiciary.

I'd say the odds are quite good.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

...Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution....."I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama." Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

...annnnnddd FINALLY a state official grows a pair, standing up to sedition and lower courts attempting to defy/overrule Windsor's 56 reiterations that the decision on so-called "gay marriage" belongs in the states until further notice... Lifestyle-Marriage Equality Slugout State Authority vs Federal US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

You seem a little confused. What he's saying is that the States have the authority to ignore the USSC itself if the court finds that gay marriage bans violate constitutional guarantees.

So where does the WIndsor ruling say that the State have the authority to ignore the Supreme Court on issues of constitutional guarantees? I remember something about constitutional guarantees in the Windsor ruling. What was it again.......ah yes!

Subject to certain constitutional guarantees, see, e.g., Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, “regulation of domestic relations” is “an area that has long been regarded as a virtually exclusive province of the States,” Sosna v. Iowa, 419 U. S. 393.

Windsor v. US

Yeah, that's pretty much the exact opposite of what the Alabama judge is saying.

Roy is a moron, from a moronic state. Just another theocratic Nazi.

 

[occupied]

I wonder if the National Guard will be called in to escort gay couples to the altar?

Will the governor stand in the doorway?

Maybe not but by the time the first marriage takes place someone is going to embarrass the entire state with some sort of shenanigans. I see church groups picketing courthouses and harassing any two people of the same sex when they walk in even if they are there for a non-sinful purpose.

 

[Skylar]

From the OP link:

"Ronald Krotoszynski, a constitutional law expert at the University of Alabama School of Law, said Moore's words carry little legal weight, as federal constitutional law trumps that of states.
"There is no credible legal argument that an order from a federal judge with jurisdiction over a matter isn't binding

The only federal judge Alabama should listen to on the question of so-called "gay marriage" is the highest ranking judge in the federal appelate system.

More accurately, the federal judge that Alabama should listen to on this question is the highest ranking judge in the federal appelant system to rule on the issue. Which at the moment is Federal Judge Granade, who yesterday overturned such bans as violating the constitutional guarantees of individual citizens.

That would be SCOTUS. And SCOTUS said in Windsor 2013, 56 times in 26 pages no less, that the question of gay marraige, until further notice (which can only be given by THEM) is up to the states to decide.

Actually, the Windsor court said no such thing. They said that in a contest of State marriage law vs. Federal marriage law, the State marriage laws are supreme. As noted earlier, the federal court ruling against gay marriage bans were on the basis that such bans violate the constitutional guarantees of citizens. And Windsor took a very specific position on constitutional guarantees:

Subject to certain constitutional guarantees, see, e.g., Loving v. Virginia, 388 U. S. 1, “regulation of domestic relations” is “an area that has long been regarded as a virtually exclusive province of the States,” Sosna v. Iowa, 419 U. S. 393.

Windsor V. US

Its the 'constitutional guarantees' part where your argument breaks. As the Windsor court explicitly stated that the State marriage laws were subject to them. Thus, any ruling that finds that such guarantees are violated can't conflict with the Windsor ruling. As the Windsor ruling doesn't even mention gay marriage bans. Let alone find they were constitutional.

All of which you know. But really hope we don't.

 

[Skylar]

I wonder if the National Guard will be called in to escort gay couples to the altar?

It seems likely. And if a gay couple getting married is assaulted or even killed.....its just as likely that some gay marriage opponents are going to blame the victims for 'provoking' the attack by getting married.

A lot of gay marriage opponents are straight up thugs that just really want to hurt people. Not all. Silo for example wouldn't. But Keys and St. Mikey? Definitely.

 

[Geaux4it]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

It's not subject to a vote Jesusfreak Roy, and never should have been.

I disagree. Let the voters decide within the state

-Geaux

 

[Claudette]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

 

[Geaux4it]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

When the federal government 'leaves the reservation' so to speak, the states must control their own destiny. Other areas of concern for states are illegal immigration and ACA exchanges. The federal government does not have a states best interest at heart

-Geaux

 

[Seawytch]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

So when CA decides they want to ban handguns and automatic rifles, you'd be just fine with that right?

 

[occupied]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

When the federal government 'leaves the reservation' so to speak, the states must control their own destiny. Other areas of concern for states are illegal immigration and ACA exchanges. The federal government does not have a states best interest at heart

-Geaux

Sometimes a bigoted state run by bigots purposely does not have equal protection under the law and must be corrected because they will never do it on their own.

 

[Claudette]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

So when CA decides they want to ban handguns and automatic rifles, you'd be just fine with that right?

Why not.

No on has to live in CA. If they don't like the laws they can always move or vote those out that make the laws.

The same goes for all States. If you don't like the laws then vote those making them out of office.

 

[Seawytch]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

So when CA decides they want to ban handguns and automatic rifles, you'd be just fine with that right?

Why not.

No on has to live in CA. If they don't like the laws they can always move or vote those out that make the laws.

The same goes for all States. If you don't like the laws then vote those making them out of office.

Well it's a dandy idea...and is not our current system of government. What I described is unconstitutional...just like bans on gays marrying the partner of their choice.

I guess if you don't like the laws of our country, like the Constitution that says you can't violate my right to equal protection, you can move to a different one.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I truly wonder, exactly how long will it be before people here can deal with the fact that this nation is not a democracy? The mob does not rule here. How much more clearly can we state this for you before you attempt to understand you don't get a vote, and you weren't supposed to?

 

[Geaux4it]

It should be a state issue mandated by public voting

-Geaux
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Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling
BY JONATHAN KAMINSKY

Tue Jan 27, 2015 6:54pm EST


n">(Reuters) - In a move viewed skeptically by legal experts, the socially conservative chief justice of Alabama's Supreme Court on Tuesday encouraged judges in his state to ignore a federal ruling last week striking down its ban on gay marriage.

Justice Roy Moore, in a letter addressed to Alabama Governor Robert Bentley, said Friday's federal ruling, which was put on hold for two weeks and could be superseded by a U.S. Supreme Court decision on gay marriage due by the end of June, violates the state constitution.

"I am dismayed by those judges in our state who have stated they will recognize and unilaterally enforce a federal court decision which does not bind them," Moore wrote. "I would advise them that the issuance of such licenses would be in defiance of the laws and constitution of Alabama."

Alabama Supreme Court chief justice encourages defiance on gay marriage ruling Reuters

I agree. Let the States decide what they want done in their State and whats considered legal.

So when CA decides they want to ban handguns and automatic rifles, you'd be just fine with that right?

They already are. But I'll give you a pass since I think you meant all guns and rifles

-Geaux

 

[konradv]

No on has to live in CA. If they don't like the laws they can always move or vote those out that make the laws. The same goes for all States. If you don't like the laws then vote those making them out of office.

Then why even have a Constitution, if no one has to follow it?

 

[zeke]

Conservatives have always tried to put the rights of Americans up for a "popular" vote and have been told continually that it flies in the face of the constitution and yet they still try to do it. Also, Alabama, my birth state, is an eternal embarrassment to democracy and human decency.

Yea, but I really like Gulf Shores. And while I was there last year, I met a family from Mississippi. They made the people I met from Alabama sound like Rhodes scholars. Isn't Mississippi where Alabama sends their really dumb people?

Then we have a Big 10 team beating the mighty SEC power of.....Alabama.

The world is a changing.