Lest we forget...

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    Since Rep. Mark Foley's (R-FL) hit the media on Friday, most everything eles has disappeared from the political radar scope. And one thing should not be forgotten...the Military Commissions Bill, S3930, passed by the Senate on September 28th.

    The so called "rebellion" led by Senators John McCain, John Warner, and Lindsay Graham was a sham. It was nothing more than a piece of politcal kabuki designed to give this odious piece of legislation a whiff of legitimacy.

    Let's review just what this piece of legislation does..

    It re-establishes President Bush's military tribunals, which were rejected by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional.

    It shields from prosecution those individuals who violated both US and international law throught their use of interrogation techniques held to be torture before December 30, 2005.

    It prevents any person harmed by the U.S., in violation of the Geneva Conventions, from filing a claim in U.S. court.

    It strips legal residents of the U.S. of their right to challenge their detention in court if they're accused of being “enemy combatants”.

    It abolishes the right of Guantanamo detainees to challenge their detention, which in effect pre-judges all of them as guilty.

    It approves the “CIA program” that allows waterboarding and other forms of torture.

    It gives the president the power to name any individual, including citizens, as an “unlawful enemy combatant” if they provide “material support". Just what constitutes such support remains undefined.

    Given the overly broad definitions of "enemy combatant" that the Administration clings to, anyone who opposes the administration could, at some point, be deemed an "enemy combatant". It must also be noted that this bill effectively undercuts the right of <i>habeas corpus</i> not only for the GITMO detainees, but also for US citizens how might be caught up in its overly broad net. More than 900 years of legal precedent thrown on the trash heap in the pursuit of power. ANd with <i>habeas corpus</i> not just suspeneded, but done away with entirely, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights aren't worth the match it would take to burn them.

    Once Chimpy signs this misbegotten, un-Constitutional and un-American piece of legislation into law, and he will, the executive branch will have unprecedented powers which it may exercise with no oversight from Congress. An history has shown us, repeatedly, that once governments gain such power, they waste no time in abusing it it. Given this Administration's well documented track record of abuses of power and its utter disdain for the rule of law, it will waste no time in abusing these powers.

    <blockquote>"I would rather be exposed to the inconvenience attending too much Liberty than those attending too small degree of it." -Thomas Jefferson

    "The Habeas Corpus secures every man here, alien or citizen, against everything which is not law, whatever shape it may assume." –Thomas Jefferson to A. H. Rowan, 1798. ME 10:61

    “Of one thing we may be sure. The future will never have to ask, with misgiving, what could the Nazis have said in their favor. History will know that whatever could be said, they were allowed to say. They have been given the kind of a trial, which they, in the days of their pomp and power, never gave to any man.

    But fairness is not weakness. The extraordinary fairness of these hearings is an attribute of our strength.” -Nuremburg lawyer Robert Jackson </blockquote>
     
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    What? No comment? Getting tired of defending the indefensible? That's understandable. Chimpy and Co have pretty much gone beyond the pale here.
     
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    Not tired of defending anything...just tired of listening to the same old rhetoric, vitrol and Bush bashing...in other words, we are all done playing with the troll for the moment. Time to get back to doing something productive that ensures the security and prosperity of this country...have to stay ahead of those like you who want to destroy it!
     
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    More like getting tired of your incessant whining and bitching in numerous threads on the same, damned topics. You continue to erode your own relevance by posting multiple threads (with non-descript titles) and covering the same "topics" which always seem to boil down to calling POTUS names.
     
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    Not tired of anything. I just dont see the point of defending the common sense strengths of defining the extent of Presidential power in detaining and interrogating people who are trying to kill us when its only people who keep themselves willfully ignorant of the truth and a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and international law.
     
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    god damn folly and the liberal press........this should have gotten some air time...................this is great news!:beer:
     
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    I seem to have been correct in my observation.
     
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    I thought the Supreme Court asked congress to make a law about it. So they did.

    Good. The American people have spoken, we don't want our own people who are on the front lines of this war against terrorists to be persecuted for doing whatever it takes to get all the information out of scumbag terrorists. I'm sure this practice of democracy just makes you sick Bully.

    Good. The American people have spoken, we don't want scumbag terrorists suing our country and getting our tax dollars. Somehow I'm not surprised a flamming liberal like yourself is upset about this.

    Good. The American people have spoken, we will treat anyone who betrays our country and joins the enemy we are fighting as our enemy. Boohoo.


    Good. The American people have spoken, Detainees at Gitmo are not citizens and don't have any rights except what we give them. And by the why, war is about pre-judging a group of people as guilty. Only assinine liberals think of our war against Islamic fanatics as a police action....they're not terrorists they're "suspects", and of course they're not guilty until proven guilty in a court of liberal law.


    Good. The American people have spoken, we want our men and women on the front lines of this war to do whatever is necessary to make life miserable for scumbag terrorists. Only an anti-american lib would side with terrorist over the CIA.

    Good. The American people have spoken, we want our commander-n-chief to actually have the power of one. I'm sure that just crawls under your skin Bully.

    You are so fucking delusional Bully. Yea...Bush is going to start naming DEMS as "enemy combatants"! Get a grip Bully.

    Once again you seem to forget, detainees are NOT american citizens and are not afforded ANY rights of a US citizens. This is NOT a police action whereby "suspects" will be given rights and a trial. It is WAR, all have been pre-judged guilty already, thats what WAR is!


    Here you go again Bully, everything is about the President. He is a dictator, blah blah blah.
    When are you going to accept that you don't hate the President, you hate the AMERICAN people that overwhelmingly supported this great bill. Yes, the people of this country have spoken and we passed this bill through the HOUSE, and SENATE, yet you are still obsessed with blamming it all on Bush. You are a rabid Bush-hating liberal that has been blinded to the truth that the democratic process has been used. You are in the minority, yet you believe your beliefs on this subject should be imposed on the rest of the country. I have no doubts that deep down, now more than ever, you despise freedom and democracy. You want a few elite people to run this country, not its citizens.
     
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    Self delussional too...I suppose that is one of the many facets of a liberal.
     
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    Today, George W. Bush, a.k.a. <i><b>Chimpy McPresident</b></i>, signed the Military Commissions Act...<b>20 DAYS</b> after it was passed by Congress, and <b>18 DAYS</b> after Congress was adjourned.

    Why the emphasis on the timeline here? It's a matter of how the Constitution provides for the handling of bills once they are passed by Congress and sent to the President's desk.

    Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, states:

    <blockquote>If any Bill shall not be returned by the President <b>within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless <i>the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.</i></b></blockquote>

    Only two days passed between the passage of the Bill for signing and the adjournment of Congress. Eighteen days passed between the time Congress adjourned and Bush's signing of the Bill. Under the provisions outlined in Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution, this Bill was effectively vetoed, and cannot become law. Whether this was a deliberate calculation on the part of the Administration, or just another screw-up is moot. The law was null and void before Bush ever signed it.

    Had this bill actually become law, it has the additional difficulty as outlined in Article 1, Section 9, Para 2:

    <blockquote>The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.</blockquote>

    To my knowledge, no rebellion or invasion has been demonstrated as grounds for suspending <i>habeas corpus</i>, which is the foundation for many other rights outlined in the Bill of Rights. Congress passed a bill which was unconstitutional from its inception, and exceeded its authority in this matter.

    No matter how you slice it or dice it, this Bill is dead, and Bush, again, exceeded his authority by signing it into law today. If it is allowed to stand, despite these grossly unconstitutional provisions and circumstances regarding its signing, we can safely put the republic to rest, for it will be well and truly dead.
     

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