Lesbian Couples Sues Government For Inability To Foster Refugee Child

[Seymour Flops]

What childish insults? I called you out on the fact that you keep regurgitating extremist, provocative and alarmist talking points with no regard for the truth. The transgender hysteria is being driven by fear and ignorance and you are contributing to that. Your type of rhetoric is what pushed politicians to enact strict bans on all gender affirming care. Then kids suffer and die

How do they “suffer and die?” I already showed you that there is no evidence of increased suicide when children who supposedly want it are ”denied” transgender surgery.

To answer your question, in general, politicians should have no say in medical or mental health issues. Matters pertaining to gender, should be treated like any other issue with care being based on recognized best practices. Currently, every major medical and mental health organization recognizes the importance of gender affirming care .

If that includes surgery and hormones, then it’s a good example of not letting the profiteers be the arbiters of right and wrong in the field in which the profit.

Having said that, I could support restrictions on irreversible gender reassignment in pre pubescent children, although there should be some exceptions such as in the case of intersexed children where there is a clear medical issue. While children are aware of their gender identity at an early age, there is usually no need to rush to correct a physical anomality. Mistakes can be made

Here you admit more than most progressives will, so I salute you for that.

It turns out though, that all hormonal gender affirming care is irreversible. You can stop the hormones when you realize the horrible mistake, but you cannot give the child back the years of normal development they lost to a “medical treatment” specifically intended to stop normal development. So, yes. Ban all “gender affirming care” that cannot be taken off, as can a dress or makeup.

Lastly, if there is going to be any government involvement at all it should be through the regulatory process with standards and practices being set by career scientists, not elected officials driven by politics

Weeeell, unfortunately for you, we have a democratic republic, not some system where our lives are run by self appointed “experts.”

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

How do they “suffer and die?” I already showed you that there is no evidence of increased suicide when children who supposedly want it are ”denied” transgender surgery.

I do not recall you showing any such thing I, however have shown that they suffer from depression which is linked to suicide, when denied proper care. See post 195 Please do your homework

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If that includes surgery and hormones, then it’s a good example of not letting the profiteers be the arbiters of right and wrong in the field in which the profit.

Good grief Seymour!!! That is really a stretch. I smell the desperation. Doctors who treat trans kids are profiteering ?? A doctors who treat kids for other issues also profiteering in your view? I don’t think so. You still just continuing to feed the anti trans hysteria with that crap

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

It turns out though, that all hormonal gender affirming care is irreversible. You can stop the hormones when you realize the horrible mistake, but you cannot give the child back the years of normal development they lost to a “medical treatment” specifically intended to stop normal development. So, yes. Ban all “gender affirming care” that cannot be taken off, as can a dress or makeup.

That is an overly broad generalization. Yes harm can be done if not administered correctly. It all depends on the timing with respect to starting and stopping in relation to age. You continue to ignore the evidence that denying all such care is harmful. Generally hormone therapy can be reversed Death cannot be. I don’t think that you are stupid. I think that on some level you understand the complexity of the issue. I must then conclude that you are either knowingly lying in order to support your agenda, or you are brainwashed

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Here you admit more than most progressives will, so I salute you f

You just have not been paying attention to what progressives have been saying. Most believe in going slowly and carefully

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

How do they “suffer and die?” I already showed you that there is no evidence of increased suicide when children who supposedly want it are ”denied” transgender surgery.

If that includes surgery and hormones, then it’s a good example of not letting the profiteers be the arbiters of right and wrong in the field in which the profit.

Here you admit more than most progressives will, so I salute you for that.

It turns out though, that all hormonal gender affirming care is irreversible. You can stop the hormones when you realize the horrible mistake, but you cannot give the child back the years of normal development they lost to a “medical treatment” specifically intended to stop normal development. So, yes. Ban all “gender affirming care” that cannot be taken off, as can a dress or makeup.

Weeeell, unfortunately for you, we have a democratic republic, not some system where our lives are run by self appointed “experts.”

We had a constitutional democracy before the MAGA morons dominated Washington and many state houses. There was a time when laws were passed with the well being of people in mind Now it is all politics. Those experts in those administrative agencies that you deride are career scientists –mostly Civil Service who had to qualify for those jobs. The politicians are the selfe appointed experts who don’t know jack shit

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Here you admit more than most progressives will, so I salute you for that.

Contrary to what you think that most progressives believe, we do not support the type of scenario that is promoted by the hysterical anti trans right that goes something like: Little 7 years old Jimmy tells his teacher that he thinks he is a girl. Teach says “don’t worry we can help. We know a doctor who will wack off your balls and dick . How about next Tuesday? We don’t even have to tell your parents” Anyone who buys that is terribly gullible or just plain stupid

 

[Seymour Flops]

Good grief Seymour!!! That is really a stretch. I smell the desperation. Doctors who treat trans kids are profiteering ?? A doctors who treat kids for other issues also profiteering in your view? I don’t think so. You still just continuing to feed the anti trans hysteria with that crap

Yes, when they are doing things to kids that is patently unhealthy for them, and pressuring parents by making the false claim that there is evidence of increase in suicide for children who are denied gender-affirming surgery, they are profiteers.

Funny how progressive think that anyone who makes money must be in herently evil - except those who make money by taking a scapal to children's sex organs.

That is an overly broad generalization. Yes harm can be done if not administered correctly. It all depends on the timing with respect to starting and stopping in relation to age. You continue to ignore the evidence that denying all such care is harmful. Generally hormone therapy can be reversed Death cannot be. I don’t think that you are stupid. I think that on some level you understand the complexity of the issue. I must then conclude that you are either knowingly lying in order to support your agenda, or you are brainwashed

The harm of a stymied puberty happens when the hormones are administered exactly "correctly," according to the guidelines of the child transgenderization industry. Hormone therapy cannot be reversed. If a child spends two years on puberty blockers, they can take them off when they realize their error, but they can't give the child the two years of development back.

Again, you have not shown any evidence of "death" for not giving puberty blockers, so that is a red herring.

 

[Seymour Flops]

We had a constitutional democracy before the MAGA morons dominated Washington and many state houses. There was a time when laws were passed with the well being of people in mind Now it is all politics. Those experts in those administrative agencies that you deride are career scientists –mostly Civil Service who had to qualify for those jobs. The politicians are the selfe appointed experts who don’t know jack shit

Democrats are in charge of both the Senate and the White House, so cry your tears to them.

Contrary to what you think that most progressives believe, we do not support the type of scenario that is promoted by the hysterical anti trans right that goes something like: Little 7 years old Jimmy tells his teacher that he thinks he is a girl. Teach says “don’t worry we can help. We know a doctor who will wack off your balls and dick . How about next Tuesday? We don’t even have to tell your parents” Anyone who buys that is terribly gullible or just plain stupid

You may not support it, but you are going along with it, and refusing to acknowledge that it happens.

There are reports of parents being pressured by schools (with threats of reports for "medical neglect") to take their kids to a "gender specialist." Once there, the puberty blockers are nearly always prescribed with parents being chastised and threatened (with their own child's death), if they do not comply.

Here's some reading for you, if you care to learn:


Cases like this are very common:

Early last year, our 13-year-old daughter M shared that she was a lesbian, and we welcomed the news. Soon after, M announced being non-binary, then transgender, which came as a bit of a shock, as M had never expressed any kind of gender struggles. Accepting this as truth, being generally LGBT+-supportive, my husband and I allowed M to get a very short haircut, buy masculine clothes and a binder, go by the more gender-neutral middle name, and — of seemingly utmost importance — change pronouns to “he/him.” We took M to two different therapists, both of whom were immediately affirming — one of them after only an hour of talking to our child.

It’s important to understand that M has Asperger’s syndrome (now recognized as high-functioning autism), and has suffered debilitating panic attacks since age 5. After the first therapist met with our child, she reported that we had a “happy, healthy boy.”

Around the same time, I became very dizzy, to the point that I could no longer walk the dog. I saw a doctor, trying to determine the cause. After a slew of tests, I realized the dizziness was due to stress and maternal instinct telling me that something was completely off-kilter. I began questioning whether or not M was truly transgender, even though teachers, doctors, therapists, family and friends were all very quickly and gleefully affirming. No one else questioned it but me and my husband.
I began doing research into the exponential number of kids saying they’re transgender (some studies say the incidence has risen 4000% in the past 10 years), and seeking psychology experts who were asking the same questions. I’ve found a lot of articulate, intelligent information, including a support group for other parents of ROGD (rapid onset gender dysphoric) teens. When I first found all of this information, I was quite suspicious of anything being conspiracy-driven or politically motivated, but found the opposite to be true. Many of these parents seem a lot like me…upper-middle class, well-educated, and progressive…and above all, genuinely concerned about their kids.
As a special educator, this kind of quackery burns my butt. To think that students with autism, who we are finally learning how to correctly approach, would have their parents taken in by such outright fraud is appalling. The fact that virtue signaling to the LBGT-W communit is more important to you than these kids' well-being speaks volumes about your character.

Kids - being kids - are often confused about their identity. It's a part of growing up, if the greedy are not lining up with the hypodermics and the knives.

My daughter declared that she was transgender just before her 13th birthday.

Being her mother, I knew that she was struggling through puberty and was uncomfortable with the over-sexualization of our culture. I was horrified to learn that the therapists were telling my daughter that she was a boy, on the very first visit. We stopped therapy because her mental health was never addressed.

Cutting her hair and wearing “boy” clothing, was not enough, she was still miserable. One horrific day, she attempted to jump off the roof and carved the word “boy,” into her arm. We went to the ER in desperation. A sympathetic nurse warned my husband and I to leave, because the social worker was on her way to emancipate our daughter, so she could get testosterone. We realized that we had no parental rights in our state. 13-year olds have complete control over all of their medical decisions. We had to move to save our daughter.

At her new school, she became friends with a nice boy who was showing an interest in her. He did not use wrong pronouns. They began dating. She slowly dropped the trans identity. Fortunately, she is much more comfortable with herself as a female. She needed time and to be affirmed as her authentic self – a female.

‘I literally lost organs:’ Why detransitioned teens regret changing genders

A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.

nypost.com

When Chloe was 12 years old, she decided she was transgender. At 13, she came out to her parents. That same year, she was put on puberty blockers and prescribed testosterone. At 15, she underwent a double mastectomy. Less than a year later, she realized she’d made a mistake — all by the time she was 16 years old.

Now 17, Chloe is one of a growing cohort called “detransitioners” — those who seek to reverse a gender transition, often after realizing they actually do identify with their biological sex. Tragically, many will struggle for the rest of their lives with the irreversible medical consequences of a decision they made as minors.

“I can’t stay quiet,” said Chloe. “I need to do something about this and to share my own cautionary tale.”
Experts worry that many young people seeking to transition are doing so without a proper mental-health evaluation. Among them is Dr. Erica Anderson, a clinical psychologist specializing in gender, sexuality and identity. A transgender woman herself, Anderson has helped hundreds of young people navigate the transition journey over the past 30 years. Anderson supports the methodical, milestone-filled process lasting anywhere from a few months to several years to undergo transition. Today, however, she’s worried that some young people are being medicalized without the proper restraint or oversight.

“I’m concerned that the rise of detransitioners is reflective of some young people who have progressed through their gender journey very, very quickly,” she said. She worries that some doctors may be defaulting to medicalization as a remedy for other personal or mental-health factors. “When other issues important to a child are not fully addressed [before transition], then medical professionals are failing children.”

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You may not support it, but you are going along with it, and refusing to acknowledge that it happens.

That hardly addresses the point that I mad about scientists setting standards as opposed to politicians who do not have the expertise to do so and are driven by a political agenda as opposed to the best interests of other people.. As far as congress is concerned, the fact that the Democrats have the Senat, and the White house is the only reason why they have not passed alot of anti trans bills......but the House has tried

House passes anti-trans sports bill | CNN Politics

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

ou may not support it, but you are going along with it, and refusing to acknowledge that it happens.

There are reports of parents being pressured by schools (with threats of reports for "medical neglect") to take their kids to a "gender specialist." Once there, the puberty blockers are nearly always prescribed with parents being chastised and threatened (with their own child's death), if they do not comply.

Here's some reading for you, if you care to learn:


Cases like this are very common:

“There are reports.......”? Of course there are reports. Any jadrool can dig up a couple horror stories and they are always based on the account of an hysterical parent if not just fabricated. Parents can rant and rave and make shit up but the professionals are bound by confidentiality

You are just fear mongering with your little anecdotes and rumors and tabloid headlines. I am talking about the best medical practices that are know to save lives, AS I HAVE DOUMENTED and that that we support.

The cases that you cite below are horrific if they really happened in the way presented. But there is no reason to believe that this type of thing is widespread and certainly do not justify banning all gender affirming care , You are doing a serious disservice to trans kids

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

When Chloe was 12 years old, she decided she was transgender. At 13, she came out to her parents. That same year, she was put on puberty blockers and prescribed testosterone. At 15, she underwent a double mastectomy. Less than a year later, she realized she’d made a mistake — all by the time she was 16 years old.

That should not have happened at 15 and does not happen rutinly, but that does not stop you from spreading your fear that endangers kids because they cannot get the care that they need. You have blood on your hands

 

[Kilroy2]

The only issue that I have is that it is a foster child. If someone is willing to provide food, medical care, a home and love for that child then what does sexual orientation have to do with it.

The state is saying that the child will stay under state care and be a number until they find a suitable person or persons to adopt. They bypass a sure thing for a what if.

It is said that very young children have a higher change of being adopted and as they grow older that chance of adoption shrinks.

Seriously most people don't understand that if a child is never adopted and the time spent in the system will emotionally scar them for life based on the amount of time spent in the system

The bottom line is people who prefer same sex partners also come from traditional homes of male and female parents.

All people who reaches adult hood will be expose to the concepts of same sex partners. If people who come from the traditional family can prefer same sex partners as adults, then it not just about the parents.

Who knows what causes heterosexual or homosexual tendencies?

Well at least the person will not freak out when seeing same sex people being together is one advantage

Don't look at them, and they instead are focus on the ground. That spot is very interesting.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Attention all bigots!! Stop using children as pawns in your relentless war on LGBT people! You care more about punishing those people for who they are than protecting and providing for children and that sucks

LGBTQ+ people are more likely to consider fostering kids. But one big barrier is stopping them.

Because of this, thousands of children may be missing out on loving homes...

www.lgbtqnation.com

But 35% of LGBTQ+ respondents also stated that fear of discrimination was a major barrier to fostering, compared to 10% of non-LGBTQ+ respondents. Similar numbers (36% and 10% respectively) expressed fear of discrimination in adopting from foster care.

There are approximately 400,000 children in foster care in the United States, and this poll suggests that many are missing out on loving homes because LGBTQ+ people are afraid of discrimination.

And their fears are certainly not without merit. Right-wing leaders have been fighting for foster and adoption agencies to have the right to discriminate. The Trump administration loosened protections in this area, allowing adoption agencies that receive federal funds to refuse to work with same-sex couples.