Lefties Pretend To Be Religious

[Said1]

Well, to answer your question, we don't give out handouts anymore. That stopped with the cuts under Clinton. The only time a Welfare program gives out money is if it is a Public Works type of deal and the recipients have earned this money working.

Are you serious? Every American on welfare is in some type of workfare program?

 

[MissileMan]

Are you serious? Every American on welfare is in some type of workfare program?

It's a little early for the NFL season.

 

[Said1]

It's a little early for the NFL season.

LOL. Gotcha!

 

[IControlThePast]

Are you serious? Every American on welfare is in some type of workfare program?

I never said that, but any of them that directly recieve money or cash from welfare are.

 

[Shattered]

I never said that, but any of them that directly recieve money or cash from welfare are.

Not even close. We have people purposely applying for jobs they're not qualified to do, just so they'll be turned down, and can stay on welfare, because there's no clause that they *must* apply for work which they are able to do - only that they must apply.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I never said that, but any of them that directly recieve money or cash from welfare are.

You sure about that?

 

[Said1]

I never said that, but any of them that directly recieve money or cash from welfare are.

Sure sounded like it:

The only time a Welfare program gives out money is if it is a Public Works type of deal and the recipients have earned this money working.

So you meant some, not all?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

"Hi, I'm ICTP, I'm a big fat liar."

 

[Said1]

Not even close. We have people purposely applying for jobs they're not qualified to do, just so they'll be turned down, and can stay on welfare, because there's no clause that they *must* apply for work which they are able to do - only that they must apply.

Not only that, applying doesn't have to mean an company is actually hiring. The fact that you sent a CV is good enough. Things are getting tougher here for younger people, but I don't know how long you can pull that off.

 

[IControlThePast]

Sure sounded like it:


So you meant some, not all?

Yes some being "anyone who recieves cash from welfare." In fact, two states under TANF actually still will give out cash benefits, but that doesn't change the amount the government gives to the welfare funding in those states, so if the programs were not effective then Utah and NJ would not be able to fund them. Now also there is also a five year maximum that an adult is allowed to recieve any benefits from welfare.

 

[Said1]

Yes some being "anyone who recieves cash from welfare." In fact, two states under TANF actually still will give out cash benefits, but that doesn't change the amount the government gives to the welfare funding in those states, so if the programs were not effective then Utah and NJ would not be able to fund them. Now also there is also a five year maximum that an adult is allowed to recieve any benefits from welfare.

So again, eveyone on welfare in the United States has to take part in some form of workfair, right? And I mean reaonably able bodied person when I say everyone.

How effective have "workfare" and other training programs (I assume educational endevours count) been at getting people off welfare and working?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes some being "anyone who recieves cash from welfare." In fact, two states under TANF actually still will give out cash benefits, but that doesn't change the amount the government gives to the welfare funding in those states, so if the programs were not effective then Utah and NJ would not be able to fund them. Now also there is also a five year maximum that an adult is allowed to recieve any benefits from welfare.

Some on welfare = anyone on welfare? You've gone loony. And you know shattered is right. All they really have to do is give a half assed effort at a few interviews to keep benefits. Why don't you get a handle on yourself and quit misrepresenting things.

 

[IControlThePast]

So again, eveyone on welfare in the United States has to take part in some form of workfair, right? And I mean reaonably able bodied person when I say everyone.

How effective have "workfare" and other training programs (I assume educational endevours count) been at getting people off welfare and working?

No. Everyone, excluding those two states (whose programs are still effective and not like they were made out to be where people can just sit around and live off welfare collectings), who is recieving money is doing so because he worked for it. Not everyone on welfare is recieving cash from it, so that is why not everyone on welfare is in workfair.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I never said that, but any of them that directly recieve money or cash from welfare are.

What's the difference between being on welfare and receiving money DIRECTLY from welfare?

 

[Said1]

Some on welfare = anyone on welfare? You've gone loony. And you know shattered is right. All they really have to do is give a half assed effort at a few interviews to keep benefits. Why don't you get a handle on yourself and quit misrepresenting things.

They probably don't need an interview to meet the job search requirments. They get credit for the effort.

 

[Annie]

They probably don't need an interview to meet the job search requirments. They get credit for the effort.

I'm not reading through the whole thread, so I'll be the jackass. My take, if for some reason male or female, most likely with kids, needs welfare; there should be a 'grace period' perhaps 6mth, maybe a year, then get your butt into gear. Some kind of job. If minimum wage is the best you can do, then let 'earned income credits' get you to a living wage.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Does it ever occur to you that they might be right and you might be wrong? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.

Of course you haven't thought that. But you see, that's the problem with any absolutist/deontological ethic. There is no alternative.

As far as the website you linked...their platform sounds reasonable to me...and Christian.

So christians believe the only effective charity is through government? I know that to be false, yet it's what these people think. this is not christianity. It's socialism and for them, theocracy.

 

[IControlThePast]

What's the difference between being on welfare and receiving money DIRECTLY from welfare?

In-kind programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, Housing Assistance, etc.

 

[Said1]

No. Everyone, excluding those two states (whose programs are still effective and not like they were made out to be where people can just sit around and live off welfare collectings), who is recieving money is doing so because he worked for it. Not everyone on welfare is recieving cash from it, so that is why not everyone on welfare is in workfair.

Am I the only one confused?

Ok, here's the problem, you don't know the welfare lingo. People getting cash have to work for it except for the two states and even then, they require you to work, or something. Others are getting different forms of aid, such as food stamps while employed, that is why they are not getting cash. Is that what you are trying to say?

Just so you know, people really DO sit around and collect cash welfare, regardless of state. It's not a Canadian phenomena.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

In-kind programs. Food stamps, Medicaid, Housing Assistance, etc.

sentence fragment?

You're losing it bucko. Take a break.