Lefties Pretend To Be Religious

[Annie]

You've got to be bad when Stephanie is sending her wrath your way!

No offense Stef, you're cool.

Thanks Said1, that was what I was trying to infer...

 

[Said1]

Thanks Said1, that was what I was trying to infer...

I do wish Stephanie would post more, she's funny when she's all fired up! Not funny ha, ha.......you know.

 

[Annie]

I do wish Stephanie would post more, she's funny when she's all fired up! Not funny ha, ha.......you know.

She makes her points, which I think is what communication is all about.

 

[menewa]

It's obvious from their many statements of belief. How ya been, whipping boy!

As usual, I stand impervious before your feeble jabs.

But seriously. You claim their faith to be false. That they are merely using Christianity as a tool to crank out more liberals rather than for actual spiritual guidance. You have no idea if this assertion is true, yet you titled the thread around it.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

As usual, I stand impervious before your feeble jabs.

But seriously. You claim their faith to be false. That they are merely using Christianity as a tool to crank out more liberals rather than for actual spiritual guidance. You have no idea if this assertion is true, yet you titled the thread around it.

DUDE! Read their site. It says what they believe. Real christians do not limit charity strictly to the public tax code. These people are just socialists.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

This is nothing new. Since we all know that only members of white western societies can have moral values.

What's nothing new? Any society is weakened when it's morality is eroded. It is possible to define a set of strengthening morals independant of religion, but the modern moral relativism movement only seeks to destroy old moral systems, and only offers in their place the barbarity of totalitarian socialism/communism.

 

[no1tovote4]

Geez, at first I was about to blow up at Gabby. Sorry, but I don't know how the many 'guys' have said the same thing, not to mention Shattered and Stephanie, so...please leave me out of the arguments. Thanks.

Sorry Kath, I wasn't trying to direct any bad remarks in your direction, in fact quite the opposite, it was simply your post that she answered. I will word it differently in the future. My point was that her vision of direct action to exclude her wasn't likely to come up at all, and if she was asking somebody to do that it was the wrong person, not that you were attempting to exclude her...

 

[Bullypulpit]

http://www.christianalliance.org/site/c.bnKIIQNtEoG/b.592941/k.CB7C/Home.htm

Just another "frame" for them.

Does it ever occur to you that they might be right and you might be wrong? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.

Of course you haven't thought that. But you see, that's the problem with any absolutist/deontological ethic. There is no alternative.

As far as the website you linked...their platform sounds reasonable to me...and Christian.

 

[Bullypulpit]

the antichristian movement is designed to destroy western societies (white) by eroding it's moral foundation. Morality has the effect of allowing people to work together according to predefined rules, thus strengthening the society as a whole. Destroy the moral foundation and you weaken the society as the individuals spend more time questioning and mistrusting each other, instead of working together.

You and your fellow travelers doing a pretty good job of destroying the "moral foundations" of "western society". It's folks like you who are promoting the splintering of the Church rather than working to strengthen it.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Helping the poor can be achieved just as effectively through private means.

Yes, that's something you should bear in mind as you attend your lilly-white, suburban mega-church, while churches in the inner-city scramble to do the work to help the poor.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Hey it's easy spending other's money right??

Just ask the Bush administration. They're borrowing money hand over fist from foreign creditors to finance tax-cuts for the wealthiest 1 % of Americans and Dubbyuh's dirty little war.

 

[MissileMan]

I'm only for supporting the programs we have now, and in fact cutting some of the welfare programs we have now, but that fact remains the government is legally responsible for the welfare of its citizens to some degree.

I agree with this, but I have a question for you. Where does it say that providing for someone's welfare means giving them an endless handout instead of making the lazy bums go out and earn a paycheck? All of these jobs being performed by illegal aliens could just as well be filled by welfare recipients...as a matter of fact, if people were made to earn their checks with some of the crappier jobs around, they would be motivated to get off the dole.

I'm not keen on 25% of the money I earn being given to some fat bitch so she can stay home, watch TV, and make more little drains on society.

 

[Gabriella84]

I agree with this, but I have a question for you. Where does it say that providing for someone's welfare means giving them an endless handout instead of making the lazy bums go out and earn a paycheck?

How about providing a paycheck for the lazy bums to earn?
How about providing stiff penalties for any company that lays off American workers and send their job abroad, where they can be done for a fraction of what Americans would make?
How about charging corporate execs who costs workers their jobs with felonies or capital crimes, instead of awarding them with multi-million dollar buyouts?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

How about providing a paycheck for the lazy bums to earn?
How about providing stiff penalties for any company that lays off American workers and send their job abroad, where they can be done for a fraction of what Americans would make?
How about charging corporate execs who costs workers their jobs with felonies or capital crimes, instead of awarding them with multi-million dollar buyouts?

You're just assuming that corporations grow money on trees and can hand infinite supplies of it out at will. Corporations are subject to market conditions. And even communist nations who deny reality and insist competition is evil, are still subject to market conditions. Don't believe me? Study the current decline of Europe.

 

[Said1]

How about providing a paycheck for the lazy bums to earn?
How about providing stiff penalties for any company that lays off American workers and send their job abroad, where they can be done for a fraction of what Americans would make?
How about charging corporate execs who costs workers their jobs with felonies or capital crimes, instead of awarding them with multi-million dollar buyouts?

Who is supposed to do all the above?
What if the lazy bums still don't want to work despite the billions spent on job creation in the hopes of "providing" a paycheck (which are usually short term and highly suseptable to cut backs). Serious questions, no flame intended.

 

[archangel]

Who is supposed to do all the above?
What if the lazy bums still don't want to work despite the billions spent on job creation in the hopes of "providing" a paycheck (which are usually short term and highly suseptable to cut backs). Serious questions, no flame intended.

G84 brought up some ligitiment points....Congress could introduce a bill that would spank Corporations who outsource jobs and reward those that produce jobs for US citizens...also Federal and State welfare programs could be modified to include a maximum benefit payout of 1 year...after which the receipient would be given the option to take a job that illegals do for the same rate...but include some medical benefits...if they refused then the welfare checks would be cut off...not rocket science just fair play!

 

[Said1]

G84 brought up some ligitiment points....Congress could introduce a bill that would spank Corporations who outsource jobs and reward those that produce jobs for US citizens...also Federal and State welfare programs could be modified to include a maximum benefit payout of 1 year...after which the receipient would be given the option to take a job that illegals do for the same rate...but include some medical benefits...if they refused then the welfare checks would be cut off...not rocket science just fair play!

I know she did, that's why I responded so nicely.

I can't bash outsourcing totally, Canadians benefit largely from jobs outsourced in this country.

I think welfare should be limited myself, I've always thought that. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of government job creation since they tend to be short term and mostly fluff jobs. In some cases here, jobs were moved from one city to another. One persons gain was another persons loss.

 

[MissileMan]

I know she did, that's why I responded so nicely.

I can't bash outsourcing totally, Canadians benefit largely from jobs outsourced in this country.

I think welfare should be limited myself, I've always thought that. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of government job creation since they tend to be short term and mostly fluff jobs. In some cases here, jobs were moved from one city to another. One persons gain was another persons loss.

If nothing else, when you sign up for welfare, you have to show up at a certain place, at a certain time, where they give you a large trash bag and a stick with a nail in the end of it. Come back when the bag is full.

 

[Said1]

If nothing else, when you sign up for welfare, you have to show up at a certain place, at a certain time, where they give you a large trash bag and a stick with a nail in the end of it. Come back when the bag is full.

You're refering to workfare?

 

[IControlThePast]

I agree with this, but I have a question for you. Where does it say that providing for someone's welfare means giving them an endless handout instead of making the lazy bums go out and earn a paycheck? All of these jobs being performed by illegal aliens could just as well be filled by welfare recipients...as a matter of fact, if people were made to earn their checks with some of the crappier jobs around, they would be motivated to get off the dole.

I'm not keen on 25% of the money I earn being given to some fat bitch so she can stay home, watch TV, and make more little drains on society.

Well, to answer your question, we don't give out handouts anymore. That stopped with the cuts under Clinton. The only time a Welfare program gives out money is if it is a Public Works type of deal and the recipients have earned this money working.