Left wing political groups spend far more money than the NRA, and the left actually kills babies....

Besides, if they are not born, you assholes don't get a chance to starve them to death, or deny them needed medical care. You are real asshole hypocrites. You say they must be born, but do everything after than to deny the children a chance for a decent life.


Yes....you say we starve them and deny them medical care when conseratives give more time and money than you assholes do, and we support groups that take care of children...

you say this lie over and over again in order to justify murdering the baby in the womb...to make murder sound noble.......

People like you also justified owning black people because you said they couldn't take care of themselves and needed people like you to control them...

You people have been assholes since the beginning of time...
So, all the children in the US have access to health care? If you answer that yes, you are a liar. Time to make that availability universal. Then maybe our infant mortality rate can rise enough to match that of other first world nations instead of being down there with third world nations.


Yes....all children in the U.S. have access to healthcare even if their parent's can't afford it.....even the hospital where jimmy kimmel brough his kid for heart surgery...dumb ass....
Ya, sure. In an emergency room. When things have progressed to the point of being life threatening. You 'Conservative' assholes don't care a bit about children, this is just another ploy to get the evangelical vote.


No...dumb ass...

Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) | Medicaid.gov
  • Coverage: Since 1997, CHIP has cut the percentage of uninsured children nationwide by half. The benefits covered by CHIP and the qualified plans we reviewed were similar. For example, like CHIP plans, the qualified plans typically did not impose limits on emergency care, preventive care, ambulatory services, or prescription drugs. However, the qualified plans did impose limits on outpatient therapies, as well as dental, vision, and hearing services.
  • Cost: Families could face higher costs if they have children in CHIP who are shifted to qualified health plans. Among the plans we examined, CHIP plans almost always charged less for cost-sharing than qualified health plans, and typically didn’t require the payment of deductibles. Additionally, costs could be considerably higher, as some families may not qualify for available federal subsidies.
  • Access: Whether their children were covered by CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance, those surveyed were generally similarly positive about being able to access care. However, children in private plans may have better access to specialty care than those in Medicaid. In our 2010 survey, physicians reported greater difficulty in referring children to specialty care if they had Medicaid or CHIP plans as opposed to private insurance.
Funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)

CHIP: Trump's budget cuts children's health insurance program - CNN

CNN)President Donald Trump's budget plans to cut the Children's Health Insurance Program by at least 20% over the next two fiscal years and slash Medicaid, which covers millions more children.

Not coverage for all children, and the treasonous fat senile old orange clown will try to eliminate the program completely.
 
Show me where Paddock broke any gun laws? Are the 'bump' stocks illegal in Nevada? How many states are they illegal in? And how much money has the NRA spent to change that? Bet they have removed as much info on that as possible since Vegas.


He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
Don't play games with me, dumb fuck. Any gun that you can fire 30 times in under ten seconds is an assault weapon. It is not designed for hunting, or home defense, it is designed for killing people in large numbers, rapidly. You can play semantics all you want, but these guns are assault weapons.
 
Show me where Paddock broke any gun laws? Are the 'bump' stocks illegal in Nevada? How many states are they illegal in? And how much money has the NRA spent to change that? Bet they have removed as much info on that as possible since Vegas.


He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
I see. Then Vegas did not happen? If it really happened, why did those laws not prevent it? Why have those laws not prevented the weekly mass shooting here in the US? Why have there been no mass shootings in Australia since they passed some pretty stern gun laws?
 
Yes....you say we starve them and deny them medical care when conseratives give more time and money than you assholes do, and we support groups that take care of children...

you say this lie over and over again in order to justify murdering the baby in the womb...to make murder sound noble.......

People like you also justified owning black people because you said they couldn't take care of themselves and needed people like you to control them...

You people have been assholes since the beginning of time...
So, all the children in the US have access to health care? If you answer that yes, you are a liar. Time to make that availability universal. Then maybe our infant mortality rate can rise enough to match that of other first world nations instead of being down there with third world nations.


Yes....all children in the U.S. have access to healthcare even if their parent's can't afford it.....even the hospital where jimmy kimmel brough his kid for heart surgery...dumb ass....
Ya, sure. In an emergency room. When things have progressed to the point of being life threatening. You 'Conservative' assholes don't care a bit about children, this is just another ploy to get the evangelical vote.


No...dumb ass...

Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) | Medicaid.gov
  • Coverage: Since 1997, CHIP has cut the percentage of uninsured children nationwide by half. The benefits covered by CHIP and the qualified plans we reviewed were similar. For example, like CHIP plans, the qualified plans typically did not impose limits on emergency care, preventive care, ambulatory services, or prescription drugs. However, the qualified plans did impose limits on outpatient therapies, as well as dental, vision, and hearing services.
  • Cost: Families could face higher costs if they have children in CHIP who are shifted to qualified health plans. Among the plans we examined, CHIP plans almost always charged less for cost-sharing than qualified health plans, and typically didn’t require the payment of deductibles. Additionally, costs could be considerably higher, as some families may not qualify for available federal subsidies.
  • Access: Whether their children were covered by CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance, those surveyed were generally similarly positive about being able to access care. However, children in private plans may have better access to specialty care than those in Medicaid. In our 2010 survey, physicians reported greater difficulty in referring children to specialty care if they had Medicaid or CHIP plans as opposed to private insurance.
Funding the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)

CHIP: Trump's budget cuts children's health insurance program - CNN

CNN)President Donald Trump's budget plans to cut the Children's Health Insurance Program by at least 20% over the next two fiscal years and slash Medicaid, which covers millions more children.

Not coverage for all children, and the treasonous fat senile old orange clown will try to eliminate the program completely.


Thanks for making my point....

For example, like CHIP plans, the qualified plans typically did not impose limits on emergency care, preventive care, ambulatory services, or prescription drugs.
----

Access: Whether their children were covered by CHIP, Medicaid, or private insurance, those surveyed were generally similarly positive about being able to access care.
 
He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
Don't play games with me, dumb fuck. Any gun that you can fire 30 times in under ten seconds is an assault weapon. It is not designed for hunting, or home defense, it is designed for killing people in large numbers, rapidly. You can play semantics all you want, but these guns are assault weapons.


No dumb shit...even the made up category of "Assault Weapon" is a weapon that has select fire capability. No civilian rifle has select fire capability..... they are rifles used for self defense.

You can lie and scare monger all you want...but lying is vile, and so are you....
 
He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
I see. Then Vegas did not happen? If it really happened, why did those laws not prevent it? Why have those laws not prevented the weekly mass shooting here in the US? Why have there been no mass shootings in Australia since they passed some pretty stern gun laws?


Australia hasn't had mass shootings because of dumb luck, bad shooting and men with guns who didn't shoot more people...

Please...tell all of us how Australian gun laws kept any of the following shootings from being mass shootings...the gunmen had guns, they had access to public places...they didn't kill more people through dumb luck or bad shooting....dumb ass...

I have isolated shooting incidents in Australia that could just as easily have turned into mass shooting events....and yes, I know, you are going to move the goal posts and change the results.......

So no, the gun confiscation in Austrulia did not stop mass shootings....dumb luck did.....since all of these shooters had no trouble getting guns.....right?


Tell me.....how is anything other than luck that kept these from being mass shootings...since the shooter obviously was able to get a gun and shoot people in gun free Australia...right?

6/5/17


‘Terror’ gunman was on parole

POLICE are investigating possible terror links to a siege in which officers gunned down one man and found another dead in Melbourne’s southeast.

A senior law enforcement figure said the gunman was on parole for a criminal offence and rated as a low-risk figure of interest to counter-terror authorities.

The Herald Sun has revealed the gunman was Yacqub Khayre, a Somali refugee who was known to counter-terrorism police.

Police shot and killed Khayre, a second man was found dead in the foyer of an apartment building in Brighton and three cops sustained gunshot wounds in the bloody hostage drama.

A male caller to the Channel 7 newsroom in Melbourne said: “This is for IS” and “this is for Al-Qaeda.” The station said a woman could be heard screaming in the background.

A Victoria Police statement confirmed police are investigating whether the incident is terrorism related.
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March 2016....


Number of shootings in Melbourne area continues to rise

Three people will appear in court in Geelong after shots were fired between two moving cars on Thursday night, as the problem with gun-related violence in the Melbourne area continues to escalate.

The shooting at Geelong and another separate incident at Frankston brings to 10 the number of shootings in the Melbourne and Geelong areas since February 2.

Three people were arrested after shots were fired between two moving cars just before 6:30pm at Norlane.
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4/28/16 gang shooting in Perth


No Cookies | Perth Now

tensions had since risen between the Rebels and the Coffin Cheaters, he said.


“That’s something that I cannot elaborate on further at this time,” Det Insp Fyfe said.

“We know both gangs were there.

“The offender or offenders, I do not believe they are a threat to the community in general.”

He said police were yet to identify a suspect, but were speaking with the two surviving victims.

Det Insp Fyfe said at least eight shots were fired from two different types of guns, one of which was a semi-automatic, and one bullet went through a car in the street, so it was fortunate no innocent bystanders were hurt.

4/28/16 port arthur shooting with assault rifle..

Man found shot in Port Arthur

Port Arthur Police are investigating a shooting at Dewalt and W. 14th Street. Police got the call at about 10:45 p.m. Thursday. When they arrived on the scene they found a 29-year-old man laying outside a car that was riddled with bullets. The man had a gunshot wound to the leg and was taken to Christus Southeast Texas St. Elizabeth in Beaumont. His injuries are not life-threatening.
Police say they believe the gun used was some sort of an assault rifle. There is no word on any suspects at this time.

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4/29/16....

'This isn't a random shooting': Man targeted in Sydney killing

A gunman is at large after a "targeted" shooting in Sydney's south-west that has left one man dead and two other people injured.
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Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]
  • 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.
  • 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
  • 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
  • 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
  • 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
  • 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]
  • 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
  • 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]
  • 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed

  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
  • 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.
  • 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

  • 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.
Here is a neater list.....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia
  • 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.


  • 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
21st century[edit]
2000s[edit]

  • 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]


  • 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
  • 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
  • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shootingHuan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.


  • 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
  • 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

  • 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.
If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?
  • 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?
And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

  • 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]
Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....


  • 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]
this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....
  • 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

  • 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]
And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

  • 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...
 
He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
I see. Then Vegas did not happen? If it really happened, why did those laws not prevent it? Why have those laws not prevented the weekly mass shooting here in the US? Why have there been no mass shootings in Australia since they passed some pretty stern gun laws?


We don't have weekly mass shootings in this country.

Here is an actual list of mass public shootings from Mother Jones, an anti gun, left wing source....they list every mass public shooting since 1982....here are the numbers...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
 
He smashed two windows in the hotel....he murdered 58 people, and he wounded and maimed over 450.....you mean like those laws?

Dumb ass.....
With perfectly legal guns. Legal for now. Quit trying to lie. The son of a bitch had your full support in obtaining the means to do mass murder with guns on a scale not seen before in this nation.


He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

And the guy in Nice, France, he obtained the means to do mass murder...he rented a rental truck and killed 89 people and wounded 458......and people like you....except they are French........gave him their full support in renting that murder weapon.....

moron.
Yes, and some people used box cutters and airplanes to murder 3000 people here in the US. So we made a bunch of rules concerning what can or cannot be brought onto airplanes. Trucks and box cutters are necessary tools. Assault weapons are not, and should never have been allowed in civilian hands, period. But there are enough of them out there that we cannot collect them. So, the logical thing to do is to make laws concerning the licenses required to have such outside of your property. See, no confiscation of your 'defense' weapons, but, if you cannot pass the requirements for the license, you cannot take those weapons off of your property.


Why do you keep using the word, Assault weapon....none of these shooters in any of these attacks have used military weapons for these mass public shootings...not one of them...you are lying.

We have rifles that are used for self defense....they are not military weapons, but they are used by the police. We already have federal background checks for gun purchases, and if you have a criminal record and are caught with a gun, you are arrested.....we already have all the laws we need to stop criminals.
I see. Then Vegas did not happen? If it really happened, why did those laws not prevent it? Why have those laws not prevented the weekly mass shooting here in the US? Why have there been no mass shootings in Australia since they passed some pretty stern gun laws?


The laws in this country can't stop mass shootings because the only crime the mass shooter commits is the mass shooting. Why do people like you continue to let violent gun criminals back on the streets, considering they are the ones who actually murder more people every year...yet you don't care about them.
 
You asswipes made it legal.....that's on you.

Uh, guy, maybe you should check on who vote Roe V. Wade into being.

Hint, of the Seven justices who voted for it, five of them were REPUBLICAN appointees put on the court by Eisenhower and Nixon.

Of the two who voted against it, one of them, Byron White, was a Democratic appointee.

The reason why they did was because by 1973, the Abortion laws were being completely ignored to the point of being meaningless.
 
You asswipes made it legal.....that's on you.

Uh, guy, maybe you should check on who vote Roe V. Wade into being.

Hint, of the Seven justices who voted for it, five of them were REPUBLICAN appointees put on the court by Eisenhower and Nixon.

Of the two who voted against it, one of them, Byron White, was a Democratic appointee.

The reason why they did was because by 1973, the Abortion laws were being completely ignored to the point of being meaningless.


Left wing justices who call themselves republicans are not Conservatives......we have north eastern republicans who vote to kill babies too...dumb ass....
 
He broke no laws getting those guns.....he broke the law when he used them to commit murder. Unlike you, we don't arrest people before they break the law.....fascists like you do, but not us.

Well, stopping him before he killed 60 people would have been preferable.


And how would you have done that dumb ass.....France has outlawed all military rifles...and terrorists got them easily and murdered 130 people at a music concert.......moron. And those guys were already on French government, terrorist watch lists......
 
The NRA is the leading Gun Safety training group in the United States.....you know..actually saving lives.

The NRA fights against democrat attempts to put more criminals back on the streets...you know, actually saving lives.

The NRA trains police officers all around the country...you know, actually saving lives.

And no, they are not the biggest spenders in Washington..not even close.....Planned Parenthood, the group that actually murders defenseless human beings outspends them by hundreds of millions each year...and a lot of that money is taxpayer money........

Politicians and Guns: Follow the Votes, Not the Money

The Washington Post and the New York Times laid out splashy reports chronicling how much money the NRA has given to Republican congressmen. Trump visits with survivors of Las Vegas shooting

“Since 1998, the National Rifle Association has donated $3,533,294 to current members of Congress,” the Post reported in 2016. The New York Times listed total NRA donations to certain GOP politicians alongside their statements offering condolences and prayers for the victims in Las Vegas. And the op-ed pages have been suffused with claims that the NRA has bought Republicans with blood money, stifling the popular will and thwarting democracy in the process.

There’s just one problem: It’s not true.

Oh, it’s certainly the case that the NRA and related groups have given a good amount of money to Republican politicians (and quite a few Democrats) over the years. But in the grubby bazaar of politician-buying, the NRA is a bit player.

Consider that $3.5 million in donations over nearly 20 years the Washington Post made such a fuss about.

According to Opensecrets.org, the legal profession contributed $207 million to politicians in 2016 alone.


Fahr LLC, the outfit that oversees the political and philanthropic efforts of billionaire anti-global-warming activist Tom Steyer, gave $90 million (all to Democrats) in 2016.


In terms of lobbying and political contributions, the NRA and the gun industry generally spend next to nothing compared with the big players.

According to OpenSecrets, the NRA spent $1.1 million on contributions in 2016 and $3 million on lobbying.

The food and beverage industry has spent $14 million on lobbying in 2017 alone.

Alphabet, Google’s parent company, spent $9 million on contributions in 2016. People who hate guns and gun rights cannot believe that people disagree with them in good faith.


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In fairness, NRA-related outside PACs do bundle a good deal more cash, but it’s still a fraction of what big labor and the trial lawyers pony up. All NRA-related outside expenditures in 2016 added up to about $54 million. A single liberal super PAC, Priorities USA, spent $133 million.

Republicans are far less locked into the NRA then democrats are locked into PP.


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