Lee Atwater

[DiamondDave]

My only hope is that people stop falling for the crap that people like Lee Atwater and Karl Rove put out there.

Then we might actually elect the best leaders, not the best liars.

Luckily it didn't work on Obama and it backfired on Elizabeth Dole.

So if you are aware that poor inner city people vote ignorantly for democrats, I'm sure you will admit that the poor white south does the same for Republicans?

And at least the poor inner city people are voting for the right party financially. The poor white trash down south are voting for Republicans who are making them even poorer. And how do they continue to get thier votes? Because the morons cling to guns and religion.

Probably not the smartest thing for Obama to have said, but very true.

See, you can't be truthful and win elections. The people want to be lied to.

You are truly the biggest idiot troll on this board, or at least close to it with kirkybot and orange_juice

Funny... many of us vote for policy and stances as pertaining to the intent of the founding fathers and the constitution... not just on what we can personally get out of the government or through wealth redistribution facilitated by the government

And if you think that just because 'they' are poor whites from the south, that they also do not fall into the entitlement crapola of Obama and the other extreme leftists, you are sadly mistaken....

There will always be the ignorant ones on BOTH side.. people voting on skin color or religion... you probably had even more that were purely voting for Obama because of his skin color, than those that were voting against him because of it

No... people do not want to be lied to... ignorant people want to continue to be lied to, pandered to, and told they can get something for nothing because they are owed it in this live (and that the government exists to facilitate that objective)

Sorry to inform you... but the government does not exist to give you a handout... and if you vote on those criteria, then it is you who are the ignorant one... but how do the DEMs continue to get that vote? Because morons cling to entitlement, revenge, and envy

 

[CSM]

Oh I absolutely believe poor white people cling to guns and religion. Not all of them of course, but enough to make a state solid red, even though they are broke.


The GOP made the rich richer and the poor poorer. So how does the GOP hold on to these voters? Thru god, gays and guns, plus racism.


There are books written about how the GOP have done this over the years.

I myself thought Karl Rove came up with all this stuff, or mastered it, but it turns out this Lee Atwater is the original.

I think you can click on the link I provided at the beginning and watch some of the documentary.

I will love to discuss this with you after you have watched it.

I already stated that I watched the documentary and did not reach the same conclusions you did. If you think you are going to"convert" me you are in for a huge disappointment. I do not limit my thinking to one "documentary". I like my sources for reaching conclusions (especially regarding politics) far more eclectic.

 

[sealybobo]

Obama was right? Does that mean that anyone who owns a gun or holds religious beliefs (or both) is bitter and living a "miserable existence" being "poor white trash"?

No, that's not what it means.

Let's focus on the poor white people in red states that every 4 year vote for Republicans no matter what.

Why do you think those poor white people vote for Republicans every time?

a. They don't think Democrats will do any better?
b. Republicans brainwashed them into thinking we will take their guns away, or we are Godless.
c. They think Democrats will raise their taxes (possible exception)
d. They think liberals are weak on defense and national security (another possible reason that isn't true but a valid concern)
e. Racism.


Ok, I just gave myself some fair reasons why some poor white's vote GOP, other than racism. Fine. But, I don't think that's enough to win. I think without the negative lies/smears, Dole would have beat Reagan, Dukakis was killing Bush 1 and Bush would not have beaten McCain in 2000.

The GOP only represent the richest people in this country. If that means 30% of our population, then they should only have 30% of the seats in Congress. And unless he walks on water, we should NEVER elect a Republican for President ever again. That person will only work for the richest citizens, just like Bush proved.

 

[CSM]

No, that's not what it means.

Let's focus on the poor white people in red states that every 4 year vote for Republicans no matter what.

Why do you think those poor white people vote for Republicans every time?

a. They don't think Democrats will do any better?
b. Republicans brainwashed them into thinking we will take their guns away, or we are Godless.
c. They think Democrats will raise their taxes (possible exception)
d. They think liberals are weak on defense and national security (another possible reason that isn't true but a valid concern)
e. Racism.

Ok, I just gave myself some fair reasons why some poor white's vote GOP, other than racism. Fine. But, I don't think that's enough to win. I think without the negative lies/smears, Dole would have beat Reagan, Dukakis was killing Bush 1 and Bush would not have beaten McCain in 2000.

The GOP only represent the richest people in this country. If that means 30% of our population, then they should only have 30% of the seats in Congress. And unless he walks on water, we should NEVER elect a Republican for President ever again. That person will only work for the richest citizens, just like Bush proved.

How easily you dismis your own reasoning! That and you limit yourself to those reasons and those reasons only. Of the five you list, three you yourself acknowledge may be valid yet you focus on the two which are most suspect as the reason they vote the way they do. That does not seem reasonable to me.

Here are a few more possibilities for you to consider:

1) They truly believe that the Democratic Party platform diametrically opposes their beliefs.

2) The Democratic Party members (such as yourself) are more than condescending, arrogant and hypocritical.

3) They dont like being called racist, redneck, poor white trash, or any of the other terms you seem to favor.

4) They are smarter than you think and do not believe that the Dems will be effctive in solving the economic crisis, illegal immigration and various other issues.

 

[sealybobo]

How easily you dismis your own reasoning! That and you limit yourself to those reasons and those reasons only. Of the five you list, three you yourself acknowledge may be valid yet you focus on the two which are most suspect as the reason they vote the way they do. That does not seem reasonable to me.

Here are a few more possibilities for you to consider:

1) They truly believe that the Democratic Party platform diametrically opposes their beliefs.

2) The Democratic Party members (such as yourself) are more than condescending, arrogant and hypocritical.

3) They dont like being called racist, redneck, poor white trash, or any of the other terms you seem to favor.

4) They are smarter than you think and do not believe that the Dems will be effctive in solving the economic crisis, illegal immigration and various other issues.

I hope you appreciate that I am capable of admitting/seeing where/when I'm wrong. Also, I don't think ALL Republicans are racist or dumb.

I think a lot of my Republican friends would agree with your 4 reasons.

I'm just saying that Republican politicians are very effective at using dirty/negative politics to win elections.

And I think it only works on ignorant voters.

It may not work on you, but does it turn you off like it does me? Or do you not mind because it is effective?

 

[sealybobo]

You are truly the biggest idiot troll on this board, or at least close to it with kirkybot and orange_juice

Your reply wouldn't have been so bad had you not started with this.

 

[CSM]

I hope you appreciate that I am capable of admitting/seeing where/when I'm wrong. Also, I don't think ALL Republicans are racist or dumb.

I think a lot of my Republican friends would agree with your 4 reasons.

I'm just saying that Republican politicians are very effective at using dirty/negative politics to win elections.

And I think it only works on ignorant voters.

It may not work on you, but does it turn you off like it does me? Or do you not mind because it is effective?

Dirty politics disgusts me...however, I am not so partisan that I believe ONLY Republicans engage in dirty politics.

You see, if you had left the word "Republicans out of this statement, we would be in complete agreement:

"I'm just saying that Republican politicians are very effective at using dirty/negative politics to win elections."

By the way, dirty politics not only works on the ignorant but he lazy too. If someone does not take the time to do some research and think things through then they are just as bad as the ignorant .... come to think of it ... they make themselves ignorant so you are essentially correct.

 

[sealybobo]

Dirty politics disgusts me...however, I am not so partisan that I believe ONLY Republicans engage in dirty politics.

You see, if you had left the word "Republicans out of this statement, we would be in complete agreement:

"I'm just saying that Republican politicians are very effective at using dirty/negative politics to win elections."

By the way, dirty politics not only works on the ignorant but he lazy too. If someone does not take the time to do some research and think things through then they are just as bad as the ignorant .... come to think of it ... they make themselves ignorant so you are essentially correct.

Here are two great examples of how Rove/Atwater go farther than most politicians:

Rove used ‘push-polling’. In 1993 he began advising George W Bush on his bid to become Governor of Texas, against the incumbent Democrat, Anne Richards. Supposed pollsters called voters to ask if they would be ‘more or less likely to vote for Richards if you knew her staff is dominated by lesbians’.

During the 2000 Republican presidential primary, pollsters in South Carolina asked voters if they would be ‘more or less likely to vote for John McCain [George W Bush’s rival] for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child’.


Can you show me where Ann Richards or John McCain did this back to Bush?

 

[DiamondDave]

Your reply wouldn't have been so bad had you not started with this.

Well... since you are probably one of the 3 or 4 most ignorantly partisan blow hards on here.. it fit the criteria of responding to your crappy, idiotic troll post filled with nothing more than bashes, generalizations, and baseless crap

 

[sealybobo]

Well... since you are probably one of the 3 or 4 most ignorantly partisan blow hards on here.. it fit the criteria of responding to your crappy, idiotic troll post filled with nothing more than bashes, generalizations, and baseless crap

Oh it isn't baseless Dave. You think so? Maybe that's how it looks with your partisan blinders on?

 

[DiamondDave]

You calling someone partisan.. OH that is RICH!!! LMAO

 

[rayboyusmc]

And your type of logic is why I hate Dems so much....you can't even get your lies to sound remotely plausible to anyone over the age of 6.

Are you saying that the right can get their lies to sound plausible?

Lee Atwater was scumbag. He even admitted it and repented before he died from cancer. He was Rove's mentor and guide to dirty politics.

 

[sealybobo]

You calling someone partisan.. OH that is RICH!!! LMAO

I feel the same way about you dave!

I don't hide the fact that I hate Republicans. Don't trust them. Don't respect them. Don't want them to lead ever.

Now there are some very smart conservatives that may be republicans, like Ron Paul.

Even as much as I agree with him, I also disagree with him just as much. I don't like the "every man for himself" approach to society.

We are all in this together.

Yes, the rich pay for the poor. Is that socialism? Then I'm a socialist. Then you live in a socialist society.

 

[CSM]

Are you saying that the right can get their lies to sound plausible?

Lee Atwater was scumbag. He even admitted it and repented before he died from cancer. He was Rove's mentor and guide to dirty politics.

Yep they can. And so can the Dems...just not all of them.

I am merely pointing out to Sealy that it is just not Republicans that engage in dirty politics.

 

[rayboyusmc]

I am merely pointing out to Sealy that it is just not Republicans that engage in dirty politics.

True, but Atwater and Rove have been pioneers in this field. If they ever give out an award, they both will get one.

 

[CSM]

True, but Atwater and Rove have been pioneers in this field. If they ever give out an award, they both will get one.

Puleeeze. Read about some of the past campaigns by some of our former presidents. Dirty politics have been arounde since we became a democratic republic. I suspect the cleanest "campaign" this country has ever had was when Washington was "running".

 

[MrJim]

Did anyone see the documentary on him last night? What a scumbag. He was the Karl Rove before Karl Rove. Without him, Reagan & HW Bush would have both lost. You should have seen the smear they did to Bob Dole. He was FURIOUS! Which is funny to me now because of Elizabeth Dole's dirty tactics just recently where she called her opponent godless and it cost her the election. Ha ha.

I still think dirty politics will work in the future, but it was nice to see they didn't work on Obama.

The documentary said last night that Obama would not have won if Lee was still around.

The Dukakis' are still bitter to this day about the Willie Horton smears. It turns out that Reagan was responsible for Willie Horton's release. But just like Kerry made the mistake of not responding to the bullshit smears, Dukakis didn't respond in time either and he lost a huge lead, and clearly the Presidency by not fighting back.

Then Lee got a brain tumor and died. He was very sorry for the scumbag things he did in the end, because he was afraid he would go to hell.

I found myself hating this man but no one can wish a brain tumor on another person. That's just horrible. But it is also karma. Karl Rove might want to take note.

PS. Any Republican who thinks there is no difference between Dems and Reps, watch this documentary. You guys invented dirty politics. Or you mastered it.

Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story

Netflix has the movie. Title "Boogie Man"