Leasing vs. Buying

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    What are the benefits of leasing a car vs. buying a car? I would love some opinions from those who have done either, and which way I should go with my next car. Thanks!
     
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    It all depends on how long you drive a car. If you only keep it for 2-3 years, lease. If you drive them longer, buy.

    Also, remember that leases limit the number of miles you drive. If you don't drive a lot, leasing might work. If you travel a lot or have a long commute (distance-wise, not timewise), you could go over your limit and have to pay a penalty on the lease.

    Best place to read about it: Lease vs Buy? Car Leasing versus Buying Explained
     
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    I Repeat: NEVER Lease (washingtonpost.com)
     
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    If you want, just calculate the NPV of the lease versus buy based on your set of circumstances. That will tell you the better economic decision.
     
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    I never want to have a car longer than the warranty and if you lease they do all your service for free, fix everything throughout the lease term right down to windshield washer fluid...

    If you use the car for business a lease almost always makes more sense because of the tax benefits. The one thing that would mitigate against a lease is if you drive more than the maximum number of miles per year. At about 25 cents (I think) per mile after your max, that can run into thousands of dollars at the end of the lease term and is simply wasted money.
     
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    Here's what Dave Ramsey says about car leases:


    Explain How A Car Lease Works
     
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    Leasing is fine if someone else is paying for it, otherwise leasing is not very fiscally smart.
     
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    Buy it, run it into the ground for 10 years, and save yourself a fortune. Make sure you don't buy new - utterly pointless, unless (potentially) there is some kind of lifetime warranty based on a new purchase and it is non transferable. Otherwise, you're looking at a 50% loss over the first 24 months (depending on the brand).

    Get something between 1 and 2 years old with the remainder of the factory warranty.

    The only benefit to leasing is that if it turns out you hate the reality of driving a particular vehicle you can turn it in after 24 months.
     
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    There are three ways to finance your next car.

    LEASE LEASE LEASE!

    Do NOT, I repeat NOT EVER buy a car unless it has low depreciation, and you pay for it, 100% in cash.

    Let's take the number $25,000, which is a good number for a mid-size car with a number of options on it to have.

    You can decide to buy a car, pay 5% interest and pay $2000 ($27,000) more for a car that's really worth about $17,500 on the market today out of the lot. No car, unless it's a Mercedes or a Rolls, will not depreciate at least 25% the first 100 miles you drive it. Why? Because if the dealer tried to sell that exact same car at an auction (which is where all the used car dealers get their cars) that's would they pay for it. Do NOT, I repeat do NOT ever use Kelly Blue Book when working with a car dealer. Most dealers think it's a joke. They use a red book or a black book, which is a very, very tiny book that gives an average of what your car sold for in x, y z conditions at auctions within the past 90 days in your area. Your $25,000 car will sell for $17,000 at an auction and the used car dealer will try to sell it for the exact same price you try to buy it new for. AND don't hold onto a car for more than 3 years - there are too many technological breakthroughs on the horizon with car safety and fuel economy. A car is much like a computer - within 6 months it will be completely obselete. If you want to run your car into the ground and put on 100,000 or 200,000 miles - fine buy it - but realize that unless you're buying a Hyndai, your warranty will expire within 3 years.

    Now - if all you care about is a car to get you from point a to point b with a few extra ammenities, LEASE. Out of the $25,000, you're paying for 60% of the car plus the rate factor. A $25,000 car will go for $375, maybe $425 a month with no money down in a lease. The credit company decides the residual (the amount of money you would need to put down at the end to buy the car for) so the dealer can't change that. They can indeed though change the cap cost by giving you a discount off of the actual selling price of the car. So instead of leasing a $25,000 MSRP car, you could actually lease a $19,000 car with rebates (which are sometimes a bit less) and an additional discount. Always ask what the residual is on the car you want before leasing - they know this because Detroit always sends them this at the beginning of the month. If your residual is below 45%, don't lease the car. If the residual is around 60%, that's a great deal.

    Don't put any money down when leasing a car unless you have shaky credit. There is absolutely no reason to spend more money than the percentage of the car you're leasing in monthly payments. The only thing money down will do is lower your monthly payments - but that's money you would have spent anyway! So instead of putting the money down, you can invest that money in a money market or CD, make interest off of it and use it towards your monthly payments.

    Remember: The bigger and nicer the car, the better the residual. Small cars are terrible leasers. Big giant cars are terrible leasers. A mid size car or SUV is always a good lease. Pick up trucks, are terrible leasers. Ford Fusion, Ford 500, Ford Explorer and all the vechicles like them should be good leasers. A lease residual will not change for dealer to dealer unless one dealer is in a completely different region of the country.

    Come in with a plan. For every $5000, a car will cost $100 for a finance and $75 a month for a lease. Know what you can afford per month. This will it make it very easy to deal with a salesperson. You cannot lease a used car, you can only lease a new car. Very few new cars have more of a mark up in the MSRP of $2500 or more. Very few used cars will have a mark up for $5000 or more.

    If your credit score is 700 or above, you can get a good interest rate. You can always negotiate everything with your salesperson, his/her manager and the finance guy. The time to stop negotiating is when you sign the dotted line. From the time you get in the door until that time is when you should be haggling.

    And that's CAR BUSINESS 101.
     

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