Learning the wrong lesson. Gun Control.

[SavannahMann]

I could misapply the famous Ben Franklin quote here, but why? Let’s get to dealing with truth.

There were several reasons why the Second Amendment was passed. People tend to fixate on one, or another, of the reasons. But as I said above, we are dealing with truth. The Truth is that the Founders wanted to insure that this nation could never be invaded by a foreign power. They had just won a war where the Militia, that is to say the citizens who took up personal arms to fight the enemy, had played a major part. So yes, the idea that an armed population would be difficult to defeat was a part of the calculation.

But there is more. The Founders also knew that man was capable of a lot of things, good and bad. They knew that the Kings of Europe got power by subjugation of the population. An armed population would insure that the American Government would never be able to subjugate the citizens.

Yes, there is even more. The Founders also realized that there would be dangers in the frontiers, where threats to survival existed, in two legged, and four legged form.

I could type for a hour giving you all the various reasons that the Second Amendment was proposed, approved, and ratified. But here is another truth. None of those reasons matter to the anti gun people.

This is where your Patriotism comes into question. The desire to Support and Defend the Constitution, not just parts of it, but all of it. It is my almost certainly arrogant opinion that supposed Christians who attack someone claiming that God hates this, or that, from the Bible, are not truly Christian. They have to deal with the entire Bible, not just the portion they are quoting. They have to understand the message behind the Bible, and the lessons of God’s love, and His desires. They miss that message when they pick one small phrase out of a billion and run with it.

There was an episode of Major Dad that comes to mind. The High School of his oldest Step Daughter had established a Dress Code. The Daughter wrote an article for the School Newspaper critical of the policy. Major Dad went in to meet with the Teacher and discuss the article. The teacher asked several questions, and the Marine Major agreed that rules mattered, and it was incumbent upon people to obey the rules, and dress codes mattered. Then the Teacher said. “So I can see you agree that this article should not be published.” To this the Major said No Ma’am. He explained that somewhere in the school was a Civics Textbook, and in the book was the First Amendment, including Freedom of the press. He had sworn an oath to support and defend the constitution. All of it. Including the right of the press to write articles that were controversial.

That is my feelings towards the Constitution. I believe it all matters. Not just a bit here, or there. But every single line, and every single right. Even if the person using the right, or claiming it, is someone I disagree with. It does not matter. The individual, or the event, is not, and never can be, greater than the right for the future. No matter how horrific the act might be, the larger question, the Constitution, must endure.

So those who say they Love America, but hate the Second Amendment, and try to find ways to chip away at it, do not love this nation. Limiting rights is not the American way. It is not the purpose of the Constitution. It is not the reason the document has soul. It is our dedication to those rights that determines the future. Because Democracy is not what we have. Democracy is where a group votes to take from the individual. We have a Republic. That is where the rights of the Individual, matter more than the desires of the group. The right of the individual to denounce the Government they disapprove of, is sacrosanct. It is sacred. It must be defended by the majority, even if, especially if, they disagree with what the individual is saying.

The same is true of the Second Amendment. If you enjoy your rights, you must be willing to defend the rights of the people you disagree with. When I hear someone saying something that I disagree with, or is insulting. The first thing I think is Thank God for the First Amendment. When I hear that someone has bought a gun, I think Thank God for the Second Amendment. When a Judge throws out Evidence that is gotten illegally, and a criminal walks free. I think Thank God. Because those rights are being eroded far too fast now. And we need to push back, or none of us will have any rights at all. And that will be the death of America.

 

[Penelope]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

 

[Vastator]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

 

[Penelope]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

 

[Vastator]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

No matter the reality; how one chooses to face said reality is a choice. You can come out from under your desk, or stay cowering there. Your choice. Ain’t freedom grand..?

 

[Penelope]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

In addition, the speed in which the AR cycles its bolt as compared to the manual cycling of a bolt-action means more potential shots on target or multiple shots effortlessly carried out on multiple targets.

“A semi-auto changed my life,” Eric Mayer, who runs AR15hunter.com, told Time Magazine. “I’m able to make the (shot) because I don’t have to run the bolt (and) lose the target in my scope.”Why hunters are trading in traditional hunting rifles for the AR-15

 

[cnm]

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

The large, removable, magazine capability makes all the difference. You are disingenuous to ignore it. Worse than a brick. The AK/AR derivatives of military weapons have no place in a civilised society.

 

[22lcidw]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

Most of the kids dong that are in progressive socialist families or beliefs. Since we live in a latch key world with feminism having both parents or one parent needing to work this is part of the problem.

 

[cnm]

What the heck do you call it. Its not a hunting rifle. If it is you had best go practice target shooting. I get it , I use to love to fire the M16 on the firing range, esp at night. Yes the AK 15 with most use for mass shootings is an "assault rifle".

The penis deficient loons will play semantics all night long to avoid addressing the capabilities of the weapons in question.

 

[Penelope]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

Most of the kids dong that are in progressive socialist families or beliefs. Since we live in a latch key world with feminism having both parents or one parent needing to work this is part of the problem.

No the problem is mass shootings.

 

[Vastator]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

Most of the kids dong that are in progressive socialist families or beliefs. Since we live in a latch key world with feminism having both parents or one parent needing to work this is part of the problem.

You can count on less than one hand, the number of “school shooters” who came from two parent households.

 

[Vastator]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Fear is a choice. It is not incumbent upon others to assuage the fears of the fearful.

Oh you don't say, I remember the fear of a nuclear threat, we use to hide under desks, now the kids have a fear some gunman will attack them at their schools and kill them. Same thing, I don't think so, one is a drill , and one is a reality.

Most of the kids dong that are in progressive socialist families or beliefs. Since we live in a latch key world with feminism having both parents or one parent needing to work this is part of the problem.

No the problem is mass shootings.

Yes... Yes... It’s everyone else who must change their ways... Yes... Everyone else... Of course...

 

[cnm]

Bet the time of AR/AK derivatives that can take large magazines is shrinking fast here. I approve.

 

[SavannahMann]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

I see the the preface of truth skipped right past you.

The Biblical Reference was one showing not that people had a right to defend themselves, or arm themselves, but how people miss the big picture focusing on one small part. That this simple explanation was missed is not surprising. Honestly, it was put there as a landmine, knowing that any mention of anything religious would set off some people. You saw the mine, and jumped on it with both feet, unable to resist the temptation.

Let’s deal with truth. Assault with a deadly weapon. 9 Things You May Not Know About "Assault With A Deadly Weapon" | Penal Code 245(a)(1) PC

So it need not be a gun. It need not be a stick, knife, broken glass. Anything. It could be your bare hands or feet. The charge is dependent upon the violence, the ferocity of the attack, and the damage sustained, or that could be reasonably assumed to have been endured by the victim.

It is not merely a gun. A gun is a tool. If my thumb is smashed while holding a nail for a neighbor to hit, is it the fault of the hammer, or the person wielding it? If I am blinded by a man with a blowtorch, is it the fault of the torch, or the man holding the torch?

A firearm is a tool. An inanimate object that is incapable of choosing good or evil. It is without a doubt blameless in any action. Even if the weapon is manufactured in such a way that the faults cause a catastrophic failure, and injury. It is not the fault of the weapon in question. It is the fault of people, first, last, and always.

Let’s say that you are sweeping out a stable. A large firecracker lands at your feet with the fuse smoldering. You grab it and throw it out the window in the few seconds you have to react. The firework explodes, and harms a child. Is it your fault the child got hurt? Or is the the fault of the firework? Or is it the fault of the person who initiated the action? I would argue it is the fault of the person who lit the firework, and threw it at your feet. Your actions, getting the firework out of the stable, to avoid damage and injury inside, was reasonable. Even if I did not like you, I would argue it.

What is interesting is this. We don’t want to blame those who do the terrible deeds. We want to blame an inanimate object. These are the gun laws in New Zealand today.

Gun laws in New Zealand - Wikipedia

It is practically the list of things that people, like you, claim we must do to limit or at least reduce if not eliminate gun crime. Yet, it did not do any of what we are promised will happen if we sacrifice our rights.

Would you deal in something you care about to get rid of something you detest? Would you trade a Woman’s right to choose for the abolition of firearms? Would you trade Free Press for the chance to get rid of some News Organization you detest? You argue no, but your actions say you would sacrifice all of them, for your desired outcome. Damn the consequences.

People do not have a right to live without fear. Everyone is afraid of something. Men are afraid to commit, women are afraid to be hurt emotionally. People are afraid of flying. Does that mean we should abolish airplanes? Some nuts are afraid of Governent Mind Control experiments. Your fear is not my fault, nor my problem. Supposedly fear of different people motivated the moron in New Zealand. Is his fear any more or less valid than yours? Is it more or less reasonable than yours?

Your fear is your problem. When you act on them, then it becomes all our problems.

So what are you willing to give up to get rid of guns? Would you sacrifice a woman’s right to choose? Would that be a good deal? Or is limiting the right to choose a crime against humanity?

When you feel as passionately about all the rights, as you do one, then you will be worthy of the title American. Until then, you may use it, but you don’t deserve it.

 

[SavannahMann]

Bet the time of AR/AK derivatives that can take large magazines is shrinking fast here. I approve.

Good. You approve. Help me out. Which of these is an assault weapon that should be banned?

Tell me which of these are bad, or good, and acceptable, or unacceptable, your choice, and why.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Bet the time of AR/AK derivatives that can take large magazines is shrinking fast here. I approve.

Good. You approve. Help me out. Which of these is an assault weapon that should be banned?


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Tell me which of these are bad, or good, and acceptable, or unacceptable, your choice, and why.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The AR-15 is not a military weapon you loon its functionally no different than a semi-automatic .227 hunting rifle. Its like arguing with a brick with you people. You will not educate yourself on firearms and continuously make the same stupid ass comments.

The large, removable, magazine capability makes all the difference. You are disingenuous to ignore it. Worse than a brick. The AK/AR derivatives of military weapons have no place in a civilised society.

I've fired every thing from a .22 pistol to a heavy machine gun you people do not know what the fuck your talking about. You want to ban shit because of cosmetics.

 

[Blues Man]

So do you believe all people should have military weapons, like the AR 15. You talk about the Constitution, so people in schools and churches can be fearful of their life is Constitutional , and do you believe in freedom of the press as well.

There needs to be some changes to the constitution, you are talking 2.5 centuries here.

Keep the bible out of it, we have Separation of Church and State AKA the Age of Enlightenment.

Any Ar 15 a civilian can own is just a semiautomatic rifle just like any other semiautomatic rifle any civilian can own
How long will it take you people to learn that?