Leap in U.S. debt hits taxpayers with 12% more red ink

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    That's exactly what they intend to do KMAN
     
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    We will save money if we go to single payer and the only ones arguing are right wing idiots like you and the insurance companies who are benefitting from the status quo.

    America needs a single-payer national health care program. We ask the private insurance companies to step aside. They have failed to deliver care equitably. They have failed to control costs. They have failed to create the best health outcomes. The U.S. is 49th in life expectancy and 44th in infant mortality among 224 nations of the world. Yet, we spend more than twice as much on health care as the higher-ranked nations. Private insurance companies put profit ahead of our health. They extract 30 percent of every health-care dollar for profit, advertising, marketing, inflated CEO salaries, medical underwriting and administrative waste.

    A single-payer plan, such as that embodied in the House of Representatives bill HR 676, the U.S. Health Care Act, or in the Senate bill, S703, the American Health Security Act of 2009, would provide equitable, affordable, high quality, comprehensive care for every American. A single payer plan would: provide automatic coverage for life, regardless of job loss or job change; include preventive care, dental, vision, hearing, mental health and long-term care; assure choice of doctor and hospital; control costs by eliminating wasteful spending.

    The majority of Americans favor a single-payer health care program. The Massachusetts Nurses Association, the California Nurses Association, 59 percent of physicians, members of the American College of Physicians and the Physicians for a National Health Program all support the single-payer approach to health care.
     
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    The National Health Accounts indicate that administrative costs account for only 3% of total Medicare spending (vs. 14% in private insurers). But Zycher wants to add to this a proportional share of all government spending. That is, he claims that 14% of the President’s salary, the cost of Congress, the FBI, the federal courts etc, should be attributed to Medicare, since Medicare accounts for 14% of federal spending. Based on this, he estimates “true” Medicare administrative costs at 6% of total outlays, and concludes that potential savings on insurance overhead is only 8% of premiums, not 11%.

    Zycher’s argument assumes that expanding Medicare to cover all Americans would drive up the costs of all government agencies, Congress etc. — an absurd assumption. Would we really raise the president’s salary, or a senator’s pay as part of implementing a single payer system? In fact, there is no reason to posit increases in any such costs, and the Canadian experience suggests that Medicare’s overhead could actually be reduced to about 1% by simplifying hospital and physician payment.


    Single-Payer FAQ | Physicians for a National Health Program
     
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    You just don't get it... and never will... You don't steal from one group of people to give it to another...
     
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    How come we do it for education?
     
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    Also, if it's such a great idea why are people going to be forced into it??? Why isn't it voluntary?
     
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    It might be voluntary. And when it competes against your private insurers, it will win. That's why they are afraid of it.
     
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    Seriously.... You think the government is going to give us a choice???? Kind of like social security right.... You are so naive.

    By the way we shouldn't do it for education either...
     
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    No stupid. You can stay with the healthcare you have now and your company can continue to pay for it.

    They can't compete with other countries because every other country has socialized healthcare.

    Single payer will lower your rates too stupid. Ever hear of competition? The private insurers are in business to deny you healthcare. Every dollar they deny you in healthcare, is another dollar profit they make.

    It, and you, make no sense. But you will continue to argue for them.

    And right now the private insurers are lobbying hard and spending millions in Washington to keep the status quo. Oh yea, and that lobbying $ will end up being passed on to you, the consumer.
     

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