leading scholar....traditional Islam has a problem

RodISHI

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I doubt the men back in the days at the writing of the Koran could have fathomed what great leaps and bounds of modernization that society would make over the next thousand years. Why any modernized society would want to revert to this barbarized type of worshiping God is beyond me. Like every other religious nut they seem to think that other humans are supposed to submit to their will instead of seeking the Spirit of God's will in them.

In Interview, Top Indonesian Muslim Scholar Says Stop Pretending That Orthodox Islam and Violence Aren't Linked
Indonesia, the world’s biggest Muslim-majority country, has a constitution that recognizes other major religions, and practices a syncretic form of Islam that draws on not just the faith’s tenets but local spiritual and cultural traditions. As a result, the nation has long been a voice of, and for, moderation in the Islamic world.

Yet Indonesia is not without its radical elements. Though most are on the fringe, they can add up to a significant number given Indonesia’s 260-million population. In the early 2000s, the country was terrorized by Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), a homegrown extremist organization allied with al-Qaeda. JI’s deadliest attack was the 2002 Bali bombing that killed 202 people. While JI has been neutralized, ISIS has claimed responsibility for recent, smaller terrorist incidents in the country and has inspired some Indonesians to fight in Syria — Indonesians who could pose a threat when they return home. The country has also seen the rise of hate groups that preach intolerance and violence against local religious and ethnic minorities, which include Shia and Ahmadiya Muslims.

Among Indonesia’s most influential Islamic leaders is Yahya Cholil Staquf, 51,advocates a modern, moderate Islam. He is general secretary of the Nahdlatul Ulama, which, with about 50 million members, is the country’s biggest Muslim organization. Yahya. This interview, notable for Yahya’s candor, was first published on Aug. 19 in German in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. Here are excerpts translated from the original Bahasa Indonesia into English.
 
from article:
Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior … I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.
 
from article:
Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior … I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.
From what I have been reading there is a division over there between their religious factions. Some want to modernize and some don't.
 
Indonesia is a democracy and is quite modern in the urban areas.

Islam is perfect just the way it is, and doesn't require any social reform.

As for the Ahmadiya sect. They are a cult group and do not qualify as muslims. .... :cool:
 
from article:
Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior … I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.
From what I have been reading there is a division over there between their religious factions. Some want to modernize and some don't.

there is a whole province that still functions under the filth and stench of Islamic law. Islamic law has been barbaric since its inception-----it is not a matter of a simple being "behind the times".
 
from article:
Who and what are responsible?

Over the past 50 years, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have spent massively to promote their ultra-conservative version of Islam worldwide. After allowing this to go unchallenged for so many decades, the West must finally exert decisive pressure upon the Saudis to cease this behavior … I admire Western, especially European, politicians. Their thoughts are so wonderfully humanitarian. But we live in a time when you have to think and act realistically.
From what I have been reading there is a division over there between their religious factions. Some want to modernize and some don't.

there is a whole province that still functions under the filth and stench of Islamic law. Islamic law has been barbaric since its inception-----it is not a matter of a simple being "behind the times".
As long as humans believe that they have a right to dictate to other humans and take by force others into submission to believe in their way of thinking there will be wars and discontent among the nations and the people therein.
 

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