Leading GOP Candidate a Cult Member!

[JoeB131]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.

As a member of the church you are not "required" to do anything. In fact, a closer look at the doctrine of the church would show you that free agency is a cornerstone to the teachings of the church.

Members of the People's Temple probably thought they were "choosing" to drink the Koolaid.

Having said that , Romney's membership in the church is going to be an issue if he is nominated and the church is going to catch it during the campaign.

Recall that Romney got crosswise with Mike Huckabee over MH's comments about his religion during the 2008 primary.

The ONLY thing that Huckabee did was that he asked if Mormons thought Jesus and Satan were brothers, which apparently is what you jokers beleive. They wuz sharing bunk beds on Kolob and both asked to get sent down as the Messiah.

What made Huckabee so bad was just REMINDING the Crazy Baptists that Romney was a Mormon.

The more devastating things that Huckabee said about Romney had nothing to do with Mormonism. My personal favorites.

"I look like the guy you work with, he looks like the guy who lays you off."

"He's not Pro-choice, he's multiple choice!"

"He reached political maturity at age 60."

And when Romney ran against Ted Kennedy for the Mass Senate, the church's position on blacks and the priesthood became a key attack point of Kennedy's campaign (Romney facing a black president is going to be a very polarizing situation).

True. And Romney's dug himself in deeper by race baiting the immigration issue. But it's more than that. Mormonism is inherently racist in its scriptures, having been invented in a pretty racist time period. All the talk about how dark skin is a curse from God and stuff, that the Church is running away from today but it's still in there.

And then there is the church's position on gay marriage. Regardless of what Romney may or not may say, he will be tied to the church's pretty strong stand on marriage.

Mehhhh, not so much. Obama has taken the position that there shouldn't be gay marriage, but if the courts legalize it, (wink, wink) . I think gays will be mobilized against him, but that would be the case for any GOP candidate.

Where it hurts Romney is that it just shows another case of him saying whatever he thinks he has to get elected.

I don't look forward to all the myths that will fly, but if Romney is the best man for the job, then I guess it is just what will have to be dealt with.

If Romney is the answer, I don't want to think about what the question was.

Actually, even without his religion (which is the deal-killer for me personally), there's a whole lot of other reasons why Romney would be a horrible candidate.

He's stiff and wooden and doesn't connect to people.

He's lost 75% of the elections he's ever run in.

He's a guy who made his fortune putting working folks out of good-paying jobs, and leaving investors with bad paper.

He's a guy who thinks one of his four mansions isn't big enough while most people are struggling to just hold on to their modest homes.

He a guy who doesn't have any core beliefs, just says what his handlers say to beleive to get elected.

 

[California Girl]

^^^^ Breathtaking ignorance. People like JoeB131 make my skin crawl.

 

[The T]

Baptists mocking Mormons is like the face painted guy at the football game mocking the guy with the giant foam finger.

^^Glittering jewel of colossal ignorance ^^

 

[Listening]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.

As a member of the church you are not "required" to do anything. In fact, a closer look at the doctrine of the church would show you that free agency is a cornerstone to the teachings of the church.

Members of the People's Temple probably thought they were "choosing" to drink the Koolaid.

How the two are related, I am not comprehending.

I live it day to day.

There is nothing I am forced to do.

 

[Listening]

If Romney is the answer, I don't want to think about what the question was.

Actually, even without his religion (which is the deal-killer for me personally), there's a whole lot of other reasons why Romney would be a horrible candidate.

He's stiff and wooden and doesn't connect to people.

He's lost 75% of the elections he's ever run in.

He's a guy who made his fortune putting working folks out of good-paying jobs, and leaving investors with bad paper.

He's a guy who thinks one of his four mansions isn't big enough while most people are struggling to just hold on to their modest homes.

He a guy who doesn't have any core beliefs, just says what his handlers say to beleive to get elected.

And that is more relevant.

I am amazed at how excited people are within the church about Romney and Huntsman.

Utah is one of the most conservative states in the union. Most of that comes right out of it's LDS roots.

Neither Romney nor Huntsman are considered conservative and both have a lot of explaining to do when it comes to past and current positions.

 

[Valerie]

...



"America faces a new generation of challenges. Radical violent Islam seeks to destroy us. An emerging China endeavors to surpass our economic leadership. And we are troubled at home by government overspending, overuse of foreign oil, and the breakdown of the family.

"Over the last year, we have embarked on a national debate on how best to preserve American leadership. Today, I wish to address a topic which I believe is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty. I will also offer perspectives on how my own faith would inform my presidency, if I were elected.

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'

"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.

"Given our grand tradition of religious tolerance and liberty, some wonder whether there are any questions regarding an aspiring candidate's religion that are appropriate. I believe there are. And I will answer them today.

"Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president. Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin.

"As governor, I tried to do the right as best I knew it, serving the law and answering to the Constitution. I did not confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office and of the Constitution - and of course, I would not do so as president. I will put no doctrine of any church above the plain duties of the office and the sovereign authority of the law.

"As a young man, Lincoln described what he called America's 'political religion' - the commitment to defend the rule of law and the Constitution. When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office, that oath becomes my highest promise to God. If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

"There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

"Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they are right, so be it. But I think they underestimate the American people. Americans do not respect believers of convenience.

Americans tire of those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world.

"There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths. Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance. Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree.

"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes president he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.

"I believe that every faith I have encountered draws its adherents closer to God. And in every faith I have come to know, there are features I wish were in my own: I love the profound ceremony of the Catholic Mass, the approachability of God in the prayers of the Evangelicals, the tenderness of spirit among the Pentecostals, the confident independence of the Lutherans, the ancient traditions of the Jews, unchanged through the ages, and the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims. As I travel across the country and see our towns and cities, I am always moved by the many houses of worship with their steeples, all pointing to heaven, reminding us of the source of life's blessings.

"It is important to recognize that while differences in theology exist between the churches in America, we share a common creed of moral convictions. And where the affairs of our nation are concerned, it's usually a sound rule to focus on the latter - on the great moral principles that urge us all on a common course. Whether it was the cause of abolition, or civil rights, or the right to life itself, no movement of conscience can succeed in America that cannot speak to the convictions of religious people.

"We separate church and state affairs in this country, and for good reason. No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are wrong.

"The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation 'Under God' and in God, we do indeed trust.

"We should acknowledge the Creator as did the Founders - in ceremony and word. He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places. Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from 'the God who gave us liberty.'

"Nor would I separate us from our religious heritage. Perhaps the most important question to ask a person of faith who seeks a political office, is this: does he share these American values: the equality of human kind, the obligation to serve one another, and a steadfast commitment to liberty?

"They are not unique to any one denomination. They belong to the great moral inheritance we hold in common. They are the firm ground on which Americans of different faiths meet and stand as a nation, united.

"We believe that every single human being is a child of God - we are all part of the human family. The conviction of the inherent and inalienable worth of every life is still the most revolutionary political proposition ever advanced. John Adams put it that we are 'thrown into the world all equal and alike.'

"The consequence of our common humanity is our responsibility to one another, to our fellow Americans foremost, but also to every child of God. It is an obligation which is fulfilled by Americans every day, here and across the globe, without regard to creed or race or nationality.

"Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God, not an indulgence of government. No people in the history of the world have sacrificed as much for liberty. The lives of hundreds of thousands of America's sons and daughters were laid down during the last century to preserve freedom, for us and for freedom loving people throughout the world. America took nothing from that Century's terrible wars - no land from Germany or Japan or Korea; no treasure; no oath of fealty. America's resolve in the defense of liberty has been tested time and again. It has not been found wanting, nor must it ever be. America must never falter in holding high the banner of freedom.

"These American values, this great moral heritage, is shared and lived in my religion as it is in yours. I was taught in my home to honor God and love my neighbor. I saw my father march with Martin Luther King. I saw my parents provide compassionate care to others, in personal ways to people nearby, and in just as consequential ways in leading national volunteer movements. I am moved by the Lord's words: 'For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me...'

"My faith is grounded on these truths. You can witness them in Ann and my marriage and in our family. We are a long way from perfect and we have surely stumbled along the way, but our aspirations, our values, are the self-same as those from the other faiths that stand upon this common foundation. And these convictions will indeed inform my presidency.

"Today's generations of Americans have always known religious liberty. Perhaps we forget the long and arduous path our nation's forbearers took to achieve it. They came here from England to seek freedom of religion. But upon finding it for themselves, they at first denied it to others. Because of their diverse beliefs, Ann Hutchinson was exiled from Massachusetts Bay, a banished Roger Williams founded Rhode Island, and two centuries later, Brigham Young set out for the West. Americans were unable to accommodate their commitment to their own faith with an appreciation for the convictions of others to different faiths. In this, they were very much like those of the European nations they had left.

"It was in Philadelphia that our founding fathers defined a revolutionary vision of liberty, grounded on self evident truths about the equality of all, and the inalienable rights with which each is endowed by his Creator.

"We cherish these sacred rights, and secure them in our Constitutional order. Foremost do we protect religious liberty, not as a matter of policy but as a matter of right. There will be no established church, and we are guaranteed the free exercise of our religion.


cont...


Transcript: Mitt Romney's Faith Speech : NPR

^

 

[Seawytch]

We all know that the Constitution says:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

But that doesn't mean the social conservatives will vote for Romney. He IS, however, very likely to be the GOP nominee. What will those social conservatives do I wonder?

 

[California Girl]

...



"America faces a new generation of challenges. Radical violent Islam seeks to destroy us. An emerging China endeavors to surpass our economic leadership. And we are troubled at home by government overspending, overuse of foreign oil, and the breakdown of the family.

"Over the last year, we have embarked on a national debate on how best to preserve American leadership. Today, I wish to address a topic which I believe is fundamental to America's greatness: our religious liberty. I will also offer perspectives on how my own faith would inform my presidency, if I were elected.

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people.'

"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.

"Given our grand tradition of religious tolerance and liberty, some wonder whether there are any questions regarding an aspiring candidate's religion that are appropriate. I believe there are. And I will answer them today.

"Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president. Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin.

"As governor, I tried to do the right as best I knew it, serving the law and answering to the Constitution. I did not confuse the particular teachings of my church with the obligations of the office and of the Constitution - and of course, I would not do so as president. I will put no doctrine of any church above the plain duties of the office and the sovereign authority of the law.

"As a young man, Lincoln described what he called America's 'political religion' - the commitment to defend the rule of law and the Constitution. When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office, that oath becomes my highest promise to God. If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.

"There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

"Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they are right, so be it. But I think they underestimate the American people. Americans do not respect believers of convenience.

Americans tire of those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world.

"There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths. Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance. Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree.

"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes president he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.

"I believe that every faith I have encountered draws its adherents closer to God. And in every faith I have come to know, there are features I wish were in my own: I love the profound ceremony of the Catholic Mass, the approachability of God in the prayers of the Evangelicals, the tenderness of spirit among the Pentecostals, the confident independence of the Lutherans, the ancient traditions of the Jews, unchanged through the ages, and the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims. As I travel across the country and see our towns and cities, I am always moved by the many houses of worship with their steeples, all pointing to heaven, reminding us of the source of life's blessings.

"It is important to recognize that while differences in theology exist between the churches in America, we share a common creed of moral convictions. And where the affairs of our nation are concerned, it's usually a sound rule to focus on the latter - on the great moral principles that urge us all on a common course. Whether it was the cause of abolition, or civil rights, or the right to life itself, no movement of conscience can succeed in America that cannot speak to the convictions of religious people.

"We separate church and state affairs in this country, and for good reason. No religion should dictate to the state nor should the state interfere with the free practice of religion. But in recent years, the notion of the separation of church and state has been taken by some well beyond its original meaning. They seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God. Religion is seen as merely a private affair with no place in public life. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are wrong.

"The founders proscribed the establishment of a state religion, but they did not countenance the elimination of religion from the public square. We are a nation 'Under God' and in God, we do indeed trust.

"We should acknowledge the Creator as did the Founders - in ceremony and word. He should remain on our currency, in our pledge, in the teaching of our history, and during the holiday season, nativity scenes and menorahs should be welcome in our public places. Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from 'the God who gave us liberty.'

"Nor would I separate us from our religious heritage. Perhaps the most important question to ask a person of faith who seeks a political office, is this: does he share these American values: the equality of human kind, the obligation to serve one another, and a steadfast commitment to liberty?

"They are not unique to any one denomination. They belong to the great moral inheritance we hold in common. They are the firm ground on which Americans of different faiths meet and stand as a nation, united.

"We believe that every single human being is a child of God - we are all part of the human family. The conviction of the inherent and inalienable worth of every life is still the most revolutionary political proposition ever advanced. John Adams put it that we are 'thrown into the world all equal and alike.'

"The consequence of our common humanity is our responsibility to one another, to our fellow Americans foremost, but also to every child of God. It is an obligation which is fulfilled by Americans every day, here and across the globe, without regard to creed or race or nationality.

"Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God, not an indulgence of government. No people in the history of the world have sacrificed as much for liberty. The lives of hundreds of thousands of America's sons and daughters were laid down during the last century to preserve freedom, for us and for freedom loving people throughout the world. America took nothing from that Century's terrible wars - no land from Germany or Japan or Korea; no treasure; no oath of fealty. America's resolve in the defense of liberty has been tested time and again. It has not been found wanting, nor must it ever be. America must never falter in holding high the banner of freedom.

"These American values, this great moral heritage, is shared and lived in my religion as it is in yours. I was taught in my home to honor God and love my neighbor. I saw my father march with Martin Luther King. I saw my parents provide compassionate care to others, in personal ways to people nearby, and in just as consequential ways in leading national volunteer movements. I am moved by the Lord's words: 'For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me...'

"My faith is grounded on these truths. You can witness them in Ann and my marriage and in our family. We are a long way from perfect and we have surely stumbled along the way, but our aspirations, our values, are the self-same as those from the other faiths that stand upon this common foundation. And these convictions will indeed inform my presidency.

"Today's generations of Americans have always known religious liberty. Perhaps we forget the long and arduous path our nation's forbearers took to achieve it. They came here from England to seek freedom of religion. But upon finding it for themselves, they at first denied it to others. Because of their diverse beliefs, Ann Hutchinson was exiled from Massachusetts Bay, a banished Roger Williams founded Rhode Island, and two centuries later, Brigham Young set out for the West. Americans were unable to accommodate their commitment to their own faith with an appreciation for the convictions of others to different faiths. In this, they were very much like those of the European nations they had left.

"It was in Philadelphia that our founding fathers defined a revolutionary vision of liberty, grounded on self evident truths about the equality of all, and the inalienable rights with which each is endowed by his Creator.

"We cherish these sacred rights, and secure them in our Constitutional order. Foremost do we protect religious liberty, not as a matter of policy but as a matter of right. There will be no established church, and we are guaranteed the free exercise of our religion.


cont...


Transcript: Mitt Romney's Faith Speech : NPR

^

People said the same about Kennedy. A Catholic could never be President, he'd hand the country over to Rome, blah blah blah. Did he? No. No more would Romney. There are decisions of Romney's that I am not overly thrilled with, but his faith is not one of them. I would vote for Romney as President because - economically - he's smart. And (insert the deity of your choice) knows, we need that badly.

I will sacrifice my personal desire for a real strong conservative President in the best interests of the country. My personal conservative beliefs are mine - I have no right to force those beliefs on the country. Personally, I think that is where many of us go wrong, we confuse our own personal beliefs with the will of the nation.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Most religions say their way is the only way. Nothing new here, been that way for thousands of years.

By the way I bet their are one or two christian democrats somewhere in this world

I'm sure there are millions. Not sure why you think they'd be crazy for being both Christian and Dem though.
Unless that's for me, for specifying the GOP. In which case, you caught the fact that the pastor was at a GOP event, speaking about GOP candidates, right?
Also, I don't recall Dems using their religion as a platform or the other party candidates religion as a basis of attack. That is almost exclusively a GOP tactic.

No black churches just use the Pulpit to support their candidates. While Democrats whine if a religious figure supports a Republican.

If it's a Democrat candidate: it's called encouraging voter support and the stirring 'phobia' of rising from the ashes of oppression everywhere they see fit to find it. If it's a Republican candidate: it's called violating their tax exempt status.

 

[The T]

We all know that the Constitution says:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

But that doesn't mean the social conservatives will vote for Romney. He IS, however, very likely to be the GOP nominee. What will those social conservatives do I wonder?

What's even more shocking? Social Democrats probably won't vote for him either.

 

[Truthmatters]

John F Kennedy speech - I Believe in an America Where the Separation of Church and State is Absolute - Beliefnet.com

 

[Toro]

FTR Bain Capital under Romney hired many times more people than it fired.

 

[NYcarbineer]

People should keep the hocus pocus portions of their faith to themselves, if only to keep from making fools of themselves.

 

[California Girl]

People should keep the hocus pocus portions of their faith to themselves, if only to keep from making fools of themselves.

And others should keep their stupidity to themselves.... for the same reason.

Mirror?

 

[Truthmatters]

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe--a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of any one religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.


Read more: John F Kennedy speech - I Believe in an America Where the Separation of Church and State is Absolute - Beliefnet.com

 

[JoeB131]

^^^^ Breathtaking ignorance. People like JoeB131 make my skin crawl.

You notice when they can't actually refute what you've said, they attack you personally?

Hmmmm.

 

[JoeB131]

I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.

As a member of the church you are not "required" to do anything. In fact, a closer look at the doctrine of the church would show you that free agency is a cornerstone to the teachings of the church.

Members of the People's Temple probably thought they were "choosing" to drink the Koolaid.

How the two are related, I am not comprehending.

I live it day to day.

There is nothing I am forced to do.

So please list the things you think the prophet of your "church" is wrong on.

Most Catholics I know think the Pope is full of crap on a lot of issues.

 

[JoeB131]

FTR Bain Capital under Romney hired many times more people than it fired.

Actually, Bain just did what most of Wall Street does, suck off the hard work and labor of others.

I would suggest you read about his activities in AmPad. Or his activities with Damon Medical Testing.

And I would suggest you do so before the nomination fight, because you are going to hear a lot more about them after the nomination and Obama beats Romney over the head with them.

So, yeah, some of the companies he invested in during the 1990's were successful. The 1990's were a boom time, you had to work really hard to screw something up.

 

[Valerie]

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done: on earth as it is in heaven.



PROOF ^^ Christians intend to take over the world!

 

[JoeB131]

We all know that the Constitution says:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

But that doesn't mean the social conservatives will vote for Romney. He IS, however, very likely to be the GOP nominee. What will those social conservatives do I wonder?

I don't think Romney is going to be the nominee. Not with the Evagelicals coming out of the woodwork and saying "no way".

I also don't buy the "religious test" argument in Romney's favor. That doesn't apply to how I vote.

If Romney said he was a follower of the Feathered Serpent Quezacoatl and he'd sacrifice a virgin every day until the economy got better, we certainly wouldn't say something like, "Gee, that's his religion, we need to respect that."