Discussion in 'Law and Justice System' started by chanel, Apr 28, 2011.
How much is one's dignity worth? Obviously less than $19K, eh?
if he hit you with his car after leaving, you'd have sued the bar, too.
he's not suing for 'getting him drunk'. he's suing b/c i'm gong to guess they should have known he wasn't in any position to authorize that much in charges and allowing him to do so was like rolling a drunk. i think we'd all agree that would be victimizing someone if we took advantage of a weakened state.... even if self-inflicted.
that said, i think the guy is an idiot.
What Jillian said. They should have cut him off. They didn't because he was too stupid and drunk to know he was being rolled.
Unless they put a roofie in his drink, he's responsible in my opinion. People try to sue the casinos for the same thing.
He should consider this a lesson learned. The next time he wants a lap dance from a sleaze bag, he should just bring singles and leave his credit card at home.
Well at least he's getting some attention. Seems people that hang out at those places often need it. Even if it's negative attention.
well, dram shop acts are based on the fact that bars have a responsibility to not allow customers to get so drunk that they can't drive. so it stands to reason that they also have a responsibility not to victimize their customers. does this strip club engage in a pattern of activity where they get people drunker and drunker and have they buy more and more expensive things? certainly would be bad form if they do.
so, i'm wondering if it's because of the activity in which he was engaged that you think it's ok to victimize their customers or if you would feel the same way if your local nail salon got their customers drunk by giving out free drinks and then foisted all kinds of pricey services on them. you might feel the same, but based on your comment, maybe not??
don't get me wrong, i don't get the whole allure of the strip club thing, but it doesn't offend me either.
My parents owned a bar. When the patron got too drunk, Mom served them menudo and served them coffee and cut off the alchohol. I don't know about other states, but in california, any bartender that continues to ply a very drunk person is liable if that person hurts himself or others due to them acting in his behalf either by asking him to leave and calling a cab, or doing what my mom did.
That's the right thing to do Grace. And this guy hurt no one but his own damn bank account. BUT THIS IS A STRIP CLUB! As Jillian said, they may have broken the law. But if they didn't, doing the "right thing" isn't what these people do.
Slippery slope. How many drinks is too many? Esp. if someone is not driving. How much spending is too much? If a big shot comes in and orders 10 bottles of $500 champagne, should the bar give a breathalyzer test first?
This could have been a setup and if he prevails, what's to stop anyone from challenging a bill when they have "morning after regrets"?
If he passed out, that's a pretty good sign he is incompetent to make decisions. If he would have died from alcohol poisoning, they would be liable. In this case, they are liable (in my opinion) of scamming someone out of their money. Just like old people are scammed from their life saviings by some schmuck taking advantage of their feeble naiveness.
I have ZERO sympathy for the guy.
I've tended bar and uknowingly served people who were in BLACKOUT mode.
Had I known, had I had time to talk them, perhaps I'd have noticed and flagged them.
But if you tending bar in a busy place, you don't really have time to notice the BLACKOUT drunk who is NOT acting out.
Now with charges of $19,000, it seems pretty obvious to me that the managment would have noticed that the guy was a highly unusual patron.
But unless the guy was acting inappropriately?
WEll...their plausible deniability excuse is that they just thought he was a BIG SPENDER.
I have had clients buy the whole bar round and round. Each round (and remember this was like 1970 pricing) cost hundreds of dollars.
I couldn't deny the man his order just because I thought he was nuts.
Was he blacked out? Didn't seem to be.
But that is often the nature of people who are blacked out, folks.
They appear drunk, but conscious.
You can hold a short conversation (take their order) and beyond that, you don't have time to check to see if their coherent.
$19,000 is a lot of lap dances
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