Laura Bush Little"tramp"on the prarie"

[SmarterThanYou]

I agree Laura did not make any comments" purposefully" and "maliciously" however this does not excuse the same end result...anytime you feed the enemy, intended or not, the damage has the same end result...the enemy fights harder for their beliefs...this war is not WWII or Vietnam...we are fighting radicals who base their fight on the decadence of the west...therefore we must be vigilant to avoid pumping up their cause...with or without humor.....designed or out of jest has the same end result...anymore idealist logic to spew?

yeah, just one. The USA has not now, nor should we ever, bow down and conform or pretend to conform to the idealistic standards of another religion or society despite the imaginary fears that this will somehow incite the enemy into more combat or dishearten our own troops. The first lady cracking jokes at her husband and friends at a 'roast', an event obviously known to contain the aforementioned material should be taken lightly and laughed at along with everyone elses.

 

[archangel]

yeah, just one. The USA has not now, nor should we ever, bow down and conform or pretend to conform to the idealistic standards of another religion or society despite the imaginary fears that this will somehow incite the enemy into more combat or dishearten our own troops. The first lady cracking jokes at her husband and friends at a 'roast', an event obviously known to contain the aforementioned material should be taken lightly and laughed at along with everyone elses.

And I suppose the old adage "Loose lips sinks ships" does not apply in this war!Again the roast is not the issue...it's the national and international news coverage that compromised the war effort...no matter how you cut through the chase and try your best to put my opinion in the trash basket...well time will be the determinator of who was right or wrong in this issue...sorry I stand my ground no matter how unpopular I have become in this issue... :usa:

 

[manu1959]

all i can say is i like a leader that can laugh at himself and does'nt take themselves so seriously....

anyone who underestimates the bush crwod does so at their own peril

 

[SmarterThanYou]

And I suppose the old adage "Loose lips sinks ships" does not apply in this war!Again the roast is not the issue...it's the national and international news coverage that compromised the war effort...no matter how you cut through the chase and try your best to put my opinion in the trash basket...well time will be the determinator of who was right or wrong in this issue...sorry I stand my ground no matter how unpopular I have become in this issue... :usa:

what exactly did she say about, against, or in contradiction of the war effort, troops, or the united states in general? not a thing. you're making alot out of nothing.

 

[archangel]

what exactly did she say about, against, or in contradiction of the war effort, troops, or the united states in general? not a thing. you're making alot out of nothing.

Golly gee I haven't a clue...you are smarter than me you figure it out....hint "contradiction"

 

[Gem]

ArchAngel Wrote:

anytime you feed the enemy, intended or not, the damage has the same end result...the enemy fights harder for their beliefs...this war is not WWII or Vietnam...we are fighting radicals who base their fight on the decadence of the west...therefore we must be vigilant to avoid pumping up their cause

Arch,

For the sake of open dialogue, I'm really going to try to understand you, and curb my desire to flame your post as absolutely ridiculous not to mention downright un-American....I really, honestly feel that I MUST be misunderstanding you here...and truthfully want you to try to help me understand you.


Here is what I hear you saying:

Because we are fighting radical people who are looking for any example of Western decadence or lack or morality as yet another log tossed onto the bonfire of their rage...we, as a nation, should be trying to minimize any actions, behaviors, speeches, that they might be able to point to as depraved, decadent, immoral, etc.

Is that right? Because if it is...here is my problem with it...

This is the United States of America. We are a nation that was founded on the ideal of freedom...of speech, of religion, of expression.

What you seem to be saying is that you and I should, or at the very least, the First Lady...should FORGO those freedoms of speech and expression...on the offchance that a terrorist who was tuning into the White House Correspondant's Dinner was offended by her referring to "Desperate Housewives."

Don't you see how this goes against the entire notion of what we are fighting for presently?

 

[Yurt]

I agree Laura did not make any comments" purposefully" and "maliciously" however this does not excuse the same end result...anytime you feed the enemy, intended or not, the damage has the same end result...the enemy fights harder for their beliefs...this war is not WWII or Vietnam...we are fighting radicals who base their fight on the decadence of the west...therefore we must be vigilant to avoid pumping up their cause...with or without humor.....designed or out of jest has the same end result...anymore idealist logic to spew?

You know, you are not doing yourself any favors on this board by say things like:

"anymore idealist logic to spew? "

Anyways, to not get myself mired down in your petty insults I have but one thing to say:

Answer the Question!!!! Compare Mrs. Bush with tokyo rose and hanoi jane in a logical fashion, else admit you were wrong.

:spank3:

 

[Johnney]

And I suppose the old adage "Loose lips sinks ships" does not apply in this war!Again the roast is not the issue...it's the national and international news coverage that compromised the war effort...no matter how you cut through the chase and try your best to put my opinion in the trash basket...well time will be the determinator of who was right or wrong in this issue...sorry I stand my ground no matter how unpopular I have become in this issue... :usa:

just using the media against everyone. you notice what they did in DS1? showed one thing did another.

 

[pegwinn]

And I suppose the old adage "Loose lips sinks ships" does not apply in this war!Again the roast is not the issue...it's the national and international news coverage that compromised the war effort...no matter how you cut through the chase and try your best to put my opinion in the trash basket...well time will be the determinator of who was right or wrong in this issue...sorry I stand my ground no matter how unpopular I have become in this issue... :usa:

Hey Arch, It's me again. Loose lips is IRT giving out information that could compromise troops safety in an operational environment. Your anger should rightly focus on Jane, John, Geraldo et al. I still disagree with your assessment of Mrs. Bush. I don't believe that Bob Hope enraged the Nazi's. AS I mentioned before, the Raghead Terrorists just want to kill you and me. Your existence is all the excuse they need.

Personally I believe Michael Moore has done far more to encourage the enemy than the First Lady.

Since you asked, I am a retired Marine Master Sergeant and my Daughter is currently a US Marine as well. I can translate BOOOOM and POW on three continents unfortunitly.

 

[archangel]

ArchAngel Wrote:


Arch,

For the sake of open dialogue, I'm really going to try to understand you, and curb my desire to flame your post as absolutely ridiculous not to mention downright un-American....I really, honestly feel that I MUST be misunderstanding you here...and truthfully want you to try to help me understand you.


Here is what I hear you saying:

Because we are fighting radical people who are looking for any example of Western decadence or lack or morality as yet another log tossed onto the bonfire of their rage...we, as a nation, should be trying to minimize any actions, behaviors, speeches, that they might be able to point to as depraved, decadent, immoral, etc.

Is that right? Because if it is...here is my problem with it...

This is the United States of America. We are a nation that was founded on the ideal of freedom...of speech, of religion, of expression.

What you seem to be saying is that you and I should, or at the very least, the First Lady...should FORGO those freedoms of speech and expression...on the offchance that a terrorist who was tuning into the White House Correspondant's Dinner was offended by her referring to "Desperate Housewives."

Don't you see how this goes against the entire notion of what we are fighting for presently?

I based my analogy on my military service during a very unpopular war..and also my followup career in federal as well as local law enforcement...if you see this as unAmerican...then I suppose I am guilty as charged...Freedom of speech is not the issue here...the First lady expressed her feelings as did I...as did the rest of you in this forum..."Devils Advocate"ring a bell! I just took my experience and transferred it to this issue...somethings during a war are best left unsaid...I believe the comments were in poor taste considering the enemy we are fighting...also why do you always leave out the "milking a male horse" part when you cite the First Ladies comments?Who cares about desperate housewives except those who are desperate!enough said..

 

[archangel]

Hey Arch, It's me again. Loose lips is IRT giving out information that could compromise troops safety in an operational environment. Your anger should rightly focus on Jane, John, Geraldo et al. I still disagree with your assessment of Mrs. Bush. I don't believe that Bob Hope enraged the Nazi's. AS I mentioned before, the Raghead Terrorists just want to kill you and me. Your existence is all the excuse they need.

Personally I believe Michael Moore has done far more to encourage the enemy than the First Lady.

Since you asked, I am a retired Marine Master Sergeant and my Daughter is currently a US Marine as well. I can translate BOOOOM and POW on three continents unfortunitly.

Then again as I would say...hoo rah!I am not angry with the first lady...just very disappointed...and yes I am still angry at Hanoi Jane,Lt.Kerry,Al Franken,Michael Moore etc etc...Have a good one!

 

[Annie]

Then again as I would say...hoo rah!I am not angry with the first lady...just very disappointed...and yes I am still angry at Hanoi Jane,Lt.Kerry,Al Franken,Michael Moore etc etc...Have a good one!

Archangel. Thank you for your service. I'm a decrepit female, never served, wasn't really an option unless I was interested in nursing, wasn't. My dad did, WWII, Normandy, purple heart. As you have seen, many here have served and several regular posters currently are. At least one has children in the war effort. For the record, Smarter, though a bit uppity was a marine, you know what they say about THEM, so I'll change that to IS a marine.

You certainly have a right to your opinion, but so do the rest of us, isn't that the point?

 

[archangel]

You know, you are not doing yourself any favors on this board by say things like:



Anyways, to not get myself mired down in your petty insults I have but one thing to say:

Answer the Question!!!! Compare Mrs. Bush with tokyo rose and hanoi jane in a logical fashion, else admit you were wrong.

:spank3:

Yo-gurt...I answered your post several times..it is not my fault that you failed to grasp the concept...as the old saying goes "You can't handle the truth"Liberalism is a mental disorder" Please tell me how you find comments such as "Desperate housewives" acceptable behavoir..It is a stupid sitcom based on bored housewives who committ adultry...very funny..also how is it funny that the First lady tells how dumb her husband "the President" is on ranching..he can't tell the difference between a stallions penis and a cows tit...very funny..also how is it funny that the First Lady,Secretary of State,Second Lady,and two Supreme Court Justices enjoy sticking dollars down the jock straps of Chippendale boys while there tired hubbies cannot perform...geez she left out the Viagra pun..comparing this to Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane is not a stretch..it underminds the fabric of our society when we tell the world how just and God fearing we are then take light of unacceptable behavoir on the part of our highest elected officials...sure she was only joking...so said Hanoi Jane and Tokyo Rose...

And thank you for the negative it was repaid in kind..Freedom of speech only applies to you...in your dreams!

 

[Annie]

Yo-gurt...I answered your post several times..it is not my fault that you failed to grasp the concept...as the old saying goes "You can't handle the truth"Liberalism is a mental disorder" Please tell me how you find comments such as "Desperate housewives" acceptable behavoir..It is a stupid sitcom based on bored housewives who committ adultry...very funny..also how is it funny that the First lady tells how dumb her husband "the President" is on ranching..he can't tell the difference between a stallions penis and a cows tit...very funny..also how is it funny that the First Lady,Secretary of State,Second Lady,and two Supreme Court Justices enjoy sticking dollars down the jock straps of Chippendale boys while there tired hubbies cannot perform...geez she left out the Viagra pun..comparing this to Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane is not a stretch..it underminds the fabric of our society when we tell the world how just and God fearing we are then take light of unacceptable behavoir on the part of our highest elected officials...sure she was only joking...so said Hanoi Jane and Tokyo Rose...

And thank you for the negative it was repaid in kind..Freedom of speech only applies to you...in your dreams!

I wouldn't negative rep on a post that was well intentioned, whichever side the poster took it.

Seems to me Archangel, you have already said that you see the humor, your problem comes in the timing. At the same time, you are trying to equate Tokyo Rose and Laura, no comprende.

There is no positive rep to give here, which just sucks as I'm just dying to give 18 pts to someone. Where are you Joker???

 

[archangel]

I wouldn't negative rep on a post that was well intentioned, whichever side the poster took it.

Seems to me Archangel, you have already said that you see the humor, your problem comes in the timing. At the same time, you are trying to equate Tokyo Rose and Laura, no comprende.

There is no positive rep to give here, which just sucks as I'm just dying to give 18 pts to someone. Where are you Joker???

Thanks for the kind words..I was not aware that you were the point woman...no matter I was not looking for numerical points...just points alloted by our creator...Tokyo Rose equated to Laura...only in the mental realm not physical..answer your question? She was a confused soul looking for approval too!eh hem"Looking for love in all the wrong places"

 

[Annie]

Thanks for the kind words..I was not aware that you were the point woman...no matter I was not looking for numerical points...just points alloted by our creator...Tokyo Rose equated to Laura...only in the mental realm not physical..answer your question? She was a confused soul looking for approval too!eh hem"Looking for love in all the wrong places"

in one night being called the point woman and the voice of something else. Deep impression, obviously. Anywho. Archangel, you've already stated that you see the humor, your concern is the enemy will use this to justify bad actions? Tokyo Rose was actively working for the enemy, you've alread cleared Laura, though doubt she cares.

They, meaning the enemy, already have all they need or want-we will not submit to dhimmihood.
F that!

 

[Gem]

From Townhall.Com

Laura the Entertainer
Kathleen Parker (archive)


May 4, 2005 | Print | Send


WASHINGTON - First lady Laura Bush's show-stealing debut as a comedienne at Saturday night's annual White House Correspondents' Association dinner had the audience hooting with laughter.

I was right there with them, grateful for the humor and appreciative as ever for Mrs. Bush's humanizing effect on the presidency and our nation. But beyond the jokes, my personal mirth was closely tied to another punch line - the one nobody said but that I kept thinking as she delivered one-liners:

Good thing she ain't in Saudi Arabia.

Or the Taliban's Afghanistan. Or prewar Iraq. Or northern Nigeria today. Or any number of Islamic theocracies where women who disobey their husbands - or walk down the street uncovered or unaccompanied by a male family member - are flogged, beheaded or stoned to death, depending on the whims of the ruling fathers.

Laura Bush, who declared herself a "desperate housewife," who said she recently went to a Chippendales male striptease show, who made fun of her husband's early bedtime and compared her mother-in-law to Don Corleone, would not have lasted long among some of our friends and foes in foreign lands. Yet here, she was free to drop bunker busters on her husband's dinner plate to laughter and applause.

President George W. Bush was, of course, part of the staged interruption in which Mrs. Bush cut him off midway through a joke and commandeered the podium, but he didn't know what she was going to say. No one laughed harder than he when his wife described them as opposites: "I'm quiet, he's talkative; I'm introverted, he's extroverted; I can pronounce 'nuclear.' ."

Or when she described the Bush-family getaway in Kennebunkport, Maine, as like Crawford, Texas, but without the nightlife. "People ask me what it's like to be up there with the whole Bush clan. Let me put it this way: First prize - three-day vacation with the Bush family. Second prize - 10 days."

Or when she noted that Bush the Rancher was a relatively new incarnation given that his alma maters, Andover and Yale, weren't known for their strong ranching programs. "He's learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse."

Mrs. Bush also managed to poke fun at Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, (Bush adviser) Karen Hughes and Lynne Cheney, who she said accompanied her to a Chippendales performance, as well as the female Supreme Court justices. "I wouldn't even mention it except Ruth Ginsburg and Sandra Day O'Connor saw us there."

Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got a turn as well. Noting her husband's penchant for taking a chainsaw to any problem on the ranch, she said that's why "he and Cheney and Rumsfeld get along so well."

Not to be excessively grateful for small favors, or to overstate the privilege of free speech - which inarguably should be anyone's birthright regardless of race, gender, creed or beverage of choice. But it is a privilege unrealized in much of the world, especially for women, and one we daily take for granted. While we're sweating the small stuff, it is helpful to keep that in mind.

Americans have long enjoyed that tradition of poking fun at our leaders, in whom we require an ability to laugh at oneself. We consider self-deprecation a necessary virtue. In black tie by evening, we roast the people we've elevated either through votes or applause; in jeans and suits by day, we're back to rhetorical fencing that sometimes stops just short of a duel.

You can't beat that with a scimitar, nor can you translate it easily to those still mucking around in the 12th century. If we think it's tricky teaching recently freed peoples how to run a democratic election, try explaining how the president of the United States can laugh while his wife berates him publicly. It's simple if you've had a few centuries of European enlightenment and about 225 years midwifing democracy.

The ability to laugh at oneself ultimately is a sign of maturity, self-confidence, strength and humility. Men do that well in this country as in few others. Laura Bush's quips - even those that raised a few eyebrows - reflected well on her, as many have noted. But more to the point, they reflected well on the men we like to bash and the intact state of American manhood.

About those who would have preferred her beheaded, we reasonably might infer something else.

P.S. They also have an interesting article from Michelle Malkin, who I adore...she didn't like the First Lady's speech...that is a good read as well...even though I disagree with her.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

You are correct I am a seventees reject...grew up during "Happy Days" the sixtees...You are on...and I expect you will do the same! :funnyface

Of course I'll do the same, I'm the one that brought it up. You have my word as...a 90's reject, I suppose.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Oh, and you can take your poll numbers and shove them. Polls mean squat, unless they are in November.

SO why does Karl Rove pay so much attention to them? When will we have our next "terror alert" to boost Dubbyuh's sagging numbers...? When will the next war of aggression be launched to support Dubbyuh's failing presidency?

 

[manu1959]

SO why does Karl Rove pay so much attention to them? When will we have our next "terror alert" to boost Dubbyuh's sagging numbers...? When will the next war of aggression be launched to support Dubbyuh's failing presidency?

like we are going to tell you......you all are so damn smart voting for kerry and all you figure it out....sheeesh and they call us stupid