Late Stage Socialism: Venezuela Kidnaps Chevron Execs

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    I see no amount of evidence will stop you from believing what you want to believe. Proletariat is defined as "the working class." In America, that is about 100 million people. You cannot run a dictatorship governed by a group of 100 million. There is no social science person on the planet that would accept your definition.

    By your definition, America is a despotic dictatorship, not "of the proletariat" but "of the voting citizens."
     
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    That is not my definition and you are wrong yes a million can be a dictatorship.

    It is not my definition it is the derfinition given by your god karl marx
     
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    About "not my definition", it must be fun to be able to make up your own definitions - despite what the world may think!

    About "a million can be a dictatorship", no one calls this issue a dictatorship. The most you will get is "tyranny of the majority", which happens even in the US.

    Here is a quote from the article "Democracy in America, Then and Now, a Struggle Against Majority Tyranny."

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    During the War of 1812, an angry mob smashed the printing presses of a Baltimore newspaper that dared to come out against the war. When the mob surrounded the paper's editors, and the state militia refused to protect them, the journalists were taken to prison for their own protection. That night, the mob broke into the prison, killed one journalist and left the others for dead. When the mob leaders were brought before a jury, they were acquitted.

    Alexis de Tocqueville tells this chilling story in "Democracy in America," and warns that the greatest threat the United States faces is the tyranny of the majority, a phrase he is credited with coining. His account of his travels through America in the 1830's, which is often called the greatest book ever written about America, is both an appreciation of American democracy, and a cautionary tale about its fragility.



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    Wrong sensible intelligent people DO call a group a tyranny and dictatorship regardless of the size.

    It was marx who defined it as such and gave you the definition,.

    you were defeated and proven wrong from my first post and are now just grinding your gears and denying fact
     
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    Well, again, you are making up stuff so that you can continue to believe what you want to believe. I have already supplied quotes showing that Marx and Engels both supported democracy. Seriously, be it government by the proletariat or government by the working class, no one, but you, would call that a dictatorship.

    But more to demonstrate that you are making up a definition that will fit what you want to think. Over at Wikipedia you find this, "A Dictatorship is an authoritarian form of government, characterized by a single leader or group of leaders with either no party or a weak party, little mass mobilization, and limited political pluralism."

    Rule by the proletariat or the working class, would involve both "mass mobilization, and political pluralism!!!"

    Over at Merrian-Webster.com, you find this definition, "a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique!"

    Again, rule by the proletariat or the working class would not qualify because the proletariat could not be considered "a small clique."

    And over at Dictionary.com, you have this definition, "a country, government, or the form of government in which absolute power is exercised by a dictator." Notice dictator is singular!!!!!!!

    So face it, even though I know you cannot, Karl Marx did not want rule by the capitalist - that is, rule by the rich - which could be called a dictatorship, but is more often called an oligarchy. Karl Marx wanted rule by the working class, and, any way you cut it, rule by the working class is much closer to the definition of democracy than any other form of government currently seen on this planet.

    Oh wait, I forgot! You make up your own definitions. So you will dismiss all of the above definitions, and continue to think what you want to think.
     

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