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    In the moments before our beloved but highly politicized Supreme court rules it may be well to consider a few facts.

    Fact: US healthcare is the most expensive in the world, costing just about twice as much as the nearest competitor.

    Fact: Favorable outcomes are rated in the mid thirties compared to other nations. Our system being on par with third world nations.

    Fact: The first 15 to 35% of our health care premium buys no health care at all. That is the price extracted in administration costs............and profit.

    Fact: Overhead expenses for Medicare are roughly 3%.

    Fact: The US is the only nation in the world that allows its healthcare to be driven by profit.

    Fact: About 60% of all US bankruptcies come about due to medical costs.

    Fact: Half of all those experiencing such medical bankruptcies had health insurance.

    Fact At any given moment up to 20% of our population has no heath care at all.

    Fact: A "pre existing" condition may be anything you have been treated for(or even seen a doctor about) before you lost your company insurance.

    Fact: Insurance companies have entire departments staffed expressly for the purpose of denying or slowing up the payment of legitimate claims.

    Fact: The overwhelming majority of constitutional experts maintain that the "mandate" is constitutional.

    Fact: The original concept of the "mandate" originated with conservatives. (before they lost their collective minds)

    Now relax and enjoy the show. It will be easier for you in you now have company paid insurance. Enjoy that while you can it will surely not last.

    If you don't have such insurance, remember that come November.
     
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    Funny, the only "fact" here that has anything to do with the court is citing the "opinions" of people specifically NOT on th court. The rest is irrelevant.
     
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    I just fact-checked one of your "facts" at random, and it is bogus.

    Losing significant income due to an illness has exactly zero to do with health care cost.

    So why is it included in the study?

    To inflate the results, of course.
     
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    Wow, all of these "facts" and not one shred of proof to back even one "fact" up.

    I wonder why?

    Someone is believing the line that their fearmongering leaders are feeding them.

    Rick
     
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    Second random fact-check:



    That means if the AVERAGE administrative cost (which includes profits) is 12%, many insurers administrative cost must be LESS than 12%.

    You are O for 2 so far.
     
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    I need some dental work done due to negelect on my part. An implant cost $4,000, that is insane. A root canal and crown are $2500. I will happily pay a reasonable fee fore service but these dental cost are insame. If you go to the hosital they will bankrupt you with test beforfe the treatment even begins. Doctor cured people without cat scans but they are used not for evrything. My wife's ex doctor want to do a cat scan to look at her knee. She told him a horse has rolled on it 30 years ago and she is in her mid 60;s. I should have studied to become a doctor or attorney.
     
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    Right! I could give you a few dozen more but that would mean nothing to you.

    Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part II: Indefensible Administrative Costs) - NYTimes.com


    Health Care Statistics in the United States

    Zakaria: Private health insurance is not efficient – Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs
     
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    Two blogs and a Political Action Committee. What a surprise.

    Why does the PAC site that you linked to not link to even one of their "sources"?

    Do you believe every piece of unsourced information you read just because someone calls it a "fact?"

    Rick
     
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    Here are a few more:

    HEALTHCARE
    More Solid Proof That Obamacare Is Working - Forbes
    New Study: U.S. Ranks Last Among Other Industrialized Nations on Preventable Deaths - The Commonwealth Fund
    US Ranks Last Among Other Industrialized Nations On Preventable Deaths, Report Shows
    Mother Donates Kidney For Son, Loses Job | Video Cafe
    2012 Medicare Advantage premiums fall and projected enrollment rises
    Our Health Care System, Compared
    Poor Sick People: U.S. Offers Raw Deal for the Unhealthy - DailyFinance
    CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action
    AP Poll: Repeal? Many Wish Health Reform Went Further
    Repeal? Most Americans think health reform did not go far enough, poll finds | The Raw Story
    How Americans Really Feel About Healthcare Reform | Mother Jones
    New Poll Shows How Americans Really Feel About Health Care Reform « Clearly New Mexico
    Charts of the Day: Kaiser's Fascinating Obamacare Data | Mother Jones
    Health Care Statistics in the United States
    Boston Review — Donald A. Barr: Inequality and Health in America (Occupy movement)
    Let's Go | United States
    For Profit Health Insurance Companies in the United States
    US Politics | AMERICAblog News: Health insurance industry enjoying record profits
    Fortune 500 2009: Industry: Health Care: Insurance and Managed Care
    U.S. healthcare performance score declines | Healthcare IT News
    Health Reform Hits Main Street - Kaiser Health Reform
    U.S. scores dead last again in healthcare study | Reuters
    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...1400_Davis_Mirror_Mirror_on_the_wall_2010.pdf
    Comparing U.S. Healthcare Spending with Other OECD Countries - Seeking Alpha
    Medical Errors - A leading cause of Death
    Death by Medical Error: Top 10 Cause of Death in the US - Pittsburgh Medical Malpractice Blog
    Medical Error Statistics
    Medical Errors Cause of 200,000 Hospital Deaths Each Year : Kevin Trudeau Show
    Medical Errors Costing U.S. Billions
    Ann Romney Wouldn't Find Free-Market Health Care Without Mitt Romney's Millions
    Mass-Care » Overhead Costs of Health Care
    For Second Year In A Row, MA Health Insurance Premiums Go Down | Crooks and Liars
    New health care provisions take effect today
    News Headlines
    Overturning Obamacare 'would be a game changer' for Supreme Court | MinnPost
    2012 - Salon.com
    Constitutional Experts: Mandate Should Be Upheld, But Likely Won’t Be | TPMDC
    Medical bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: resu... [Am J Med. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
    FactCheck.org : Archives
    Why an MRI costs $1,080 in America and $280 in France - The Washington Post
    Comparing health care costs in US and 8 other countries - Health News Review
    U.S. health care spending ?dwarfs? that of other countries - Kathryn Smith - POLITICO.com
     
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    So, I'm just supposed to ignore the fact that after you were asked to post links to prove your OP you posted three links, two of which were opinion pieces posted as blogs and the third was a PAC that conveniently posted links to ZERO studies that it sourced?

    Yes, I looked at your first attempt to link to a credible source for your information, and I found the site where you reposted your information from (which by the way is against board rules without a link.) And that site posted that list with no links to their sources, so why should I trust you enough after that to read the next batch of links you post?

    Especially after another poster has already picked two random points from your OP and disproved them.

    Rick
     

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