Largest government defeat since the war (apparently)

[Tommy Tainant]

3rd defeat for Treason May.
Brexit day not happened.
Fingers crossed.

 

[Olde Europe]

She is getting there slowly. If only these MPs had enough faith in the voters to give them a second chance.

I don't see how she's "getting there"; I'd be surprised if the House would so much as consider her deal once more, let alone vote on it.

Turns out, I was wrong. Again. They did vote on that May deal a third time. After a 230 margin, and a 149 margin, that would be a 58 vote margin of defeat. And that woman isn't done yet. She, one might say, is getting there, slowly.

So, the next vote-o-rama would happen next Monday. April 1st, no less. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Olde Europe]

3rd defeat for Treason May.
Brexit day not happened.
Fingers crossed.

Wow. Your language is getting a bit out of hand, it would appear.

 

[Olde Europe]

3rd defeat for Treason May.
Brexit day not happened.
Fingers crossed.

So, the fine folks in the House of Commons moved, again, to make me look like an idiot. Despite some hefty and not entirely unintelligent debate, they, again, voted down everything put before them. That finest hour Parliament I thought might lie ahead, it won't and won't arrive. Namely:

MPs voted on the four options, whittled down from the eight potential alternatives to the prime minister’s much-defeated plan, none of which secured a majority a week ago.

They were:

* A “permanent and comprehensive” customs union, put forward by Ken Clarke, the former Conservative chancellor with Labour support – defeated by 276-273 votes

* “Common market 2.0”, a cross-party bid to keep the UK in the single market and a “customs arrangement”, with support from both Labour and the Scottish Nationalists – defeated by 282-261.

* A confirmatory public vote, requiring a Final Say referendum on any Brexit deal before its ratification – defeated by 292-280.

* Parliamentary supremacy, put forward by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry and calling for Article 50 to be revoked if a crash-out Brexit looms and a no-deal has been rejected – defeated by 292-191.​

They do know that crashing out is the near-inevitable consequence of not agreeing on anything?

Whatever, even if they opted for one of the softer Brexit versions, May's red lines would be crossed. She's not likely to go along, since it would split her party. Were she to extend / revoke Article 50 to avoid crashing out, it would likely split her party. Were she to let things run their course, Commons unable to agree on any one deal, and the UK would be crashing out, it would likely split her party.

Darn.

 

[Mindful]

This morning junior Welsh minister Nigel Adams quit in disgust saying the PM had made a 'grave error' by 'legitimising and turning to' Jeremy Corbyn, telling her in his resignation letter: 'It now seems that you have decided a deal - cooked up by a Marxist who has never put British interests first - is better than No Deal'.

Daily Mail.

 

[Mindful]

3rd defeat for Treason May.
Brexit day not happened.
Fingers crossed.

So, the fine folks in the House of Commons moved, again, to make me look like an idiot. Despite some hefty and not entirely unintelligent debate, they, again, voted down everything put before them. That finest hour Parliament I thought might lie ahead, it won't and won't arrive. Namely:

MPs voted on the four options, whittled down from the eight potential alternatives to the prime minister’s much-defeated plan, none of which secured a majority a week ago.

They were:

* A “permanent and comprehensive” customs union, put forward by Ken Clarke, the former Conservative chancellor with Labour support – defeated by 276-273 votes

* “Common market 2.0”, a cross-party bid to keep the UK in the single market and a “customs arrangement”, with support from both Labour and the Scottish Nationalists – defeated by 282-261.

* A confirmatory public vote, requiring a Final Say referendum on any Brexit deal before its ratification – defeated by 292-280.

* Parliamentary supremacy, put forward by the SNP’s Joanna Cherry and calling for Article 50 to be revoked if a crash-out Brexit looms and a no-deal has been rejected – defeated by 292-191.​

They do know that crashing out is the near-inevitable consequence of not agreeing on anything?

Whatever, even if they opted for one of the softer Brexit versions, May's red lines would be crossed. She's not likely to go along, since it would split her party. Were she to extend / revoke Article 50 to avoid crashing out, it would likely split her party. Were she to let things run their course, Commons unable to agree on any one deal, and the UK would be crashing out, it would likely split her party.

Darn.

You Germans could start by playing fair.

 

[Marion Morrison]

^ 'Friends across the Channel'
The letter concluded: "Britain has become part of who we are as Europeans and therefore we would miss Britain.

"We would miss the legendary British black humour and going to the pub after work hours to drink an ale. We would miss tea with milk and driving on the left-hand side of the road. And we would miss seeing the panto at Christmas.

"But more than anything else, we would miss the British people - our friends across the Channel.

"Therefore Britons should know, from the bottom of our hearts, we want them to stay."

And then there's the money they'd miss as well.

 

[Marion Morrison]

The EU is nothing but a UN-concocted step to globalization and a singular world government.

 

[Mindful]

^ 'Friends across the Channel'
The letter concluded: "Britain has become part of who we are as Europeans and therefore we would miss Britain.

"We would miss the legendary British black humour and going to the pub after work hours to drink an ale. We would miss tea with milk and driving on the left-hand side of the road. And we would miss seeing the panto at Christmas.

"But more than anything else, we would miss the British people - our friends across the Channel.

"Therefore Britons should know, from the bottom of our hearts, we want them to stay."

And then there's the money they'd miss as well.

Oh yes!

There are only three big economies running this shit show. Germany, France, Great Britain.

The rest are just client states. We wouldn't notice if any of them left.

 

[Mindful]

Marion:

FYI.

Mazzini created the Young Europe movement. The term "United States of Europe" (French: États-Unis d'Europe) was used by Victor Hugo, including during a speech at the International Peace Congress held in Paris in 1849. ... The French National Assembly also called for a United States of Europe on 1 March 1871.

Wiki.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

 

[gtopa1]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

 

[Mindful]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

Brexit means Brexit.

Theresa May.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

And ?

Are you saying that parliament should not try and mitigate the disaster ?

 

[Mindful]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

And ?

Are you saying that parliament should not try and mitigate the disaster ?

What Parliament?

Is there one?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

And ?

Are you saying that parliament should not try and mitigate the disaster ?

What Parliament?

Is there one?

You may not like the outcomes but it is good to see parliament flexing its muscles. They will write books about this.

 

[Mindful]

MPs back Brexit delay bill by one vote
MPs have voted by a majority of one to force the prime minister to ask for an extension to the Brexit process, in a bid to avoid any no-deal scenario.

Labour's Yvette Cooper led the move, which the Commons passed in one day.

The bill is due to be considered by the Lords later and will need its approval to become law, but it is the EU which decides whether to grant an extension.

Welcome news. The clock needs to be stopped on this madness.

But Brexit means leave!!

Greg

And ?

Are you saying that parliament should not try and mitigate the disaster ?

What Parliament?

Is there one?

You may not like the outcomes but it is good to see parliament flexing its muscles. They will write books about this.

You refuse to see other opinions.

 

[Olde Europe]

Meanwhile.in the province.........................
Police in Northern Ireland 'as prepared as possible' for potential Brexit threat

Police have received an extra £16m in funding to prepare for Brexit and will begin recruiting an extra 308 officers soon.

Police in Northern Ireland say they are "as prepared as it is possible to be" for Brexit, given the threat of terrorists and criminals seeking to exploit the border.

Deputy Chief Constable Stephen Martin told a policing board seminar in Belfast that the "unique situation" of the land border on the island had "focused minds".

That's gut-wrenching.

Of course, if the Commons won't resolve to stay in the customs union, the Republic of Ireland will be forced to erect the necessary facilities to check goods traveling over the border, and extract customs. These facilities may well be blown up in short order, as the Irish will not suffer being separated, again. That's when police recruiting will start in earnest.

What a mess.

On another note, there's a bit of reason kicking in, at least on the continent:

The European Parliament has voted to confirm UK citizens will continue to benefit from visa-free travel to member states after a no-deal Brexit.

MEPs voted 502 votes to 81 in favour of the concession – provided EU nationals enjoy the same conditions when travelling to the UK.​

Let's just hope the Britons reciprocate.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Made me chuckle.