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For some of us, the safety of the mother is largely immaterial. In my mind the eradication of abortion (with minimal exceptions) is about forcing people to deal with the consequences of bad/poor decisions as much as anything else. Making the alternative to carry th the baby to term more dangerous works just fine for me.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
What about the millions who never put themselves in that position? Pregnancy is 100% preventable.
Yes it is. Does it matter?
Does it matter if this fetus becomes a fully grown human being or not?
If you're religious you might say yes. You're thinking in terms of souls.
If you're more practical then you're thinking in terms of what is sustainable for the planet. We have too many people already, so if a woman chooses not to get pregnant, then it's okay.
500 years ago the issues were different.
Of course we don't have too many people for the planet. The birthrate in the civilized world is dropping like a stone helped along by male infertility. What we have too many of is savages. How do we reduce the number of savages and keep them in their shithole countries. Then we can make parks where the barrios and slums used to be.
China just got rid of the one child policy. Even with the one child policy their birthrate was increasing.
List of countries by population growth rate - Wikipedia
According to this, 28 countries have negative population growth. (UN figures)
These include Andorra, population 77,000,
Lithuania pop. 2.8 million
Georgia
Latvia
St. Helena (Not even a country, some Islands in the middle of nowhere)
The biggest two are Spain and Japan. Spain, like Andorra, like other countries on this list, are there because the people are leaving the country because of the bad economy.
The US has a population growth of 0.75
India 1.26
China 0.52 (and rising because of the two child policy).
There you have the three most populated countries in the world all increasing, while Andorra is the weight on the other side.
The World has an increase of 1.18 a year.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
If you don't want an abortion then don't have one. What other people decide is not your concern.
If you don't want an abortion then don't have one. What other people decide is not your concern.
Yeah just ignore the slaughter of innocents....no thank you.
What a stupid comment
I am a liberal, and, yes, I want to see abortion remain legal…
If you're more practical then you're thinking in terms of what is sustainable for the planet. We have too many people already, so if a woman chooses not to get pregnant, then it's okay.
500 years ago the issues were different.
If one believes abortion is wrong and wishes to see the practice end, pursue a solution that doesn’t place women at risk, and conforms with the Constitution and a woman’s right to privacy.
For some of us, the safety of the mother is largely immaterial. In my mind the eradication of abortion (with minimal exceptions) is about forcing people to deal with the consequences of bad/poor decisions as much as anything else. Making the alternative to carry th the baby to term more dangerous works just fine for me.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
I may check out what you posted in # 58, maybe not, if you don’t understand my post in context to the post I replied to, then fuckoff.Thank you for that brilliant , sensitive and thoughtful response to a difficult topic. It's interesting to see how you anti abortion people can always navigate the issue with aplomb and intellect to get to the core of the issue. Perhaps you would like to tackle the questions that I posed in # 58 above in order to further convince us of what a great, pro life humanitarian you really are.If you don’t want to murder your children then don’t. What other people do is not your concern.If you don't want an abortion then don't have one. What other people decide is not your concern.
We are no where NEAR peak capacity on this planet.If one believes abortion is wrong and wishes to see the practice end, pursue a solution that doesn’t place women at risk, and conforms with the Constitution and a woman’s right to privacy.
For some of us, the safety of the mother is largely immaterial. In my mind the eradication of abortion (with minimal exceptions) is about forcing people to deal with the consequences of bad/poor decisions as much as anything else. Making the alternative to carry th the baby to term more dangerous works just fine for me.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
What about the millions who never put themselves in that position? Pregnancy is 100% preventable.
Yes it is. Does it matter?
Does it matter if this fetus becomes a fully grown human being or not?
If you're religious you might say yes. You're thinking in terms of souls.
If you're more practical then you're thinking in terms of what is sustainable for the planet. We have too many people already, so if a woman chooses not to get pregnant, then it's okay.
500 years ago the issues were different.
Killing innocents is a good thing as far as libs are concerned, but execute a convicted murderer and they get hysterical. There's just something wrong with them.It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
It takes a rather extreme degree of sociopathy to use “overpopulation” in this manner as an excuse for the murders of very large numbers of innocents.
But if it is a reason for killing such large numbers of people, surely it would be much better to kill people who have already proven themselves to be a net detriment to society—criminals, the handicapped, the chronically unemployed and indigent, drug addicts, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, and so on—than to kill innocent children who have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate what benefits or detriments they will bring to society.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
What about the millions who never put themselves in that position? Pregnancy is 100% preventable.
Yes it is. Does it matter?
Does it matter if this fetus becomes a fully grown human being or not?
If you're religious you might say yes. You're thinking in terms of souls.
If you're more practical then you're thinking in terms of what is sustainable for the planet. We have too many people already, so if a woman chooses not to get pregnant, then it's okay.
500 years ago the issues were different.
Of course we don't have too many people for the planet. The birthrate in the civilized world is dropping like a stone helped along by male infertility. What we have too many of is savages. How do we reduce the number of savages and keep them in their shithole countries. Then we can make parks where the barrios and slums used to be.
China just got rid of the one child policy. Even with the one child policy their birthrate was increasing.
List of countries by population growth rate - Wikipedia
According to this, 28 countries have negative population growth. (UN figures)
These include Andorra, population 77,000,
Lithuania pop. 2.8 million
Georgia
Latvia
St. Helena (Not even a country, some Islands in the middle of nowhere)
The biggest two are Spain and Japan. Spain, like Andorra, like other countries on this list, are there because the people are leaving the country because of the bad economy.
The US has a population growth of 0.75
India 1.26
China 0.52 (and rising because of the two child policy).
There you have the three most populated countries in the world all increasing, while Andorra is the weight on the other side.
The World has an increase of 1.18 a year.
Yes indeed
Warning Bell for Developed Countries: Declining Birth Rates
I do support abortion - for liberals. Liberal women should all have abortions and conservative women get restraining orders to keep liberals away from their large families.
If one believes abortion is wrong and wishes to see the practice end, pursue a solution that doesn’t place women at risk, and conforms with the Constitution and a woman’s right to privacy.
For some of us, the safety of the mother is largely immaterial. In my mind the eradication of abortion (with minimal exceptions) is about forcing people to deal with the consequences of bad/poor decisions as much as anything else. Making the alternative to carry th the baby to term more dangerous works just fine for me.
It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
If you want to decrease the population you know where to start.
Killing innocents is a good thing as far as libs are concerned, but execute a convicted murderer and they get hysterical. There's just something wrong with them.It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
It takes a rather extreme degree of sociopathy to use “overpopulation” in this manner as an excuse for the murders of very large numbers of innocents.
But if it is a reason for killing such large numbers of people, surely it would be much better to kill people who have already proven themselves to be a net detriment to society—criminals, the handicapped, the chronically unemployed and indigent, drug addicts, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, and so on—than to kill innocent children who have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate what benefits or detriments they will bring to society.
Innocent beans, innocent potato’s, innocent wheat. Let’s face it, living for us means consuming other living things...or things that were once alive. But that’s not the same as killing our own kind. We aren’t carnivals......I hope.Killing innocents is a good thing as far as libs are concerned, but execute a convicted murderer and they get hysterical. There's just something wrong with them.It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
It takes a rather extreme degree of sociopathy to use “overpopulation” in this manner as an excuse for the murders of very large numbers of innocents.
But if it is a reason for killing such large numbers of people, surely it would be much better to kill people who have already proven themselves to be a net detriment to society—criminals, the handicapped, the chronically unemployed and indigent, drug addicts, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, and so on—than to kill innocent children who have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate what benefits or detriments they will bring to society.
Innocent chickens? Innocent pigs? Innocent cows?
How many innocents have you eaten this week?
You claim to give a fuck about life, and yet, I doubt you do.
It's not safe for the baby. Your experts are wrong.‘Abortions in the United States are safe and have few complications, according to a landmark new study by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.
[…]
But the report did find that state laws and regulations can interfere with safe abortions.
"Abortion-specific regulations in many states create barriers to safe and effective care," the report says.
[…]
The National Academies report says waiting periods and requirements for unnecessary tests can result in long delays because women may have to travel to get care and have trouble getting appointments.
"Delays put the patient at greater risk of an adverse event," the report says.’
Landmark Report Concludes Abortion In U.S. Is Safe
Reckless, irresponsible, unwarranted measures enacted by Republican lawmakers who, for whatever intent or reason, place the health and safety of women at risk.
If one believes abortion is wrong and wishes to see the practice end, pursue a solution that doesn’t place women at risk, and conforms with the Constitution and a woman’s right to privacy.
Abortions need to be unsafe for the mother. Maybe we'd see fewer of them.p. To that end, I would like to see the government change the law so that ANYONE could perform abortions without having to be a certified Doctor. Anyone. If you wan to earn a living, hang up a sign that you can perform abortions and remove medical liability from them, so they can't be sued.No one ever claimed abortion preformed by a doctor was not safe for the woman. what we have complained about is the MURDER of babies.
ABSTRACT: Studies from many nations suggest that induced abortion (IA) may be a causal risk factor for the development of breast cancer. Researchers agree that IA contributes to the increased risk of breast cancer by delaying the timing of a full-term pregnancy which is a protective factor. Increasing numbers of studies now show that IA prior to 32 weeks in and of itself is a risk factor for breast cancer due to the physiology of breast development and the manner in which abortion interferes with the maturation of the breast cells. Although largely ignored by the mainstream medical community, this risk information deserves a prominent place in the education of all adolescent women who may, in the future, consider an IA.
A PDF of this statement is available at this link: Abortion and the Risk of Breast Cancer.
Resources
The state of Texas produces this book, A Woman’s Right to Know Information Material.
References
[1] Boonstra HD, et al. Abortion in Women’s Lives. New York, NY: Guttmacher Institute. 2006.
[2] Breast Cancer Prevention Institute Fact Sheet. Breast Cancer Prevention Institute. http://www.bcpinstitute.org/epidemiology_studies_bcpi.htm. Accessed on September 30, 2013.
Abortion and the Risk of Breast Cancer: Information for the Adolescent Woman and Her Parents
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This booklet contains material that is counter to the findings of the the AMA, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynocology, and other national medical associations. The state of Texas also went to the U.S. Supreme Court contending that abortion procedures were unsafe and required precautions over and above those required even for colonoscopies, which are rated much higher as posing safety risks. The national medical associations filed briefs in the case denying the assertions made by the state. Texas bombed because it could not support its assertions. Now we have similar findings by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. After this, it seems like the Texans responsible for this nonsense are not honest people.
Epidemiological studies support the role of abortion in this increased incidence of breast cancer. Romania, for instance had one of Europe’s lowest rates of breast cancer during the time that abortion was illegal under Ceausescu, whose communist rule ended in 1989. Since the legalization of abortion in Romania in 1989, the numbers of abortions increased over 400 percent and the breast cancer incidence doubled in 18 years from 25 cases per 100,000 women in 1988 to 51 cases per 100,000 women in 2006.[13] The enforcement of the one-child policy in China, which includes forced abortions, has led to an increased incidence of breast cancer rates in that country, with the incidence increasing 31 percent since 1983.[14,15]
Innocent beans, innocent potato’s, innocent wheat. Let’s face it, living for us means consuming other living things...or things that were once alive. But that’s not the same as killing our own kind. We aren’t carnivals......I hope.Killing innocents is a good thing as far as libs are concerned, but execute a convicted murderer and they get hysterical. There's just something wrong with them.It's forcing problems on society for no reason other than a 16th Century mentality of "shit, we're human and fragile and we might die out if we allow abortion".
7 billion people on this planet now. We don't need to be worrying about dying out from deadly diseases. We need to worry about dying out for ridiculous human actions now.
Too many people is our issue, not too few.
It takes a rather extreme degree of sociopathy to use “overpopulation” in this manner as an excuse for the murders of very large numbers of innocents.
But if it is a reason for killing such large numbers of people, surely it would be much better to kill people who have already proven themselves to be a net detriment to society—criminals, the handicapped, the chronically unemployed and indigent, drug addicts, homosexuals and other sexual deviants, and so on—than to kill innocent children who have not yet had the opportunity to demonstrate what benefits or detriments they will bring to society.
Innocent chickens? Innocent pigs? Innocent cows?
How many innocents have you eaten this week?
You claim to give a fuck about life, and yet, I doubt you do.
Remember the text sent from Peter Strzok who was strzoking lisa page with his Peter said about Right to Life People.When I was grad school, i had a female classmate that would go batshit crazy if the topic of abortion came up. And if the topic came up, she would usually be the one that brought it up. For example, she spoke of a religious group on campus that made a display on the ground with crosses to represent the millions aborted. She bragged about stomping and kicking over the crosses in the display. She would become agitated to the point of tears if anyone tried to discuss the prolife side of the issue with her.
I highly suspect that my classmate was very personally invested in abortion; in other words she had one, to be so emotionally invested with the topic. I suspect that she didn’t take kindly to the belief that abortion is the killing of a baby, yet I also beleive that she probably felt guilty for having the abortion and was trying to suppress that guilt.
I was a closed case adoption.I saw a program on one of the cable channels...it was about a people who have a business where they find family members that have been separated.....sometimes through adoption... and other tragedies...
In one episode, a woman had them find her biological mother...who had given her up for adoption.....the mother was a victim of rape, and instead of aborting the baby, she gave her up for adoption....20 years later, they found each other and now have a life knowing each other....
That doesn't happen when the mother kills the baby....
