Labor is Prior to and Independent of Capital

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    Read more: State of the Union Address: Abraham Lincoln (December 3, 1861) — Infoplease.com State of the Union Address: Abraham Lincoln (December 3, 1861) — Infoplease.com
     
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    Things are different now, subsistence farming is dead and now practically everyone is either an employee or an employer and labor has has never been this powerless to fight the ownership class. Capital in this country no longer strictly needs labor in this country, outsourcing has upset the symbiotic relationship that once existed, labor no longer has a lever. I can't see the political power that some claim the unions have, they are impotent compared to the forces arrayed against them.
     
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    So honest Abe was a liberal after all?
     
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    Personally, I wouldn't mind going back to that era, minus the slavery.
     
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    Yep unions are a boogie man the right drags out from under the bed to scare each other with.
    Public workers are pretty much the only unions left in the vast majroity of the USA.

    I always thought law enforcment as a union was pretty strange.

    Of course the most powerful union is Congress itself.
    Heck they get to exempt themselves from laws and give themselves raises and spend everyone elses money and have great benefits and only work about 1/3 of the year.
     
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    How does labor get hired if there's no capital?
     
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    Yes, he believed in an America for all Americans, regardless of station of life.
     
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    It was the labor movement that helped secure so much of what we take for granted today. The 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, family leave, health insurance, Social Security, Medicare, retirement plans. The cornerstones of the middle-class security all bear the union label.

    Barack Obama
     
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    Of course people LABORED before capital existed.

    All human wealth is created by some person's labor.

    Even a lump of pure gold lying on the ground has NO WORTH until a human hand picks it up.
     
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