l Qaeda chose September 11 to attack based on Koran verse 9:111

[K9Buck]

I was not previously aware of that claim or of the verse but it does make sense. Thanks to Ria_Longhorn for the enlightenment. I searched for the verse. Here it is:

Sahih International: Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah ? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

 

[protectionist]

I don't know if there is a connection between this Koran verse and 9/11, but the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

A few other examples are Koran 8:12.......9:5...........9:123

 

[edthecynic]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

 

[Muhammed]

9/11 is the anniversary of the Muslims getting their asses handed to them in Malta and Zenta.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Gee and I thought all these years that date was chosen because 911 equals emergency

 

[irosie91]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

 

[edthecynic]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

 

[irosie91]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

that one is a directive -----Samuel. The stuff from Isaiah is not There is no
word in Hebrew that translates into "is" or "shall"-----I have no idea why you
are PICKING words that some translator wrote

 

[edthecynic]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

that one is a directive -----Samuel. The stuff from Isaiah is not There is no
word in Hebrew that translates into "is" or "shall"-----I have no idea why you
are PICKING words that some translator wrote

Shall
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-c98329dcc466b82091cb5003c6863b3c4a76248b.html
Is
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-b47f363e2b430c0647f14deea3eced9b0ef300ce.html

 

[irosie91]

the Koran is filled cover to cover, with verses advocating (if not commanding) Muslims to kill non-Muslims.

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

that one is a directive -----Samuel. The stuff from Isaiah is not There is no
word in Hebrew that translates into "is" or "shall"-----I have no idea why you
are PICKING words that some translator wrote

Shall
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-c98329dcc466b82091cb5003c6863b3c4a76248b.html
Is
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-b47f363e2b430c0647f14deea3eced9b0ef300ce.html

you made no point-----the words of Elijah are a PREDICTION---not a directive---
The words of Samuel are a directive that refer to the AMALEKITES only---
You are struggling to INTERPRET a translation which is only an approximation
of the original text In the Hebrew language----there are specific ways to express
an IMPERATIVE that differ from the expression of "future". I had an interesting
discussion with my son-------who insisted that there are jews in the world who would KILL an Amalekite if one showed up.. Amalekite is a non-extant nation.
Their claim to fame was the religious sacrifice of infants and the word is used
generically to describe an utterly evil and perverse people---with no chance of
recovery--------it does not describe any people today except in a curse-----some people called your hero Adolf "AMALEKITE" as a kind of curse

 

[edthecynic]

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

that one is a directive -----Samuel. The stuff from Isaiah is not There is no
word in Hebrew that translates into "is" or "shall"-----I have no idea why you
are PICKING words that some translator wrote

Shall
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-c98329dcc466b82091cb5003c6863b3c4a76248b.html
Is
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-b47f363e2b430c0647f14deea3eced9b0ef300ce.html

you made no point-----the words of Elijah are a PREDICTION---not a directive---
The words of Samuel are a directive that refer to the AMALEKITES only---
You are struggling to INTERPRET a translation which is only an approximation
of the original text In the Hebrew language----there are specific ways to express
an IMPERATIVE that differ from the expression of "future". I had an interesting
discussion with my son-------who insisted that there are jews in the world who would KILL an Amalekite if one showed up.. Amalekite is a non-extant nation.
Their claim to fame was the religious sacrifice of infants and the word is used
generically to describe an utterly evil and perverse people---with no chance of
recovery--------it does not describe any people today except in a curse-----some people called your hero Adolf "AMALEKITE" as a kind of curse

Your evil God did not limit his hate to just the Amalekites.
Num 31: 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

 

[irosie91]

Isaiah is a prophet making a prediction about horrible things that will or may happen in the future-----the lines that you quote are not DIRECTIVES or advocated actions. Try to grow a brain.

BULLSHIT! Notice the words "is" and "shall."
So how is this for a directive from the word of God:
1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

that one is a directive -----Samuel. The stuff from Isaiah is not There is no
word in Hebrew that translates into "is" or "shall"-----I have no idea why you
are PICKING words that some translator wrote

Shall
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-c98329dcc466b82091cb5003c6863b3c4a76248b.html
Is
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/hebrew-word-for-b47f363e2b430c0647f14deea3eced9b0ef300ce.html

you made no point-----the words of Elijah are a PREDICTION---not a directive---
The words of Samuel are a directive that refer to the AMALEKITES only---
You are struggling to INTERPRET a translation which is only an approximation
of the original text In the Hebrew language----there are specific ways to express
an IMPERATIVE that differ from the expression of "future". I had an interesting
discussion with my son-------who insisted that there are jews in the world who would KILL an Amalekite if one showed up.. Amalekite is a non-extant nation.
Their claim to fame was the religious sacrifice of infants and the word is used
generically to describe an utterly evil and perverse people---with no chance of
recovery--------it does not describe any people today except in a curse-----some people called your hero Adolf "AMALEKITE" as a kind of curse

Your evil God did not limit his hate to just the Amalekites.
Num 31: 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.

8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.

9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.

10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.

11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

you have posted the description of a war------not a general directive applicable to
all non jews thruout eternity You could read the ODDYSSEY ----if you
missed it in high school----the description of the
sack of Troy----is very similar

 

[edthecynic]

you have posted the description of a war------not a general directive applicable to
all non jews thruout eternity

Here you go, a directive to kill everyone of another religion in any city. Face it, your evil biblical God is just as evil as the God of the Koran.

De 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die...

15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

 

[protectionist]

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

"The Bible" is a falsehood deflection from truth. There are 2 Bibles. New and old testament. and they are like night and day. Show where in the CHRISTIAN Bible it advocates killing innocent people.

The Equation notion (between Christianity & Islam) is the most moronic thing anyone has ever stated in this forum. No 2 things could be more different than Islam and Christianity. Islam is hate and war. Christianity is love & peace.

 

[edthecynic]

Same with the bible, as you well know.

Is 13: 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

"The Bible" is a falsehood deflection from truth. There are 2 Bibles. New and old testament. and they are like night and day. Show where in the CHRISTIAN Bible it advocates killing innocent people.

The Equation notion (between Christianity & Islam) is the most moronic thing anyone has ever stated in this forum. No 2 things could be more different than Islam and Christianity. Islam is hate and war. Christianity is love & peace.

Pure bullshit! There are not two different Gods, OT God and NT God, and both ARE haters!

Luke 14:26 Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.

 

[protectionist]

Pure bullshit! There are not two different Gods, OT God and NT God, and both ARE haters!

Luke 14:26 Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple.

HA HA. You're an idiot. See a psychiatrist.

In Luke 14:26, Jesus is not teaching a new commandment of hating people. He is teaching about the cost of following Him. The clue is in Luke 14:33 when Jesus says >>>

“In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.”

It’s about what we must be prepared to do to follow Jesus. It’s about giving up everything, even our very lives for Him. He doesn’t say, “by doing this you will get into heaven”. Jesus clearly teaches that through faith in Him we have eternal life (John 3:16). Through His death on the cross, we have the forgiveness of sins (Romans 6:23).

However, as His followers, are we willing to place Him in first position and place the most important people in our lives in second place?

Let’s paint the scene. In Luke 14:25, large crowds were travelling with Jesus because they had se
en him healing people, feeding people and teaching people at no cost. Why not follow Jesus? You can get something for nothing. However, in this passage we see Jesus turn around to them that following him is not without cost - you have to place him before other important people in your lives. You even have to place him before yourselves.

To get his point across he uses very emotive and challenging language - you must hate everyone else. In so doing he is not saying that you do it literally but you must be prepared to put everything else second. So if your parent forbids you from following him then you must disobey them and so on.

So what is your sit ? >> you're a Muslim jihadist ?

 

[protectionist]

Islam is about hate & war. Christianity is about love & peace.

Anybody who comes in here and fruitlessly attempts to push the preposterous equation notion (Islam & Christianity), will do nothing but knock his head against the wall, resulting in nothing but a severe headache.