Krugman- nobel laureate economist, spot-on again

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
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The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.
 
The King has no clothes. If he didn't have a Nobel Prize, he would be the biggest laughingstock in the field of Economics. But people accord him some respect for that award.

For the past several years he has been preaching the "good news" that it is OK for goverments to spend irresponsibly - and if they do so and don't get the results they want, then they should spend even more irresponsibly.

There is no one outside the American Democrat party who sees this advice as anything other than gross stupidity.
 
OP, which part of that article do you think Krugman is "spot on"? See, I'm not as smart as you and Mr Krugman, so I need it spelled out for me.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
(snip)
The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.

Ah Krugman, the 1/2 Keyesian, who keeps forgetting the 2nd part of Keysian economics, that you PAY OFF the debt you accumulate in bust times during boom times. The only time we ever came close to that was under the last years of Clinton combined with a GOP congress.
 
You people are of Krugman

but sooner or later one of the liberal puppets will step forward and say, ok we cant defend what Krugman says but it does not matter because we are based in ignorance not intelligence.

Imagine how different the conservative response would be if they were asked to defend Friedman.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
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The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.

Ah Krugman, the 1/2 Keyesian, who keeps forgetting the 2nd part of Keysian economics, that you PAY OFF the debt you accumulate in bust times during boom times. The only time we ever came close to that was under the last years of Clinton combined with a GOP congress.

If you are speaking of the federal "debt," why in the world would you want to "pay it off?" That would effectively reduce the money supply in a (hopefully) growing economy. Capitalism can not operate in a contracting economy.
 
If you are speaking of the federal "debt," why in the world would you want to "pay it off?" That would effectively reduce the money supply in a (hopefully) growing economy. Capitalism can not operate in a contracting economy.

dear, you are a total illiterate which we expect from a liberal. Paying off debt would have no affect on money supply whatsoever. Want to bet $10,000

Why not start with Econ 101??
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
(snip)
The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.

Ah Krugman, the 1/2 Keyesian, who keeps forgetting the 2nd part of Keysian economics, that you PAY OFF the debt you accumulate in bust times during boom times. The only time we ever came close to that was under the last years of Clinton combined with a GOP congress.

If you are speaking of the federal "debt," why in the world would you want to "pay it off?" That would effectively reduce the money supply in a (hopefully) growing economy. Capitalism can not operate in a contracting economy.
yeah Maybe economic's just is'nt your game, martybegan . I know: let's have a spelling contest.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
(snip)
The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.

Ah Krugman, the 1/2 Keyesian, who keeps forgetting the 2nd part of Keysian economics, that you PAY OFF the debt you accumulate in bust times during boom times. The only time we ever came close to that was under the last years of Clinton combined with a GOP congress.

If you are speaking of the federal "debt," why in the world would you want to "pay it off?" That would effectively reduce the money supply in a (hopefully) growing economy. Capitalism can not operate in a contracting economy.

Maybe so you are not paying a significant percentage of your operating revenue in interest????
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/paul-krugman-business-vs-economics.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
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The answer, to quote the title of a paper I published many years ago, is that a country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves.

So think of what happens when a successful businessperson looks at a troubled economy and tries to apply the lessons of business experience. He or (rarely) she sees the troubled economy as something like a troubled company, which needs to cut costs and become competitive. To create jobs, the businessperson thinks, wages must come down, expenses must be reduced; in general, belts must be tightened. And surely gimmicks like deficit spending or printing more money can’t solve what must be a fundamental problem.

In reality, however, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

Its really that simple. Took a Nobel laureate :cool-45: to point it out to you people.

Ah Krugman, the 1/2 Keyesian, who keeps forgetting the 2nd part of Keysian economics, that you PAY OFF the debt you accumulate in bust times during boom times. The only time we ever came close to that was under the last years of Clinton combined with a GOP congress.

If you are speaking of the federal "debt," why in the world would you want to "pay it off?" That would effectively reduce the money supply in a (hopefully) growing economy. Capitalism can not operate in a contracting economy.
yeah Maybe economic's just is'nt your game, martybegan . I know: let's have a spelling contest.

How about a proper quote function using contest?
 
Krugman commonly addresses claims that people never made to make his own arguments appear more intelligent.This is just another example of that. He misrepresents, then says "Aha! See?" just like his inspiration, John Maynard Keynes.

Let's look at how weak his argument actually is by cutting out that irrelevancy:

A country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves. Cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

When seen for what it really is, his argument seems much less persuasive now, doesn't it? To simplify the argument into an "X therefore Y structure", you get this:

The biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers. Very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves. Therefore, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand, whereas deficit spending and aggressive money-printing can help a lot.

Um..what? His argument is a total non sequitur--it doesn't logically follow. The first two sentences may be true, but they do not provide any logical support for his conclusion in the last sentence whatsoever.
 
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Krugman commonly addresses claims that people never made to make his own arguments appear more intelligent.This is just another example of that. He misrepresents, then says "Aha! See?" just like his inspiration, John Maynard Keynes.

Let's look at how weak his argument actually is by cutting out that irrelevancy:

A country is not a company. National economic policy, even in small countries, needs to take into account kinds of feedback that rarely matter in business life. For example, even the biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers, whereas even very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves. Cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand. Deficit spending and aggressive money-printing, on the other hand, can help a lot.

When seen for what it really is, his argument seems much less persuasive now, doesn't it? To simplify the argument into an "X therefore Y structure", you get this:

The biggest corporations sell only a small fraction of what they make to their own workers. Very small countries mostly sell goods and services to themselves. Therefore, cutting wages and spending in a depressed economy just aggravates the real problem, which is inadequate demand, whereas deficit spending and aggressive money-printing can help a lot.

Um..what? His argument is a total non sequitur--it doesn't logically follow. The first two sentences may be true, but they do not provide any logical support for his conclusion in the last sentence whatsoever.

There's a good reason why Krugman sounds like a blithering idiot, because he is
 
How many Nobel prizes in econ you have Frank1400PennAve :eusa_think: Same goes for ShackledNation :eusa_whistle: :boohoo:

Paul Krugman - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Krugman was awarded the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences (informally the Nobel Prize in Economics), the sole recipient for 2008. This prize includes an award of about $1.4 million and was given to Krugman for his work associated with New Trade Theory and the New Economic Geography.[80] In the words of the prize committee, "By having integrated economies of scale into explicit general equilibrium models, Paul Krugman has deepened our understanding of the determinants of trade and the location of economic activity.
 
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How many Nobel prizes in econ you have Frank1400PennAve :eusa_think: Same goes for ShackledNation :eusa_whistle: :boohoo:
You don't need a Nobel prize to see through Krugman's BS. But you do need a brain capable of independent thought, which--given your completely childish response--you seem to lack.:rolleyes-41:
 
How many Nobel prizes in econ you have Frank1400PennAve :eusa_think: Same goes for ShackledNation :eusa_whistle: :boohoo:
You don't need a Nobel prize to see through Krugman's BS. But you do need a brain capable of independent thought, which--given your completely childish response--you seem to lack.:rolleyes-41:
do you have anything of substance to add or are you just here to bloviate? Anything on his Prize in the field of New Trade Theory & General Equilibrium Models? :eusa_think:
 
How many Nobel prizes in econ you have Frank1400PennAve :eusa_think: Same goes for ShackledNation :eusa_whistle: :boohoo:
You don't need a Nobel prize to see through Krugman's BS. But you do need a brain capable of independent thought, which--given your completely childish response--you seem to lack.:rolleyes-41:
do you have anything of substance to add or are you just here to bloviate? Anything on his Prize in the field of New Trade Theory & General Equilibrium Models? :eusa_think:
Do I have anything of substance? How ironic considering your response to my first post contained none of it. Move along troll.
 

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